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What's the best Cena/Jericho match?
Virtually all of them. I'm a huge advocate of their chemistry.

Survivor Series 2008 is their best I'd say. Great, great match. (****1/4)

Also...

Summerslam 2005 ~ ***3/4

RAW 8/22/05 ~ ***3/4

Armageddon 2008 ~ ****

RAW 2/9/09 ~ ***1/2

RAW 4/20/09 ~ ***3/4 (would have been 4 with a clean finish)


They also duked it out RAW in 2010 in what was another good match based on my memory. Take your pick. All are worth it.

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Hart/Oerfect was on the Mr. Perfect DVD.

Cena/Jericho had a fun match this year with Jericho looking a lot better he did against Punk.

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I recall Michaels' 'moonsault' to the floor which sets up the Taker suicide dive looking a little sloppy, to the point where it looked more like an inverted crossbody by the end.
TBF that crooked moonsault was fucking awesome. Michaels took a really insane bump.


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Fair enough, that's perfectly understandable. I guess maybe because I'd come to not expect such layered storytelling and 'smarter' work in the majority of Shawn's post comeback run, that maybe getting this sort of storytelling makes me appreicate it more? I dunno, but it sticks out to me as WWE nailing a better balance between overt storytelling without beating it into the viewer's heads to the point where it becomes a nuisance and detracts from the match: i.e Taker/HHH HIAC with the HHH/HBK monologue and Shawn's dire acting after the SCM-Pedigree kickout.
Taker/HHH is the worst piece of acting I've ever seen Shawn do in his life.

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The suicide dive spot really did add an extra dimension to the WM25 match, namely because Taker looked legit fucked on the landing and it wasn't clear how they were going to continue the match with him in a seemingly fragile condition. That being said, I don't think anyone expected Michaels to win at WM25 (not saying he was a favourite at 26 either, but at least the idea of a rematch may have worked a few people into thinking there was a slightly better chance), and without trying to be too harsh I do think that lessens the impact the suicide dive spot has on the match. Like, if you have the same spot at WM26, where people may be conditioned into giving Michaels a slightly better chance..then I think the drama increases a lot. Whereas with WM25 it always comes off as a spot which does admittedly add drama to the match, but the feeling that Michaels was never going to win just sort of handicaps the amount of drama it can evoke. This is probably another scenario of me and you seeing the sequence differently, although off memory once Taker sort of recuperates I don't recall him looking as 'troubled' in the finishing stretch. Admittedly post impact and for a minute or two afterwards there is a real sense of shock that he may be done, but I don't find that carries through to the end of the match (a rewatch might put this better in perspective though).
IDK how many people would have seen Shawn winning in 2010. It was pretty clear he was planning to retire soon and the 'Streak v Career' stuff kind of gave it away a lot more. I don't think he would have won in 09 though, either.

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As for the leg-work, I thought Michaels went as far as he could with it. He exploited it and worked it over and targeted it with his best submission in the hopes of securing the win, but as it became obvious Taker wouldn't submit he resorted to the SCM which had always been his trump card. I felt they made it central to Taker looking vulnerable and giving Michaels the best chance yet to end the streak, but it always felt more like a means to controlling the match rather than how Michaels would ultimately win.
Yeah the leg work is something you'd remember a lot better than I do. I'm watching both matches later today.

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Yeah and Segunda, it's very understandable if you didn't get the Michaels/Taker matches (I know you like WM26 Seg), as long as you see why other people do 'get' it.
That's it, I kinda don't get why people like it so much. I'd hate to sound like an ass at any point and I never meant to if I did, but this is one match where it doesn't seem like much is going on. It obviously doesn't bother me that people like it so much, it's just a bit of a surprise. I don't like Angle v Shane McMahon, but I get why people love it. I don't like HHH/Taker from this year, but I get why people love it. I guess 'don't get why people love it' is the wrong sentence to use, but it's kind of a surprise to me that people think Michaels/Taker is an all time great match. I kind of watch and feel "that's it?". I think HBK/Taker DESTROYS both Angle/McMahon and HHH/Taker so I don't even know why I'd think that. I guess is because both those felt bigger to me, but I don't like the work. The work in Michaels/Taker is all good, but not much of a feels big to me, or anything above "Pretty Damn Good Match". I'm not one to really have big expectations for a Mania main event so Pretty Damn Good can be satisfying, but everyone's reactions to it being an all time great match makes my opinion look like I don't even enjoy it. I'm missing something, I guess. This must be my Warrior/Savage 2.0. Like I said - watching it AGAIN today.

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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

The bump was pretty darn impressive considering Michaels' age and body at the time, but the moonsault still looked like total shit

Also, so we don't pollute the thread with a seemingly never ending debate between Taker/HBK, anyone care to give me a proper explanation as to why Dolph Ziggler is considered one of the best workers in WWE today? I mean all this talk about certain matches being better than the other got me thinking about some of the differing tastes people have in wrestlers, and the fascination with Ziggler really springs to mind.

I mean yes he's a bump machine and he's got a generally good finishing stretch in him...but honestly what else does he have? I can't tell you how often I watch a Ziggler match, especially one on PPV and get the impression I could cut out 2/3rds of the match, watch just the finishing stretch and not really miss all that much. Maybe its just because I appreciate the workers who make a story central to almost everything that goes on in the ring, but Ziggler outside of his bumping really doesn't do much at all for me. His control segments are arguably amongst the dullest on the roster and they never go anywhere, he just hits a few kicks and ground submissions and it just feels like filler before the finishing stretch. Compare him to someone like Drew Mcintyre as a heel worker, and outside of the bumping I can't fathom what Ziggler does that Mcintyre doesn't do ten times better.

More I watch Ziggler the more I think he'd be better suited to working as a face. He's got the energetic bumping to make a heel look good, and I think him working from the bottom would only be for the better because he hasn't really shown me that he can effectively control a match.

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I kinda bought it b/c Taker sort of brushed him aside. Maybe I'll think shit of it today, IDK.

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I've got Rockers/Orient Express from the 1991 Royal Rumble ready to watch tonight, am I correct in thinking that's the tag in their series which people consider to be the best?
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Cena/Jericho this year wasn't bad. Only around 5 minutes though. Too bad it didn't get more.

Angle/Shane got a mention. I dug it. Maybe only because of how inadverently brutal it became. The parts were greater than the sum, but at the end of the day it's a wildly fun brawl, imo.

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^ Lol @ that Mizark gif.

I was turned into a fan last year when he went from being a smiling jobbing giant to monster heel after being given the opportunity. Also glad his title run actually felt like a real reign rather than some stupid one week transitional reign. One of my favorite super-short matches is Benoit vs Henry from Raw in early 2004. It lasts 2 minutes but is enjoyable while it takes place. Funny thing is Benoit kayfabe injured Henry for almost two years by the Crossface. Also marked for Benoit doing the rare top rope shoulder block.

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That was a fun match, didn't remember it happening. Love their SD 06 match though, definitely one of Henry's best ever. Oh man, Benoit Vs Hall of Pain Henry would have been epic.
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That Benoit is so dangerous. (am I terrible? eh, I still loved the guy's work)

I thought you were gonna mention the 5/26/06 Benoit/Henry match where Henry demolishes Benoit.

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That Benoit is so dangerous. (am I terrible? eh, I still loved the guy's work)

I thought you were gonna mention the 5/26/06 Benoit/Henry match where Henry demolishes Benoit.
Ha, it was so random when I watched the Raw from the week after. Henry suffered a real injury within that timeframe, so to put over the next World Champion in Benoit, they replayed that footage and claimed that he put Henry out of action for a long time by the Crippler Crossface. As for the parenthesis... Nah, don't worry. Murderer or innocent, I still love the guy but as long as the joke is not some outdated "LULZ DEY WERE SUPPOSD 2 TAP!!!11" shit, I don't mind it. Hell, I have one in mind from the Raw episode where he wrestles Muhammad Hassan. Daivari says "Kill him" (actually "beat him" but both are the same word) and he's lucky Benoit didn't understand Persian... or else shit would go down.

And for the 2006 match, I have not gotten there yet. The one negative thing about that match is Benoit goes out of action for 5 months after it so Smackdown may lose some of its entertainment when I get there.
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