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Old 04-04-2012, 09:39 PM   #831 (permalink)
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Not sure how I feel about Rock/Cena. I was distracted while watching so gonna give it another viewing. The atmosphere was fantastic but some of the in-ring work was horrible. Cena's bear hug in particular was pathetic. The gap between his body and Rock's was clear as day.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:54 PM   #832 (permalink)
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I absolutely fucking ADORE Shawn's first title reign in 96. I haven't given it much thought of course, but I believe that his particular reign at that time was the best WWF/WWE title reign since the Hogan/Golden Age Era, match quality wise. I really can't think of a better one.

Here is a list of his PPV title matches/defences w/o star ratings:

WM 12 Ironman: Meh
IYH 7 vs Diesel: LOVE LOVE LOVE.... Nash's best match IMO.
KOTR 96 vs Bulldog: LOVE.
SS 96 vs Vader: I fucking ADORE this match
Mind Games vs Mankind: One of my all-time favorites...Amazing match
SS 96 vs Sid: Sid's best match, a personal favorite that I mark out to. AMAZING.

Plus, he had numerous TV matches with the likes of HHH, Owen, Goldust, Yokozuna, Marty Jannety, and STEVE AUSTIN, amongst others. Can anybody name a title reign POST-Backlund that rivals Shawn's in match quality?
Yeah, it was a hell of a run. Watched the "1996 yearbook" that was put together (all 120+ hours of it- I've NEVER done that), and I didn't think Michaels' reign would hold up THAT well. It did. I'd say he had one match that wasn't really good, and that was the first match with Bulldog, but the rest ranged from fun tv match to match of the year contender. Some really took me by surprise- the February In Your House match with Owen was really fucking good. Mind Games is still Shawn's best match to me and at least a top 5 in the company's history. Probably higher if the finish wasn't so bad.

Not sure where I'd rank it for best title reigns, but I'm thinking Austin's 2001 is definitely better. I fully don't think he had a match as good as Mind Games that year, though.


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Not sure how I feel about Rock/Cena. I was distracted while watching so gonna give it another viewing. The atmosphere was fantastic but some of the in-ring work was horrible. Cena's bear hug in particular was pathetic. The gap between his body and Rock's was clear as day.
Cena's bearhug was pretty smelly, but TBF it looked better than Rock's sharpshooter, or even his headlock at the beginning.
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I enjoyed the HIAC more after watching it again today, but by god Michaels was horrendous throughout it all. Since he initially came back in 2002 he's been a HORRIBLE actor and he got worse as the years went by. He was so cheesy on Sunday and made it completely unbelievable. If you think that was good acting then I don't know what to say.

Apart from that, the match was great. The sweet chin music into the pedigree made me almost wet my pants. I thought it was all over.
Was reading the last few pages, & decided to stop when people started saying my "opinions are terrible". When you start posting your opinions of my opinions, you've lost the plot.

That said, there was one person who was worse than the others in that overrated (by some) match, but it was not HBK. If anything, I have enjoyed him more since he retired. The one whose career should be over is the one who also should end their "Streak".
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Watched WrestleMania twice: once live and once on my computer.

Ratings:
Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus: DUD
Kane vs. Randy Orton: **3/4
Big Show vs. Cody Rhodes: *1/2
Divas: N/A
Undertaker vs. Triple H: ****1/2
Team Teddy vs. Team Johnny: *3/4
CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho: ****1/4
John Cena vs. The Rock: ***1/4
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I absolutely fucking ADORE Shawn's first title reign in 96. I haven't given it much thought of course, but I believe that his particular reign at that time was the best WWF/WWE title reign since the Hogan/Golden Age Era, match quality wise. I really can't think of a better one.
You know, Shawn is my all time favorite wrestler, and I've always thought of 1996 as a terrible year for the WWF as a whole. Mostly the undercard, because I've never really realized how good Shawn's reign was until reading your post and going back to re-watch a lot of it.

Certainly a lot of great talent you listed. I'm just surprised that there wasn't a single long feud for him until late 96, with Sid, that only lasted 3 months. And as you also mentioned, his matches with Goldust I thought were outstanding. (Especially on Raw, Shawn winning with a moonsault was pretty cool) Definitely could have seen that being a three month, high profile PPV feud.

Actually, any of those small feuds he had could have been full blown long term. Interesting, looking back again and seeing that my opinion of that period has drastically changed so much.
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Wrestlemania XXVIII

Daniel Bryan v Sheamus
-- You gotta be fucking kidding me. Fuck anyone who says Bryan losing the title this way makes sense because of how he won the belt and the way he's acted since. That does make sense but fuck you anyway. This was bullshit. Not only did they make Bryan look like a joke but they deprived Sheamus of the moment he could've had after winning a hard fought match.

DUD

Kane v Randy Orton
-- Is it just me or has Kane improved since his return? I thought he looked really good against Cena at the Rumble and this was another solid display. His offense looks better, his attire looks better, and he seems to have upped his workrate a bit. Orton's much more solid and consistent than he was a few years ago as well so I wasn't surprised that this was good. Steady pace, solid action, nice finish.

**3/4

Cody Rhodes v Big Show
-- Thought this had the potential to be decent with Rhodes being a cocky douchebag and Show getting redemption but it fell flat for me. Cody's control segment was meh, can't remember any decent nearfalls, and the crowd didn't care. Enjoyed Show swatting Cody around at times, that's about it. Thankfully they kept it short. Wouldn't call it bad, just completely forgettable.

*1/2

Divas Tag
-- What the fuck is Beth wearing down to the ring? Not gonna lie, I didn't hate this. Menounos was either in a lot of pain from her injuries or she's a better seller than a lot of the divas. She was constantly holding the rib area, even towards the end when she was going to the top rope. Speaking of top rope that move Kelly did is probably the best thing she's ever done. Those things and Eve's booty shaking made this okay.

*

The Undertaker v Triple H
-- The match I was most looking forward to and it did not disappoint. Fantastic storytelling from two consummate in-ring pros picking up right where they left off last year. The start was slow and while it wasn't all that exciting it had its purpose. Taker means business and he's not going to let Hunter play the game on his terms like he did last year. Had my fingers crossed for a blade job but Taker busting Trips open hard way was more badass. Nice callbacks to Wrestlemania 27 with the spinebuster on the steps and the Hell's Gate. Once Shawn's role as referee becomes pivotal it really kicks off and from there to the finish it's WWE drama and storytelling at its finest. They were never going to be able to come up with a false finish as compelling as HHH's Tombstone last year but damn the super kick into the Pedigree had me going. The finishing stretch is incredibly well done and to my mind just about the perfect end to the HBK/Taker/HHH Mania story arc. The main criticism I've heard for this (and their match last year) is that it's mainly chair shots and finishers. Yeah it is, but when you tell a story as well as these guys did and get me truly invested in what's happening in the ring it really doesn't matter. Another complaint is it didn't need to be HiaC because they barely used the Cell. My response to that is who fucking cares? Didn't bother me one bit. Epic stuff, just like last year.

****1/4

Team Johnny v Team Teddy
-- I think it was Yeah1993 who ragged on this and I completely agree with him. Following HHH/Taker its placement on the card was to give the fans a breather before the other big matches and that's all it was good for. Really bad.

1/2*

CM Punk v Chris Jericho
-- Excellent match. Jericho's such a good asshole and the first part of the match with him trying to get in Punk's head for the DQ win was very well done. Suplex onto the floor was a sweet transition spot into Jericho's control segment, which was also good. Punk makes the comeback and then it's pretty much a back and forth sprint to the finish with some truly awesome counters and sequences. Marked out for the Walls of Jericho counter to Punk's hurricanrana attempt. A couple moves looked a tad sloppy but overall this was top notch.

****

John Cena v The Rock
-- This was a mixed bag. Great atmosphere and at times it had elements of a good match but there was some pretty shitty stuff as well. The opening exchanges were pretty good, the last FU was a great nearfall and I liked the finish. Cena's bear hug and control segment in general kind of sucked, as did the submission attempts towards the end. Actually most of the holds in general looked pretty bad. And the double clothesline too. I guess they felt they needed to go 30 minutes for it to be epic but they could've easily shaved off some of the time and probably had a better match. Good spectacle, decent match.

***1/4
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Rewatched Triple H vs Taker... I think it was someone in here that said Shawn Michaels's performance was poor. To that person, politely GTFO Shawn was one of the best non-wrestlers in a match ever in this. If I had to slap one of those star ratings on, I'd probably go somewhere like ****1/4. Good stuff.
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HIAC with pretty much no cell work is complete BS. Why not just have another no holds barred match with HBK as ref because that is pretty much what they did.
The cell didnt need to be used, but the match was better because it was. It was a prop in a story Think about it -

- HBK / Taker is widley considered to be the best HIAC match in history.
- HHH has had an extremley succesful run when it comes to HIAC matches. As has Taker.
- HHH's record is better than Takers inside HIAC.

Just take a minute to think beyond what a HIAC match should be like, and instead think of what its history is. The psychology and story wouldnt of been half as good had it been just a no holds barred.

I'm not trying to impose anything and you're certainly entitled to your oppinion, I just think that you are someone who is certainly smart enough to distinguish the diffrence between a HIAC that serves a story and a HIAC thats a glorified hardcore match.
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I really enjoyed Wrestlemania last night one of the best thats been for years i thought and a huge improvment on last year, heres how i rated it

Wrestlemania 28
Sheamus vs Bryan - N/R
Kane vs Orton - ***1/4
Big Show vs Cody Rhodes - *1/2
Diva Tag - *1/2
Hell in a Cell, Undertaker vs HHH - *****
Team Teddy vs Team Johnny - ***
WWE Title CM Punk vs Chris Jericho - ****1/4
The Rock vs John Cena - ****1/4
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Watched Taker/Trips from WM 27, I have this at their WM 17 match both at ****1/4.

WM 27 - wasn't a lover of Taker taking 3 pedigrees and a tombstone but still kicked out, felt a little over done. I enjoyed the first 10 minutes, loved the brawling but the rest was a tired exchange of finishers.

WM 17 - just an entertaining brawl, attitude era style match, had it all even with the ref dying for 10 minutes.

Haven't seen WM28 match yet, can't see them pulling off the full 5, just don't see that extra step in them,
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