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#16,801 ·
Triple H vs Batista series ;

Wrestlemania XXI : *** (REWATCH ONCE I GET THERE)
Backlash 2005 : *** 3/4 (DAT PEDIGREE INVOLVED IN DAT PSYCHOLOGY)
Vengeance 2005 : **** 3/4 (TOP 25 WWF/WWE MATCH EVER AND MOTY BABY!)

LOVE that series honestly. Here's a tougher question for everybody ; FAVORITE MOTY EVERY YEAR SINCE... WHENEVER ? I don't mean the BEST, I mean as a straight up favorite match, can be anything good or bad... My picks ;

1994 : Bret Hart vs Owen Hart (Wrestlemania X) : *****
1995 : Bret Hart vs Diesel (Survivor Series) : **** 3/4
1996 : Shawn Michaels vs Vader (Summerslam) : **** 1/4
1997 : The Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels (Hell in a Cell ; IYH Bad Blood) : *****
1998 : Triple H vs The Rock (Ladder ; Summerslam) : ****
1999 : Triple H vs Mankind (RAW) : **
2000 : Triple H vs Chris Jericho (Fully Loaded) : *****
2001 : Triple H vs The Undertaker (Wrestlemania X-7) : ****
2002 : The Rock vs Brock Lesnar (Summerslam) : **** 1/4
2003 : Brock Lesnar vs The Big Show (Stretcher Match ; Judgment Day) : **** 1/4
2004 : Triple H vs Eugene (Summerslam) : *** 3/4
2005 : Triple H vs Ric Flair (Last Man Standing ; Survivor Series) : **** 1/4
2006 : Triple H vs The Big Show (New Years Revolution) : ****
2007 : Degeneration X vs Rated RKO (New Years Revolution) : **** 1/4
2008 : Triple H vs Jeff Hardy (No Mercy) : **** 1/4
2009 : CM Punk vs The Undertaker (Hell in a Cell) : *** 1/2
2010 : CM Punk vs The Undertaker (Smackdown) : ****
2011 : CM Punk vs Triple H (Night of Champions) : ****
2012 : Triple H vs Brock Lesnar (Summerslam 2012) : **** 1/2

Triple H, CM Punk, & BORK For the win. Might make a top 100 favorite matches someday :brock
 
#16,802 · (Edited)
Favorite match from each year (I'll go from 1998 on):

1998: Undertaker vs. Austin Summerslam (***1/2)
1999: Undertaker vs. Rock King of the Ring (***1/2)
2000: Foley vs. HHH Royal Rumble (same as best for 2000) (*****)
2001: WWE vs. Alliance Survivor Series (****)
2002: Undertaker vs. Rock vs. Angle Vengeance (****1/2)
2003: Undertaker vs. Angle Smackdown (****1/4)
2004: Eddie Guerrero vs. Brock Lesnar No Way Out (****1/2)
2005: Team Raw vs. Team Smackdown (pretty much for commentary alone, I could watch this match a hundred times over and not be bored with it) (****)
2006: Edge vs. Foley Wrestlemania 22 (****1/4)
2007: Undertaker vs. Batista Wrestlemania 23 (Same as best for 2007) (****1/2)
2008: Undertaker vs. Edge Wrestlemania 24 (Favorite WM main event ever) (****1/4)
2009: Undertaker vs. HBK Wrestlemania 25 (Same as best for 2009) (*****)
2010: Barrett vs. Cena Hell in a Cell (Great match, Cena lost and was forced to join the Nexus, and I never get bored watching it. Had such a big-match feel to it too) (****)
2011: Punk vs. Cena MITB (Same as best) (****1/2)
2012: Punk vs. Bryan OTL (Same as best) (*****)
 
#16,804 · (Edited)
Hell in a Cell for the Cena vs Barrett match. :eek:

Bragging Rights was one of those awful Barrett vs Orton matches.
Fixed, thanks for noting that. Thought for some reason I put HIAC.

You know, since it's been brought up, which does everyone think is worse? Barrett/Orton Bragging Rights or Barrett/Orton Survivor Series. Both suck monkey balls, both are matches where there's more focus on Cena than the championship, and both ended terribly. I don't know if I can pick one above the other. Maybe SVS just for the fact it had a 1-2-3 finish, but meh... part of me wants to re-watch them to see, but I just can't bring myself to it.
 
#16,805 ·
I just watched Barrett vs Orton from Bragging Rights a week ago. Have that at 3/4*. I'd have to give Survivor Series another watch to see which I dislike more. I think it might be Survivor Series actually. When it ended after my first watch I was left saying "That was it?" Cena is fired b/c of that? Bragging Rights was bad, but it almost got a pass b/c it was the first match and it was going to continue no matter what.
 
#16,806 ·
Least favorite match from your favorite performers (fuck, I'm going overkill on the questions lately, not alot to rate since I'm doing a Mania project and keeping it TOP SECRETZ) ?

Triple H : vs Hogan @ Backlash 2000 (ugh, the dullest POS I've ever seen coupled with Hunter dropping the title to the young star who needed it most.. OH WAIT)
CM Punk : vs Morrison @ Vengeance 2007 (Think everybody knows the reason behind this)
Brock Lesnar : vs Hardcore Holly @ Royal Rumble 2004 (The Goldberg Match is hilarious)
Randy Savage : vs Hulk Hogan @ Nitro 98 I do believe ? (it's on the NWO DVD and it's the worst Savage match I've ever seen, what a fucking joke)
Ric Flair : Hmmmmm... Not sure to be honest.
Bret Hart : 99 percent of the shit he did in WCW, bar none

Can't think of a FLAIR match I don't like due to him being fucking AWESOME and entertaining in even the worst matches possible (DOOMSDAY).

GOATS GONNA GOAT :flair3
 
#16,807 ·
Taker: vs. Bossman WM15
Edge: Not sure entirely, but his match against Orton at OTL 2010 (or whatever the May PPV was that year) was a huge huge HUUUUUUUUUUGE disappointingly terrible match.
CM Punk: Again, nothing sticks out in my head as "my least favorite", but recently is probably the triple threat at Summerslam 2012.

I'll maybe put more tomorrow.
 
#16,808 ·
OMFG I forgot about Punk's match with Big Show @ Night of Champions 2010. THE WORST IIRC, haven't seen it since it aired though, might order that DVD now so I can rewatch. The Taker match with Bossman is the WOAT cell match, the WOAT Undertaker match, and legit one of the worst matches I've ever seen.

I've seen THAT FUCKING MATCH like 5 times now, and sadly I have to watch it again for my MANIA project.... I'll probably be there in like two days FFS, UGH. Seriousy, when it comes to Wrestlemania matches that go over five minutes I actually think it might be the worst, so when I do my top 29 worst matches in Wrestlemania history that'll definitely be pretty damn high (again, if it's under say.... FOUR minutes it won't count).
 
#16,810 ·
Top 29 WM Matches:

1) Bret/Austin WM13
2) Taker/HBK WM25
3) Bret/Owen WM10
4) Austin/Rock WM17
5) Taker/HBK WM26
6) HBK/Jericho WM19
7) HBK/Razor WM10
8) Taker/Batista WM23
9) HBK/Angle WM21
10) Benoit/HBK/HHH WM20
11) Austin/Rock WM19
12) Taker/Edge WM24
13) Savage/Steamboat WM3
14) Taker/Orton WM21
15) Punk/Jericho WM28
16) Hogan/Savage WM5
17) MITB WM21
18) Edge/Foley WM22
19) MITB WM24
20) Flair/Savage WM8
21) Lesnar/Angle WM19
22) HBK/Cena WM23
23) Savage/Warrior WM7
24) Flair/HBK WM24
25) Taker/Kane WM14
26) Taker/HHH WM28
27) Taker/HHH WM17
28) Eddie Guerrero/Kurt Angle WM20
29) Edge/Jericho WM26
 
#16,811 ·
Least favorite match from your favorite performers (fuck, I'm going overkill on the questions lately, not alot to rate since I'm doing a Mania project and keeping it TOP SECRETZ) ?

Triple H : vs Hogan @ Backlash 2000 (ugh, the dullest POS I've ever seen coupled with Hunter dropping the title to the young star who needed it most.. OH WAIT)
CM Punk : vs Morrison @ Vengeance 2007 (Think everybody knows the reason behind this)
Brock Lesnar : vs Hardcore Holly @ Royal Rumble 2004 (The Goldberg Match is hilarious)
Randy Savage : vs Hulk Hogan @ Nitro 98 I do believe ? (it's on the NWO DVD and it's the worst Savage match I've ever seen, what a fucking joke)
Ric Flair : Hmmmmm... Not sure to be honest.
Bret Hart : 99 percent of the shit he did in WCW, bar none

Can't think of a FLAIR match I don't like due to him being fucking AWESOME and entertaining in even the worst matches possible (DOOMSDAY).

GOATS GONNA GOAT :flair3
Flair as the "Black Scorpion" vs Sting is a dreadful match.
 
#16,812 ·
Skipped Wrestlemania VI by accident SOMEHOW and just got around to watching it today, I'm watching Hogan-Warrior right now as we speak believe it or not. Not gonna give away too much, but here were my pre project ratings for both Hogan/Savage and Hogan/Warrior ;

Hogan-Savage WM V : **** 1/4
Hogan-Warrior WM VI : **** 1/4

On a rewatch I changed my rating for Hogan-Savage and I'm expecting that to happen for Hogan-Warrior too. Always thought Hogan-Savage was one of the most brilliant carry jobs I've ever seen TBH and I've always liked it a shade more than the Warrior match, which we'll see how it holds up now.

Great list RAWK, there are a few very interesting things on there such as HBK/Jericho being high, and Taker-Orton being higher than any of the Taker-Trips Wrestlemania matches. Taker's progression as a main event superstar is going to be an interesting development once I watch Wrestlemania XIII tomorrow and... OH SHIT I GET TO WATCH AUSTIN-BRET TOMORROW. Believe it or not, I've only seen that match twice and I've had it as like my number four greatest WWF/WWE match before this list started, and the third best match in Mania history. A TON of shit has changed since then on my list so god knows where it'll clock in now :p

Does ANYBODY have that match at less than five stars ? HAS to be the universal GOAT WWF/WWE match right ?

@ CODY , Flair was so awful in that match because he couldn't break out his usual GOAT FLAIR OMGZ moves because it would obviously give away that it was him. IN MY BOOK IT WASN'T A RIC FLAIR MATCH :) :) :)

GOATS STILL GONNA GOAT :flair3
 
#16,814 ·
Cheers KOK yer I have both hogan/savage and hogan warrior around **** should both make my final 29 matches.

Bret/Austin would have to be the universal GOAT, I think I've only ever seen 1 person not have it at *****

You could say its an amazing match, but its so much more the storytelling, the double turn, the impact on the business I'm starting to convince myself it may be the GOAT
 
#16,817 ·
I've changed my STARZ on both Hogan/Savage and Hogan/Warrior. The result is quite INTERESTING to say the least.

WRESTLEMANIA XIII BEGINS WITH DOUG FURNAS AND PHIL LAFON :mark:
 
#16,819 ·
The Flair/Savage cage match is pretty ass-boring. Not the worst Flair match I guess, but one of higher profile that just wasn't any good. Goes forever, nothing really happens and then we get a 'surprise' heel turn. WCW were absolutely nutty for surprise heel turns in 1996.

I don't like a lot of 02-03 Flair either. Including the Michaels match at the PPV; they have a much, much better one at a house show that I think actually took place at MSG.
 
#16,820 ·
Top 29 WM Matches:

1) Bret/Austin WM13
2) Taker/HBK WM25
3) Bret/Owen WM10
4) Austin/Rock WM17
5) Taker/HBK WM26
6) HBK/Jericho WM19
7) HBK/Razor WM10
8) Taker/Batista WM23
9) HBK/Angle WM21
10) Benoit/HBK/HHH WM20
11) Austin/Rock WM19
12) Taker/Edge WM24
13) Savage/Steamboat WM3
14) Taker/Orton WM21
15) Punk/Jericho WM28
16) Hogan/Savage WM5
17) MITB WM21
18) Edge/Foley WM22
19) MITB WM24
20) Flair/Savage WM8
21) Lesnar/Angle WM19
22) HBK/Cena WM23
23) Savage/Warrior WM7
24) Flair/HBK WM24
25) Taker/Kane WM14
26) Taker/HHH WM28
27) Taker/HHH WM17
28) Eddie Guerrero/Kurt Angle WM20
29) Edge/Jericho WM26
Since I'm far too lazy to make a list of my own, let me just say some things I'd change on your list, as a way to customize (remember, I'm lazy).

First is I'm bumping HHH/HBK/Benoit to the #1 spot. I love Hart/Austin, I really do, best moment in wrestling history to me as a fan, when Austin is riving and the blood is falling down his face, dripping off his nose. It's a brilliant match, but the question I ask myself is: Which match is a funner watch? Which match I enjoy more, keeps me more entertained? That triple threat has everything, unpredictable anything can happen finish, great submissions, sweet chins, I've seen it a million time, and everytime I watch it, it's completely riveting. It's fresh. It's new somehow. And when I rewatch the HBK/Taker matches, I just don't get that same feeling. At all. When I rewatch Austin/Hart, I'm bored with the work in the crowd and I'm just waiting for my moment, noticing it's weaknesses in the quality of the picture (seeing how it was from Mania 13). It just felt old. And I realize that this maybe a completely subjective thing, but those lines have been blurred for a long time kid.

I like the fact that Savage/Steamboat didn't make the top 10. Hell, on my list, it might not make the top 20. And say what you want, this is the Stairway to Heaven of pro wrestling. It's automatically billed as the best match/song ever, and if you don't think so, then automatically there's something wrong. It's idolized and put on a pedestal and almost seems to represent something other than a match. I understand that it was Wrestlemania 3, a number that we are about to TRIPLE (this match is old) it has a completely different pace. This is what I'm talking about when a few weeks ago I mentioned the significance of "Era's" in WWE. This is a match of a different era, where Randy Savage would jump off the top rope every night and people thought he was Jeff Hardy. It's a different product. What might have been 'catch-as-catch-can' back then isn't the same. It's a fine match, really, even if overrated. It really needs a context.

I love the love you give to Orton/Taker. One of my favorites from the Streak- probably the match that was most likely to see the Undertaker lose. It made the most sense here to give a completely mortal, now humble streak away to a rising young star, give him a lot of moment, pretty much do what "The Streak" was designed to do: Put over another worker. Except since it's Taker it's better off he just puts himself over. Which is fine. In fact, it's the way it should be. But it's just a really cool match.

Also like the respect given to HBK/Jericho.

Would definitely bump UP Lesnar/Angle. I'm a really, really big fan of Mania 19. Probably helps that I'm in Puget Sound.
 
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