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I've been looking for a torrent to no avail. I requested it in media once but no one had it.

The PPV as a whole isn't great but I really enjoyed the Rumble match itself. Rey puts on one heck of a performance. And agreed with you there.

Agreed. That's why I really hate the HIAC PPV concept, same with TLC. The matches that have no business being in that gimmick always get it. Although I love the idea of Mark Henry in a HIAC in a heated feud. I vaguely recall that Sheamus/Orton match but I'll have to give it a watch. I miss the Sheamus of the Summer of '11. He OWNED for those couple months in the Orton/Christian feud.

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then I guess whatever I find on youtube/dailymotion will have to suffice for now. I'll try going in order as best I can. They should have the noteworthy matches. I hope. If they don't have the Boogeyman matches, well, I think I can cope.

I think the PPV has a taint for me since I was so close to having Orton win the Rumble only for Rey to win. I was crushed. Then 20 minutes later Cena won the WWE Championship and I felt better. Oh and Gregory Helms won the cruiserweight championship too. Then Undertaker came out and blew up the ring. Wait, I think I love this PPV now

I'm much more content with TLC than I am Hell in a Cell. I think TLC has worked out for the years that it's been around. Not much build needed for gimmicks like Tables & Chairs. Take a feud and up them with those. Works for me. Ladders and TLC have been given fair matches too:

TLC - DX vs JeriShow, Edge vs Kane vs Mysterio vs Del Rio, & Punk vs Miz vs Del Rio
Ladder - Christian vs Shelton, Dolph vs Swagger vs Kofi, Sheamus vs Morrison, & HHH/Nash.

Ok, HHH/Nash was a bad choice. lmao. But, Hell in a Cell is meh. The first year all 3 did honestly make sense. Taker was pissed at the screwjob so he wanted Punk in the match that is associated with him. Cena vs Orton was in that fever pitch so it got put in there. DX vs Legacy was the feud ender. So they all clicked. 2010 it really should have only been Undertaker vs Kane, but the irony was Sheamus vs Orton blew it away and then some. 2011 didn't need either to be HIAC matches and this year I guess worked because it added to the "drama" that Punk would lose to the undefeated Ryback with nowhere to run.

It holds up. I dig it. Well, I've been a big Sheamus fan since day one (which means FCW stuff, haha) so I've been happy with the majority of his WWE run. I marked when he turned face in 2011 though. Liked seeing how easily the fans gravitated towards him. He already got pops even as a heel. Seemed to come naturally with the transition.
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then I guess whatever I find on youtube/dailymotion will have to suffice for now. I'll try going in order as best I can. They should have the noteworthy matches. I hope. If they don't have the Boogeyman matches, well, I think I can cope.

I think the PPV has a taint for me since I was so close to having Orton win the Rumble only for Rey to win. I was crushed. Then 20 minutes later Cena won the WWE Championship and I felt better. Oh and Gregory Helms won the cruiserweight championship too. Then Undertaker came out and blew up the ring. Wait, I think I love this PPV now

I'm much more content with TLC than I am Hell in a Cell. I think TLC has worked out for the years that it's been around. Not much build needed for gimmicks like Tables & Chairs. Take a feud and up them with those. Works for me. Ladders and TLC have been given fair matches too:

TLC - DX vs JeriShow, Edge vs Kane vs Mysterio vs Del Rio, & Punk vs Miz vs Del Rio
Ladder - Christian vs Shelton, Dolph vs Swagger vs Kofi, Sheamus vs Morrison, & HHH/Nash.

Ok, HHH/Nash was a bad choice. lmao. But, Hell in a Cell is meh. The first year all 3 did honestly make sense. Taker was pissed at the screwjob so he wanted Punk in the match that is associated with him. Cena vs Orton was in that fever pitch so it got put in there. DX vs Legacy was the feud ender. So they all clicked. 2010 it really should have only been Undertaker vs Kane, but the irony was Sheamus vs Orton blew it away and then some. 2011 didn't need either to be HIAC matches and this year I guess worked because it added to the "drama" that Punk would lose to the undefeated Ryback with nowhere to run.

It holds up. I dig it. Well, I've been a big Sheamus fan since day one (which means FCW stuff, haha) so I've been happy with the majority of his WWE run. I marked when he turned face in 2011 though. Liked seeing how easily the fans gravitated towards him. He already got pops even as a heel. Seemed to come naturally with the transition.
Start with this match. I loved the fifteen minutes of fame gimmick and this match kinda owned.



I was disappointed too when Orton lost, he was my favorite wrestler at the time. Didn't like how the Rumble was mid show either, but it made sense considering the ending.

That's true, TLC has had some good stuff, I'd just like them to have the freedom to choose whenever they want to do one, rather than wait. Morrison/Sheamus OWNS. But I agree and enjoy all of those TLC/ladder matches to at least some degree other than Trips/Nash haha. I'll agree HIAC started off with the right intention. Still mark for Cody/Ted main eventing a PPV and actually looking pretty dominant. Isn't as good as the Breaking Point match, which I love, but I liked it. But god, Taker/Kane was a huge letdown. And then '11 just didn't make any sense. The only reason that 3 way was in a cell was for the Miz/Truth ending. And this year...meh. Haha.

I remember being absolutely shocked when Sheamus just jumped right onto Raw and won the title. So out of nowhere. But it ended up being pretty good. I haven't liked him too much this year as a character but his ring work has been pretty good. I've never seen his FCW stuff but I've read he had matches against Gabriel so I should check it out.
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OMG I got to watch that right NOW. Best matches of Shannon Moore's WWE career were the tags w/Yang vs Morrison & Miz.

I know right? They shoved it in the middle of the show only so Undertaker could return and destroy the ring. Hilarious. I knew there had to be a reason why Angle/Henry main event over both Rumble & Cena/Edge.

I fully understand that. Hell in a Cell only happened at WrestleMania this year because it was Taker vs HHH. It won't happen any other time of the year unless at the namesake PPV. TLC has a bit more freedom. Tables matches happen sporadically it seems. Ladders usually occur at Extreme Rules. But, that event has the TLC matches themselves lockdown.

See, it was AWESOME that Legacy got to main event the event, but that match simply left a sour taste in my mouth. Maybe I have to rewatch it to really see if it still does, but I wasn't happy. Breaking Point is a different story. Oh that one was fun. And Legacy won. Triple H got ko'ed by an ICE CHEST & Kevin Steen was seen in the crowd while they were brawling. Superb!

lol @ Undertaker vs Kane. Perhaps the second most meaningful HIAC via storyline and it ended up being SO weak. Hated that WWF 1995 type finish too. wtf?

I won a bet thanks to Sheamus winning. I said he'll beat Cena clean, which he did, and I got 2 Monday Night Nitro's from 1999 & 5 WCW Saturday Night's from 1995. I MARKED. But, yeah, I guess it was a longshot and he got it done. I was so happy though. Solely because I couldn't believe Sheamus did get the Championship. His character this year has worked for me. Simply a face who'll get serious when he needs to be. I know this place sure turned on him. Meh. I'm still a fan. His White Noise to Big Show on RAW made my brain explode. SHEAMUS. FCW stuff is fun much like other things from the rest of the promotion. I'm sure you'll get a kick out it.
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OMG I got to watch that right NOW. Best matches of Shannon Moore's WWE career were the tags w/Yang vs Morrison & Miz.

I know right? They shoved it in the middle of the show only so Undertaker could return and destroy the ring. Hilarious. I knew there had to be a reason why Angle/Henry main event over both Rumble & Cena/Edge.

I fully understand that. Hell in a Cell only happened at WrestleMania this year because it was Taker vs HHH. It won't happen any other time of the year unless at the namesake PPV. TLC has a bit more freedom. Tables matches happen sporadically it seems. Ladders usually occur at Extreme Rules. But, that event has the TLC matches themselves lockdown.

See, it was AWESOME that Legacy got to main event the event, but that match simply left a sour taste in my mouth. Maybe I have to rewatch it to really see if it still does, but I wasn't happy. Breaking Point is a different story. Oh that one was fun. And Legacy won. Triple H got ko'ed by an ICE CHEST & Kevin Steen was seen in the crowd while they were brawling. Superb!

lol @ Undertaker vs Kane. Perhaps the second most meaningful HIAC via storyline and it ended up being SO weak. Hated that WWF 1995 type finish too. wtf?

I won a bet thanks to Sheamus winning. I said he'll beat Cena clean, which he did, and I got 2 Monday Night Nitro's from 1999 & 5 WCW Saturday Night's from 1995. I MARKED. But, yeah, I guess it was a longshot and he got it done. I was so happy though. Solely because I couldn't believe Sheamus did get the Championship. His character this year has worked for me. Simply a face who'll get serious when he needs to be. I know this place sure turned on him. Meh. I'm still a fan. His White Noise to Big Show on RAW made my brain explode. SHEAMUS. FCW stuff is fun much like other things from the rest of the promotion. I'm sure you'll get a kick out it.
Completely agreed. Makes me miss the CW division in '06 with Helms, Crazy, Kash, Psichosis, Yang, London, Kendrick, etc. So many fun matches and Helms really owned that year. Miz and Morrison really grew on me in '07/'08 with stuff like that. Just really entertaining matches with what they were given, regardless.

I loved the divide/conquer strategy used by Legacy during that whole feud. I guess it made some sense for Trips and HBK to overcome it in the end but I would've marked like a little girl if Legacy won the HIAC. And I still don't understand how they screwed up Taker/Kane HIAC. So much significance behind all of that and they even brought back Bearer and then THAT happened. That fucking ending.

That's awesome. I probably would've taken that bet in Cena's favor. Something that shocking is pretty beneficial though. I see where you're coming from with Sheamus. I wish his feud with Henry got more of a payoff as I really liked the Summerslam match. I can still really enjoy Sheamus' matches, but his feuds have turned me off since the Sheamus/Bryan one. I just couldn't get into Del Rio/Sheamus one bit, even when they tried to intensify it.
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It's too bad Helms didn't get his match at WrestleMania via breaking his nose on a tour. Damn the possibility of owning it up there was high. Morrison & Miz won over so many people during their run together. Became a random duo that meshed so well with each other. I miss Morrison. Guess he lost his spark though.

I went in expecting a full scare war inside the Cell. Like Breaking Point, but confined. It was the complete opposite of what, I guess, I wanted and ended up disliking it. I'll borrow it from my brother the next time I see him and I'll give that match and show the proper review needed. Plus I loved Morrison/Dolph & Jerishow vs Batista/Mysterio so seeing those again is gonna rule. Enough said on Undertaker vs Kane. I mean, what happens in that match that's significant? lolz.

Best bet result I ever got. Hands down. I'm sure the majority were in favor of Cena in that match. I probably was crazy for picking Sheamus/Cena losing clean being the result. He did it though. It worked out in the end. I'm glad that he's one of the guys who works the hardest matches now. When he first debuted all he was doing were squash matches till about Feburary. Pardon his PPV matches. Yeah the program vs Sheamus fizzled out quick since they had Henry go into winning the World Championship vs Orton. They pretty much used that to just get Sheamus to face. Oh I don't blame you. I didn't care for the Sheamus vs Del Rio program either. Only seen one of their PPV matches, MITB. I liked it. Couldn't care less about the program however. How many times did Del Rio have to job to him? Seemed very pointless. His program vs Show restored my faith in things though. I was digging it. After what I've heard on it, the match apparently owned too. Good to know something I cared about was worth it this time around.
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To expand on what KoK said earlier:

Most Overrated, underrated, and favorite (not GOAT) match of all time?

Overrated: Mankind/Taker HIAC, pretty easy to pick here
Underrated: To be honest, I have no idea. There's not one match that I can think of that doesn't get it's credit here.
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The BORK doc was fairly disappointing. Its kinda kayfabe and it basically just goes through Brocks rise through the WWE but there isn't any real insight shown and the stars they got for the dvd were really lackluster for a guy as big as brock. I mean Helms and a few refs/agents ? meh. HEYMAN once again looks like one of the smartest people in the business , that along with a decent match listing saved this doc. Wouldn't really recommend and its definately bottom half of the WWE docs.

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Is there any reason why the Lesnar DVD has the same cover and name as the one from 2003? Is it just a re-release?
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Yeah it basically is with some extra matches and some clips from the interview he did for that ER hype video.

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