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My opinion of 2011 Henry changed. I still feel the same way about pre-2011 Henry for the most part.
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Fair enough. I like MARK. He's had a good run in the company since 2008 - current, imo.
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Now this is a weird one but I'm throwing it out there since there was an instance years ago when a poster (I think it was here) claimed Mark Henry was a better worker than Shawn Michaels - What are Mark Henry's best matches?
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I've liked him during certain periods of time, but he was just never consistent enough for me to really become a fan until his awesome run last year. He has some good shit in 06... but also had some shit in 06. 07 was the year of the Silverback was it not? Urgh. I just remember him bearhugging the life out of me just watching him. 08 in ECW he had some good stuff. Don't really remember most of his 09 or '10, but he was babyface and not doing much anyway right? Saw him against Orton live on Raw in 09. Wasn't very good.
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Watching Shawn Michaels vs Edge street fight from 28/2/2005 Raw. Midway through it and I couldn't help but notice that security guy RUNNING towards the front row sign that said "Fuck the FCC" to take it away.

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Final thoughts... a very good back and forth street fight with them using numerous weapons and they also get enough time to make it work. In a regular wrestling match, their chemistry wasn't all that but here they are let loose with weapons and an "all over the place" fight that puts an end to their feud so Edge moves on to the MITB match and HBK starts his Kurt Angle feud. Still, that fan sign took my attention, lol. Then a guy that was sitting there (probably the one with the sign) got ejected a few minutes after.
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Henry's Run in 2011-2012 up to his injury was so incredible. Best monster heel run the WWE has had in years. Henry's character work as a dominant heel is brilliant.

Punk vs. Henry the raw after Wrestlemania is a perfect 10 minute match. I literally see nothing wrong with it, from henry's incredible heel character just destroying punk's back and midsection, to punk's selling and incredible babyface performance, to the hottest crowd in recent memory popping for seemingly every move, to a perfect finish making punk and henry look incredible. Easy **** match.

Henry had a fantastic catalogue of matches during his heel run, NOC with orton, Summerslam with Sheamus, Steel Cage with Bryan, etc. Best monster heel title reign in a long time.
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Now this is a weird one but I'm throwing it out there since there was an instance years ago when a poster (I think it was here) claimed Mark Henry was a better worker than Shawn Michaels - What are Mark Henry's best matches?
I'm a bit too drunk atm so that means I'm too lazy took look in my books for dates, but I know one that I recall being awesome:

JeriShow vs Mark Henry & MVP ~ RAW 9/28/09

> the tag from Breaking Point.

Plus his matches vs Matt Hardy sans Summerslam 2008. Night of Champions 2008 vs Kane & Show was fun because it was like watching a real life version of the game Rampage. vs Finlay in 2008 gave us some nice hard hitting affairs in 2008. Obviously vs Punk 4/2/12 gets listed and vs Danielson in the CAGE is great too. The beauty of Mark imo is that he's such a good monster that even his short squashes are worth a watch. I've really grown to be quite the fan of his.

I know it's a longshot, but maybe even some of his attitude era matches could have some fun qualities to them. I should go back and look. Sexual Chocolate. Oh man.

(I should be able to add a bit more, but those are the ones to fly off the top of my head)

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Watching Shawn Michaels vs Edge street fight from 28/2/2005 Raw. Midway through it and I couldn't help but notice that security guy RUNNING towards the front row sign that said "Fuck the FCC" to take it away.

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Final thoughts... a very good back and forth street fight with them using numerous weapons and they also get enough time to make it work. In a regular wrestling match, their chemistry wasn't all that but here they are let loose with weapons and an "all over the place" fight that puts an end to their feud so Edge moves on to the MITB match and HBK starts his Kurt Angle feud. Still, that fan sign took my attention, lol. Then a guy that was sitting there (probably the one with the sign) got ejected a few minutes after.
Great match. ****.

Never noticed the sign part. Maybe because I own the match via Edge's Decade of Decadence DVD and it may be removed.

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Henry's Run in 2011-2012 up to his injury was so incredible. Best monster heel run the WWE has had in years. Henry's character work as a dominant heel is brilliant.

Punk vs. Henry the raw after Wrestlemania is a perfect 10 minute match. I literally see nothing wrong with it, from henry's incredible heel character just destroying punk's back and midsection, to punk's selling and incredible babyface performance, to the hottest crowd in recent memory popping for seemingly every move, to a perfect finish making punk and henry look incredible. Easy **** match.

Henry had a fantastic catalogue of matches during his heel run, NOC with orton, Summerslam with Sheamus, Steel Cage with Bryan, etc. Best monster heel title reign in a long time.


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"If you saw me on the street you would not look at me cross because you know I would break your face" - He's so epic in 2011.
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Tag Team wrestling motherfuckers..


Rock 'n' Roll Express & Jim Duggan v Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd, (Mid South 6/8/84)



To the people who criticise tag team wrestling, shame on you and I hereby recommend you watch this match and kindly swallom humble pie and proceed to worship southern tag formula wrestling. This is a bloody incredible 6 man tag with one of the loudest crowds I can ever recall hearing, with an abundance of wonderful tidbits that you only get in a STF tag. Condrey and Eaton are out of this world spectacular as the Midnight Express, whether they're running the famed comedy spots where Morton proceeds to make both of them his bitch or when they're in control and resorting to every underhanded tactic to bloody and isolate Morton, its just outstanding. Morton and Duggan are both superb here as well as the babyfaces who each receive a beating and both sell their asses off in the process.

Opening is everything you want it to be. Morton playing cat and mouse with Ernie Ladd is excellent, Eaton is the perfect foil for Morton's intelligence and they run one of my favourite spots where Condrey gets dragged into the babyface corner, eats a beating and Eaton sneaks up behind Morton to cheapshot him...only to see Morton turn around and backpeddle like a weazly genius...only to then try and turn around to catch Morton off guard only to be met by a punch from an expectant Morton who knows that cheap trick all too well. Rest of the middle revolves around some really fun Duggan interactions with each of the heels, whereby his immovable frame and dominant power gets worked into some tremendously fun exchanges, particularly the spot where Ladd is unable to launch him into the turnbuckle and eventually fall victim to a double noggin also involving Condrey. Duggan then gets caught by a weapon to the throat and proceeds to eat a brief beating where the Midnight Express constantly pull the ref out of position to allow Ladd to further the assault. Anyone who just remembers Jim Duggan as an outdated catchphrase carring a 2x4 would be well advised to see how fucking well he sells and controls a crowd here, if he wasn't tagging with Ricky fucking Morton he'd have been the best babyface in the match.

However he is tagging with Ricky fucking Morton, so of course when Cornette provides a distraction allowing Morton to be launched over the ropes and onto the concrete, we then get the best part of the match where the Midnight Express run through every heel tactic to isolate and bloody Morton. Morton is hands down the best FIP in history and he's astonishingly terrific bumping all over the place from every punch and strike from the heels and pulling the crowd into everything he does, and the beating he takes is hellacious. Seriously Condrey and Eaton just constantly pull and distract the ref at every opportunity, allowing them and Cornette to double team, choke and assault Morton at every opening and them constantly taunting and provoking Gibson and Duggan into entering the ring and further distracting the ref is just fabulous heel teamwork. The Ladd and Morton exchanges continue to be stellar, with all of Ladd's power offence looking like its crushed poor Morton, and the crowd suitably respond with a mixture of shrieking and silence. Match further breaks down near the end with Morton making a desperation tag only for the Express to once again distract the ref, leading to Duggan and Gibson just fucking off the rules and kicking the crap out of the heels allowing for Morton to pin Eaton after a Cornette screwjob hilariously backfires. Post match beatdown and brawl is just amazingly chaotic, and when you put into context all the fabulous heelwork and baiting by Cornette and the Express, its just a marvellously wonderful angle built on top of an outstanding wrestling match.



The Midnight Express vs The Fantastics, (NWA 4/26/88)

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Oh my fucking god, this might just be the best tag in US wrestling history, its either this or the Final Conflict 83 Steel Cage Match anyway. Good grief everything in this match just clicked on that near perfect level, the timing, the pacing, the way they worked both FIP segments, the way the match effortlessly flowed from the babyface shine period, to the Express taking control and looking a class above to the way Rogers and Fulton started to give the crowd this feeling they weren't going to be beaten and Eaton and Lane gradually growing more and more desperate and insecure with every passing second was just beautiful storytelling.

Opening babyface shine period might honestly be one of the best ever. Not only is it tremendously entertaining and effective in getting the already rabid crowd to fever pitch levels, but it lays out a clear theme and overlapping story which dominates the next portion of the match. The Fantastics are just wonderful with their continual one-uppance in every exchange and the continued story of the Express getting shown up at every opportunity and Cornette freaking out with every time they have to re-group on the floor and plan their next focus of attack was just incredible. Eaton and Lane are tremendous comedy bumpers and really go above and beyond to make every bit of offence and schtick that comes their way just feel so dynamic and crucial that the crowd never fails to lose their shit for everything. Favourite two spots were either Rogers countering a backflip by landing on his feet and just dropkicking the Express repeatedly or the spot where Fulton catches Lane trying to climb over the ropes to enter the ring and deliberately crotching him mid-entry by shifting the ropes from the opposite corner.

Eventual transition spot is effectively timed, with the Fantastics having been given a tremendous opening in which they're proven to have the champs unravelled and scared, but still unable to put them away. Actual spot is excellent in being a cheap double team spot to illegally gain control of the match so as to get extra heat, but also in putting over just how credible and resourceful the Express are in everything they do. Rogers' FIP section is really engaging and Lane and Eaton really start to look the part as the seemingly unbeatable champs, every bit of offence is just delivered with a really sleak precision in execution and you really feel like you're watching the perfect duo sensing an impending victory and finally establishing their class in this contest. They tease and build the hot tag to Fulton as a crucial avenue in turning the tide of the contest immaculately, and the resulting flurry of offence from Fulton ending with him eating a brutal bump throat first into the guardrail was just timed to perfection. Occasionally I'm not a big fan of them teasing the hot tag only to enter into a 2nd FIP section, but here it really worked as a smart swerve with the Express managing to remain one step ahead of the Fantastics at the most crucial stage, as well as setting up for the next developing theme of the match, namely the Express proving unable to put away the Fantastics.

Lane is usually regarded as generally a step or two below Bobby Eaton when it comes to tag team wrestling, but for me he really stole the show in the final portion of the match. Cornette is up to his old tricks and together the Express exploit the ref continually in order to perform a ritual mugging of poor Fulton for what feels like an eternity, but its Lane who really sells this inner vulnerability that has been building inside the Express all match. They got outwrestled for nearly 10 minutes at the start, and now that they're in control and everything is seemingly in their control...the victory just hasn't appeared and with every kickout and act of resilience from Fulton, Lane really gets noticeably pissed and agonisingly frustrated. The moment where he just yanks Fulton by the hair and lifts him 5 feet into the air just typified his anger and vulnerability and the Express then choosing to continually assault Fulton as he's defenceless in the corner and teasing the referee throwing the contest out with every kick and punch Fulton eats to the temple was riveting. Eventually however the Express' inner frustration and anger leads to their downfall with Lane getting into a war with the referee long enough for a pissed Tommy Rogers to hit a dropkick on an unsuspecting Bobby Eaton right into a cover and the 1-2-3. I could see some people wanting Rogers to get the hot tag and then go into the finishing stretch, but for me the way they worked such a convincing false finish with the referee growing concerned with every bump Rogers took, only to have the Fantastics pull a rabbit out of the hat when it seemed the match was lost was just such an awesome come-uppance for the Express as well as a true feelgood victory for the babyfaces. Better than any WWF/E tag by a considerable margin IMO.
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Started watching the Best of Raw '09 DVD. The year may have kinda sucked but they put the right stuff on this. Wish they had the HHH home invasion on Orton and that hilarious chase scene but there's some cool stuff. Just watched the first disc and I really enjoyed HBK/Cena and Orton/MVP. Fuck, I miss MVP. The 10 man tag with Steamboat is really fun too.
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