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Old 11-05-2012, 07:34 PM   #8561 (permalink)
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Squash just ended. Funny because this ECW is in Los Angeles, so it wasn't a surprise that I'm familar with the two jobbers he owned, haha.

Watched that Bourne match a few days ago. Awesome stuff. Really set the tone for what was upcoming for him in the year. Mysterio was the tops. God damn that was phenomenal. He has an underrated match on Smackdown vs McIntyre which lead into their PPV bout. iirc it was even better than the match @ TLC.
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Old 11-05-2012, 07:42 PM   #8562 (permalink)
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Shawn Michaels & Diesel vs 1-2-3 Kid & Razor Ramon, WWF Action Zone (10/30/94)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7t...?search_algo=2

Incredible match. Seriously aside from the Rockers/Orient Express tag and possibly Austin/Michaels vs Owen/Davey I don't think there's been a better tag in WWF/E since 1991. Everyone in this match puts in a hell of a shift and ensures a frantic pace with an incredible crowd marking out for everything they do.

Shawn and Diesel try to jump the faces only for it to backfire with Shawn almost being pinned inside the first minute until Diesel resuces him, and from there they work brief segments revolving around Michaels and Kid getting isolated before Razor becomes the FIP for the majority of the match, though sadly this part of the match is clipped. Michaels and especially Diesel thrive in the control segment including a couple of bossy spots where Michaels halts a potential Razor comeback with a knee to the back from the apron as well as a beautiful hot tag tease where Razor makes a desperate tag only for Diesel to distract the referee and continue the isolation. The long rumoured split between Michaels and Diesel however comes into play once again with Michaels accidentally catching Diesel with SCM and allowing for a really awesome heel in peril segment as Kid and Razor take turns beating the crap out of a defencless Michaels who pleads for Diesel to recover before he loses the match. There's a ton of really convincing nearfalls on Michaels with the crowd continually getting more and more rabid with every kickout. Finish comes when Diesel finally recovers and catches an unsuspecting Kid with a big boot and Michaels hastily makes a frantic cover.

This match is pretty much a staple of why tag team wrestling is so absorbing and scintillating. None of the 4 men are what I'd class as great workers in singles settings, but Michaels is excellent as the bumping machine who's cocky and arrogant when on the attack, Diesel is fucking inspiring as the difference maker in size and power and who constantly keeps Razor on the mat as he's isolated. Razor himself is a really effective and great FIP who really sells every bit of offence he's hit with and Kid really works the apron terrificly and is plenty of fun as the house on fire hot tag exploding with unrivalled offence which Michaels in particular struggles to contain.
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:00 PM   #8563 (permalink)
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AHHHHHHHHH a half an hour Trips promo to kick off Raw , sometimes with input by DA GOAT Flair.. Seriously, I used to mark for that shit while my friends were like "FUCK! ANOTHER HHH PROMO! FUCK RAW!" ... Me and a group of friends used to watch PPVs in 04-07ish (sometimes we still do) and I distinctly remember everybody leaving halfway through the UNF 04 and NYR 05 WHC matches because "It was obvious that the big nosed politicker was going to win again" ..... That's why I'm such a Trips fan, I loved rooting against all of my friends. Wrestlemania XXII was the worst, Hunter kicks out of the FU and I mark out like crazyyyy, knocking out the power cord by accident. When we get the cord plugged back in, Trips is tapping to the STFU... I didn't go to school the next day...


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WrestleMania 22's end result = :young2

Just watched another match to support my enjoyment of HENRY SWAG. Worked a good 6 minute David vs Goliath bout with Evan Bourne. Henry's domination garnered the fans to really gear up behind Bourne. Which wasn't hard to begin with. He's a face that has always been easy for the WWE audience to gravitate towards. Awesome ending too. Fans get the ending they wanted and was an innovated way for Bourne to go back into the ring. btw, Mark Henry threw a ROUNDHOUSE KICK in this match to destroy poor Evan. It rocked.

Bourne deserves to be mentioned with the other guys who brought their A-Game to ECW in 2009. His string of matches ever since he returned have all been fun - really good.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:23 PM   #8565 (permalink)
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Rock/Austin WM 15 - ***
Rock/Austin Backlash 99 - ****1/4

Re-watched these two since I was going through the storyline so might as well watch the match. I'm not a big fan of the WM encounter. It just seemed too out of place and over the place for me, granted that's the typical nature of an AE style brawl but it wasn't really well-done imo. The run ins also effected some of my enjoyment but are logical given the nature of the storyline.

Both matches were structured similarly and followed a similar formula but Backlash, on the other hand, featured much better brawling and made good, effective use of the no holds barred stipulation which was implemented on HEAT. I liked the brawling they did around the entrance set (specifically the fence), the objects they used and a nice variation of spots they worked around the set. I thought Shane added an interesting dynamic to the match and did a good job as a heel ref. Plus, there's some entertaining spots they work around the announce table with Rock getting on the mic and the epic spot where Rock starts filming the audience and films right into Austin flipping him off and giving him the stunner. Finish was also well booked imo. Definitely a great match and the third best in the Rock/Austin series behind WM 17 and 19.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:27 PM   #8566 (permalink)
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None of the 4 men are what I'd class as great workers in singles settings.
If I may ask, why don't you consider Michaels a great worker? I'd personally put him somewhere in my top 10 or so (North American, anyway).
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Because that's pretty much the WWE machine working their magic. I won't speak for someone else as to how they feel, but generally most seem to think highly of Shawn simply because of his HOF career.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:36 PM   #8568 (permalink)
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I'd say Michaels was only a great singles wrestler from 94-97. I would probably say he was a better tag wrestler, and maybe a top 5 US tag wrestler ever.
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I'd say Michaels was only a great singles wrestler from 94-97. I would probably say he was a better tag wrestler, and maybe a top 5 US tag wrestler ever.
I'd agree that he was a better tag wrestler, but in my view his peak as a singles performer is still in the 98th percentile. If anything, I think there's a lot of very favorable mythologizing of guys who were less ubiquitous than Michaels that hurts his value in these sorts of discussions.

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Cena/Ryback vs Punk/Ziggler (RAW tonight) - 1/2*

Shit match to be honest. I expected much much more out of this match. They held back way too much. Sad, because it really felt like a sick main event when it was announced. Cena gets dominated in a really boring way, and Ryback just plows through everyone. 1/4 for the actual match, and 1/4 for Ryback pinning Punk.
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