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Old 11-05-2012, 05:12 PM   #8531 (permalink)
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Only person who I can listen to for 20 minutes is The Rock. He's always got some shit to make me stay listening. Now HHH, he takes 20 minutes where he rambles about whateverthefuck and then gets to the point at the very end. He just HAS to do it all the time.
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I'd rather stab myself in the penis than listen to Rock cut a promo. Guy was terrible. Not at the whole "keeping the crowd in the palm of his hands" shit, but actually saying works that weren't made up bollacks that would only be funny to a 5 year old (and rock fans, apparently). Didn't help that he cut the same promo for about 3 years either .
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I personally got different feelings on the whole thing but even when it took place originally (I wasn't even into wrestling), I chose not to judge him. So I could have only gotten more friendly as I became a wrestling fan and checked out his phenomenal talent.
Weren't even watching wrestling back in 2007? No wonder the knowledge of classic tag team wrestling was lost on you.
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Rockers vs Powers of Pain, WWF MSG (1/15/90)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x84...?search_algo=2

Holy shit, this only goes 10 minutes but what we get is freaking incredible and should be mandatory viewing for anyone. Rockers run some really excellent cat and mouse spots in the beginning and use their quickness and athleticism to counter-act the power of their opponents and we get some really fun 'almost got 'em' sequences before Jannetty gets a little too cute and ends up being dropped with a big powerbomb.

Jannetty's FIP spell is truly superb. He takes about 5 or 6 lunatic bumps which look disgusting and the POP are really tremendous in brutalising him with power based offence whilst also distracting the ref long enough to illegally choke Jannetty as well as have Fuji assault him with the cane. Crowd are ridiculously loud for everything going on and the hot tag to Shawn is brilliantly timed and the finishing stretch is tons of fun with the Rockers again using their agility to evade and turn the tide on their bigger adversaries. Finish sees Fuji trip Michaels coming off of the ropes and has him eat a flash pin. Really excellent sub 10 minute match with tons of nutty bumps from Jannetty, a breathtaking pace, some really intricate and entertaining Cat and Mouse sequences with the Rockers toying with the POP and some great power offence from the POP.
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Ok, I'm gonna chuck that on my list. I'm gonna watch it as soon as I finish up Finlay vs Smith right NOW.
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No, I can't say I've seen either. But, I'm willing to watch since it involves Midnight Express + Southern Style. Those via youtube or you own them? Hope I can luck out here.

Good lord. Rockers vs Brainbusters series. Often credited the first one as one of my all time favorite tag team bouts.
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Rock 'n' Roll Express & Jim Duggan v Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd, (Mid South 6/8/84)



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To the people who criticise tag team wrestling, shame on you and I hereby recommend you watch this match and kindly swallom humble pie and proceed to worship southern tag formula wrestling. This is a bloody incredible 6 man tag with one of the loudest crowds I can ever recall hearing, with an abundance of wonderful tidbits that you only get in a STF tag. Condrey and Eaton are out of this world spectacular as the Midnight Express, whether they're running the famed comedy spots where Morton proceeds to make both of them his bitch or when they're in control and resorting to every underhanded tactic to bloody and isolate Morton, its just outstanding. Morton and Duggan are both superb here as well as the babyfaces who each receive a beating and both sell their asses off in the process.

Opening is everything you want it to be. Morton playing cat and mouse with Ernie Ladd is excellent, Eaton is the perfect foil for Morton's intelligence and they run one of my favourite spots where Condrey gets dragged into the babyface corner, eats a beating and Eaton sneaks up behind Morton to cheapshot him...only to see Morton turn around and backpeddle like a weazly genius...only to then try and turn around to catch Morton off guard only to be met by a punch from an expectant Morton who knows that cheap trick all too well. Rest of the middle revolves around some really fun Duggan interactions with each of the heels, whereby his immovable frame and dominant power gets worked into some tremendously fun exchanges, particularly the spot where Ladd is unable to launch him into the turnbuckle and eventually fall victim to a double noggin also involving Condrey. Duggan then gets caught by a weapon to the throat and proceeds to eat a brief beating where the Midnight Express constantly pull the ref out of position to allow Ladd to further the assault. Anyone who just remembers Jim Duggan as an outdated catchphrase carring a 2x4 would be well advised to see how fucking well he sells and controls a crowd here, if he wasn't tagging with Ricky fucking Morton he'd have been the best babyface in the match.

However he is tagging with Ricky fucking Morton, so of course when Cornette provides a distraction allowing Morton to be launched over the ropes and onto the concrete, we then get the best part of the match where the Midnight Express run through every heel tactic to isolate and bloody Morton. Morton is hands down the best FIP in history and he's astonishingly terrific bumping all over the place from every punch and strike from the heels and pulling the crowd into everything he does, and the beating he takes is hellacious. Seriously Condrey and Eaton just constantly pull and distract the ref at every opportunity, allowing them and Cornette to double team, choke and assault Morton at every opening and them constantly taunting and provoking Gibson and Duggan into entering the ring and further distracting the ref is just fabulous heel teamwork. The Ladd and Morton exchanges continue to be stellar, with all of Ladd's power offence looking like its crushed poor Morton, and the crowd suitably respond with a mixture of shrieking and silence. Match further breaks down near the end with Morton making a desperation tag only for the Express to once again distract the ref, leading to Duggan and Gibson just fucking off the rules and kicking the crap out of the heels allowing for Morton to pin Eaton after a Cornette screwjob hilariously backfires. Post match beatdown and brawl is just amazingly chaotic, and when you put into context all the fabulous heelwork and baiting by Cornette and the Express, its just a marvellously wonderful angle built on top of an outstanding wrestling match.



The Midnight Express vs The Fantastics, (NWA 4/26/88)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6m...?search_algo=2
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6m...-fantast_sport

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Oh my fucking god, this might just be the best tag in US wrestling history, its either this or the Final Conflict 83 Steel Cage Match anyway. Good grief everything in this match just clicked on that near perfect level, the timing, the pacing, the way they worked both FIP segments, the way the match effortlessly flowed from the babyface shine period, to the Express taking control and looking a class above to the way Rogers and Fulton started to give the crowd this feeling they weren't going to be beaten and Eaton and Lane gradually growing more and more desperate and insecure with every passing second was just beautiful storytelling.

Opening babyface shine period might honestly be one of the best ever. Not only is it tremendously entertaining and effective in getting the already rabid crowd to fever pitch levels, but it lays out a clear theme and overlapping story which dominates the next portion of the match. The Fantastics are just wonderful with their continual one-uppance in every exchange and the continued story of the Express getting shown up at every opportunity and Cornette freaking out with every time they have to re-group on the floor and plan their next focus of attack was just incredible. Eaton and Lane are tremendous comedy bumpers and really go above and beyond to make every bit of offence and schtick that comes their way just feel so dynamic and crucial that the crowd never fails to lose their shit for everything. Favourite two spots were either Rogers countering a backflip by landing on his feet and just dropkicking the Express repeatedly or the spot where Fulton catches Lane trying to climb over the ropes to enter the ring and deliberately crotching him mid-entry by shifting the ropes from the opposite corner.

Eventual transition spot is effectively timed, with the Fantastics having been given a tremendous opening in which they're proven to have the champs unravelled and scared, but still unable to put them away. Actual spot is excellent in being a cheap double team spot to illegally gain control of the match so as to get extra heat, but also in putting over just how credible and resourceful the Express are in everything they do. Rogers' FIP section is really engaging and Lane and Eaton really start to look the part as the seemingly unbeatable champs, every bit of offence is just delivered with a really sleak precision in execution and you really feel like you're watching the perfect duo sensing an impending victory and finally establishing their class in this contest. They tease and build the hot tag to Fulton as a crucial avenue in turning the tide of the contest immaculately, and the resulting flurry of offence from Fulton ending with him eating a brutal bump throat first into the guardrail was just timed to perfection. Occasionally I'm not a big fan of them teasing the hot tag only to enter into a 2nd FIP section, but here it really worked as a smart swerve with the Express managing to remain one step ahead of the Fantastics at the most crucial stage, as well as setting up for the next developing theme of the match, namely the Express proving unable to put away the Fantastics.

Lane is usually regarded as generally a step or two below Bobby Eaton when it comes to tag team wrestling, but for me he really stole the show in the final portion of the match. Cornette is up to his old tricks and together the Express exploit the ref continually in order to perform a ritual mugging of poor Fulton for what feels like an eternity, but its Lane who really sells this inner vulnerability that has been building inside the Express all match. They got outwrestled for nearly 10 minutes at the start, and now that they're in control and everything is seemingly in their control...the victory just hasn't appeared and with every kickout and act of resilience from Fulton, Lane really gets noticeably pissed and agonisingly frustrated. The moment where he just yanks Fulton by the hair and lifts him 5 feet into the air just typified his anger and vulnerability and the Express then choosing to continually assault Fulton as he's defenceless in the corner and teasing the referee throwing the contest out with every kick and punch Fulton eats to the temple was riveting. Eventually however the Express' inner frustration and anger leads to their downfall with Lane getting into a war with the referee long enough for a pissed Tommy Rogers to hit a dropkick on an unsuspecting Bobby Eaton right into a cover and the 1-2-3. I could see some people wanting Rogers to get the hot tag and then go into the finishing stretch, but for me the way they worked such a convincing false finish with the referee growing concerned with every bump Rogers took, only to have the Fantastics pull a rabbit out of the hat when it seemed the match was lost was just such an awesome come-uppance for the Express as well as a true feelgood victory for the babyfaces. Better than any WWF/E tag by a considerable margin IMO.

Watch both asap. 6 man from Mid South honestly comes to mind as the best 6 man the US has ever put on, and the Midnight Express/Fantastics tag is at worse the 2nd best tag match in US history, alongside the Final Conflict 83 Steel Cage match.
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I'd rather stab myself in the penis than listen to Rock cut a promo. Guy was terrible. Not at the whole "keeping the crowd in the palm of his hands" shit, but actually saying works that weren't made up bollacks that would only be funny to a 5 year old (and rock fans, apparently). Didn't help that he cut the same promo for about 3 years either .
lol, you and your Rock hate never ceases to make me laugh.

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Weren't even watching wrestling back in 2007? No wonder the knowledge of classic tag team wrestling was lost on you.
No, I was not. Funny thing is, a friend of mine kept coming over and showing youtube videos of wrestling or playing one of the SVR games but I just showed no interest. Then fast forward to 2010 and the tables have turned. I'm becoming a wrestling fan while he's completely stopped watching.

As for the classic tag team wrestling thing... of course, I'm a bit new to this so that's why I'm watching full years currently. Will eventually make my way back in time towards the 90s as well when I'm finished with WWE's years of glory. So it's safe to say, I'm remaining a wrestling fan for a long time and the whole "it's fake" thing wont play me like it's done everyone else I know.
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I'd rather stab myself in the penis than listen to Rock cut a promo. Guy was terrible. Not at the whole "keeping the crowd in the palm of his hands" shit, but actually saying works that weren't made up bollacks that would only be funny to a 5 year old (and rock fans, apparently). Didn't help that he cut the same promo for about 3 years either .
lol wouldnt say terrible but everyone has their taste.

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Backlash 2000 . Greatest PPV event ever. Except for WM 19. My favourite for sure though.

I can agree on this. Two great ones right there.
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Better possessed by Foley, Flair, Taker, & Punk. (although I can't recall a SUPER lengthy Foley promo )


The last few Foley promos have been lengthy, haven't they? The interactions with Punk are all 10+ minutes, at least (or they seem like it).
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