Hart/Oerfect was on the Mr. Perfect DVD.
Cena/Jericho had a fun match this year with Jericho looking a lot better he did against Punk.
I recall Michaels' 'moonsault' to the floor which sets up the Taker suicide dive looking a little sloppy, to the point where it looked more like an inverted crossbody by the end.
TBF that crooked moonsault was fucking awesome. Michaels took a really insane bump.
Fair enough, that's perfectly understandable. I guess maybe because I'd come to not expect such layered storytelling and 'smarter' work in the majority of Shawn's post comeback run, that maybe getting this sort of storytelling makes me appreicate it more? I dunno, but it sticks out to me as WWE nailing a better balance between overt storytelling without beating it into the viewer's heads to the point where it becomes a nuisance and detracts from the match: i.e Taker/HHH HIAC with the HHH/HBK monologue and Shawn's dire acting after the SCM-Pedigree kickout.
Taker/HHH is the worst piece of acting I've ever seen Shawn do in his life.
The suicide dive spot really did add an extra dimension to the WM25 match, namely because Taker looked legit fucked on the landing and it wasn't clear how they were going to continue the match with him in a seemingly fragile condition. That being said, I don't think anyone expected Michaels to win at WM25 (not saying he was a favourite at 26 either, but at least the idea of a rematch may have worked a few people into thinking there was a slightly better chance), and without trying to be too harsh I do think that lessens the impact the suicide dive spot has on the match. Like, if you have the same spot at WM26, where people may be conditioned into giving Michaels a slightly better chance..then I think the drama increases a lot. Whereas with WM25 it always comes off as a spot which does admittedly add drama to the match, but the feeling that Michaels was never going to win just sort of handicaps the amount of drama it can evoke. This is probably another scenario of me and you seeing the sequence differently, although off memory once Taker sort of recuperates I don't recall him looking as 'troubled' in the finishing stretch. Admittedly post impact and for a minute or two afterwards there is a real sense of shock that he may be done, but I don't find that carries through to the end of the match (a rewatch might put this better in perspective though).
IDK how many people would have seen Shawn winning in 2010. It was pretty clear he was planning to retire soon and the 'Streak v Career' stuff kind of gave it away a lot more. I don't think he would have won in 09 though, either.
As for the leg-work, I thought Michaels went as far as he could with it. He exploited it and worked it over and targeted it with his best submission in the hopes of securing the win, but as it became obvious Taker wouldn't submit he resorted to the SCM which had always been his trump card. I felt they made it central to Taker looking vulnerable and giving Michaels the best chance yet to end the streak, but it always felt more like a means to controlling the match rather than how Michaels would ultimately win.
Yeah the leg work is something you'd remember a lot better than I do. I'm watching both matches later today.
Yeah and Segunda, it's very understandable if you didn't get the Michaels/Taker matches (I know you like WM26 Seg), as long as you see why other people do 'get' it.
That's it, I kinda don't get why people like it so much. I'd hate to sound like an ass at any point and I never meant to if I did, but this is one match where it doesn't seem like much is going on. It obviously doesn't bother me that people like it so much, it's just a bit of a surprise. I don't like Angle v Shane McMahon, but I get why people love it. I don't like HHH/Taker from this year, but I get why people love it. I guess 'don't get why people love it' is the wrong sentence to use, but it's kind of a surprise to me that people think Michaels/Taker is an all time great match. I kind of watch and feel "that's it?". I think HBK/Taker DESTROYS both Angle/McMahon and HHH/Taker so I don't even know why I'd think that. I guess is because both those felt bigger to me, but I don't like the work. The work in Michaels/Taker is all good, but not much of a feels big to me, or anything above "Pretty Damn Good Match". I'm not one to really have big expectations for a Mania main event so Pretty Damn Good can be satisfying, but everyone's reactions to it being an all time great match makes my opinion look like I don't even enjoy it.
I'm missing something, I guess. This must be my Warrior/Savage 2.0. Like I said - watching it AGAIN today.