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I don't know about a Savage LIST per se, but the guy's in my top 5 ever and I can tell you this ; an underrated Savage match would definitely have to be his Falls Count Anywhere match against Crush @ Wrestlemania X. It's not for some people but I felt it was intense for it's time and included some excellent booking. The fact that we got Bret/Yoko twice at Mania when we could have had Bret/Savage still pisses me off to this day. Savage's last WWF run was awesome though, loved his YOKO match on RAW as well.

His early WCW matches against Flair and eventually DDP were awesome, loved every second of the DDP feud. I'm currently watching every single Wrestlemania back to back and I'll say this for sure ; before Shawn and Taker broke out, Savage WAS Mr. Wrestlemania for sure. vs Steamboat, vs Hogan (what a fucking carry job), vs WARRIOR, and vs FLAIR are all epic matches, with what I believe his personal best being the Wrestlemania VIII match against Flair. Guy is legit one of the greatest all around talents in history next to the likes of Flair, Funk, and Foley.
 
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I'll ask this in here since I don't wanna hear some of the bullshit fucking answers that I'd hear in the general forum ; What is your biggest all time dream match ?

For me, look no further than "The Beast" Brock Lesnar vs "The Hitman" Bret Hart. When you look at the way these two have worked throughout their respective careers and when they were at their finest, for Lesnar you have to look no further than his matches against smaller but more technical guys such as Eddie and Benoit. What made those matches so fascinating is the idea that even though Brock had the power advantage, Eddie and Benoit were REALLY in trouble due to Brock being FASTER than them as well, having to resort to intelligence to try and beat him.

Bret worked wonders with big guys, look no further than his matches against Kevin Nash in 1994 and 1995. He could sell a beating from Nash so well that it made his ultimate babyface comeback look so much more effective, and the only person who could probably match Bret with this back then was Shawn. How Bret worked with Taker in 97 could be another hint at how the match would go as well ; BROCK destroys Bret but Bret uses his intelligence to get back into this thing. FUCK how I wish this match could happen.

REALISTICALLY Brock vs Shawn would be just as awesome as well, and is probably my number one dream match that can still happen even though Shawn is retired. If they wrestled I truly feel it would be GOAT worthy, no joke. Punk-Lesnar is a personal favorite of mine that I NEED to see happen at some point though. Make Punk a face/tweener for a little bit just so this can happen WWE FFS.
Hey man, I know you love Punk. One of my dream matches has been 97-98 version of HBK vs SES CM Punk. Think about how great that feud would be. There's alot there for Punk to pick on in his promos. It would be fantastic. The matches, ha, would obviously be ridiculous.

For the past few years, I've wanted to see HBK/Punk, HBK/Bryan (student/teacher story there, obviously), and HBK/Lesnar. Obviously another big one that ALOT of people point out is HBK/Rock. But if it's this current version of The Rock, while I would still be pumped, I'd much rather the 98-03 Rock. HBK/Steamboat, too.
 
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It may not be my "ultimate" dream match, and I'd have to think about that, but a match I was always interested in seeing was Undertaker vs. Goldberg at Wrestlemania.
 
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Some random ratings. :eek:

HBK/Taker - Bad Blood '97 - *****
HBK/Taker - RR '98 - ****
HBK/Taker - WM 25 - ****1/2
HBK/Taker - WM 26 - *****

Greatest feud of all time, imo.

Punk/Jericho - WM 28 - ****1/2
Punk/Jericho - ER '12 - ****
Punk/Jericho - Raw '13 - ***3/4

Punk/Henry - 4/2/12 - ****
Punk/Henry - 4/16/12 - ***3/4

Benjamin/HBK - Raw '05 - ****1/2
 
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At present time, ultimate dream match would arguably be Lawler vs Sangre Chicana. Two of the greatest brawlers, both on offence, selling, building drama, structuring the match, taking violent and dangerous bumps at just the right time to accentuate the drama and physicality to sell the match and two infinitely charismatic men who excel as the face or rudo. Can't decide whether I'd want scummy, sleazy Chicana invading Memphis and being ran out of town by Lawler, or prick Lawler entering Monterrey and being faced with having to fight with heroic hobo Chicana or being stabbed if he dares go near the rioting crowd.

Failing that, Terry Funk vs Eddie Guerrero. Can't decide whether I'd want Eddie to be in his 2005 character and have Funk play the heroic, valiant babyface or have Funk be the batshit insane shoe throwing maniac who dear Eddie has to overcome.

Vader vs Mysterio also ranks pretty high. Namely to see Rey bump for Vader and how well they could build a believeable and heroic Mysterio comeback before Vader swats him away for good.
 
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Top 5 Dream Matches:

5. Daniel Bryan Vs Chris Benoit - Potential for one hell of a straight up wrestling matches with oodles of storytelling and shit to make me :mark:. Could make Punk/Bryan OTL (****3/4 2012 MOTY) look like shit too. That's how awesome the potential of this match had.

4. The Undertaker Vs Tenryu - 2009-Current Undertaker (I know, sounds weird, but his older, more human and somewhat "broken down" state is perfect for this match) Vs Current Tenryu. Grumpy old Japanese fuck Vs Dead and slightly grumpy old Texan fuck. Could you imagine the reaction from 'Taker if Tenryu just nonchalantly kicked him right in the face? :mark:

3. William Regal Vs Shawn Michaels - 1993 Heel Regal Vs 2002-2009 Babyface HBK. Would be a modern Regal/Steamboat. :mark:

2. Vader Vs Rey Mysterio - 04/05 Babyface Mysterio Vs 92/93 Heel Vader. God I never would have even thought of this had WOOLCOCK not mentioned it. :mark:

1. The Undertaker Vs Eddie Guerrero - Kinda torn on how I'd want this to happen. 04 Babyface Eddie Vs 02 Big Evil Undertaker could be awesome for the face/heel dynamic. Eddie as a heel imo wouldn't really work against Undertaker. 04 Babyface Eddie Vs 07 Babyface Undertaker in a big face vs face "epic" showdown at WM would probably be the other option.
 
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Vader/Mysterio makes me think of how awesome Brock/Mysterio could be.
I do love the 03 Lesnar/Mysterio match from Smackdown. Brock's a freak with some of the 100mph bumps he takes missing Mysterio and the cat and mouse dynamic is executed brilliantly. Lesnar swatting Mysterio is as violent and magical as you'd expect from 2003 Mysterio and his willingess to bump like a man who doesn't fear late year disability.

Lesnar/Bryan is my current hope with Lesnar working more dates. Just do a short program on TV with segments before one match. 10-14 minutes, Bryan ducking and taking shots, Lesnar isolation and control, Bryan bumps big, build and tease a comeback, have Bryan get strong nearfalls off of countering the Kimura/F-5 and then have Lesnar maul him and win via ref stoppage/Brock Lock with Bryan not giving up. Makes Lesnar look like a monster, Bryan looks a million bucks for taking this monster to the limit and with the right booking they could elevate him up the card over the course of a few months.

Oh fuck Cal has me thinking of Tenryu vs US opponents now. Probably need to think of one of the more sympathetic babyfaces for grumpy Tenryu to mercilessly massacre. Tenryu mid 90s when he was vicious yet just beginning to become the grumpy veteran vs peak Ricky Morton sounds exotic.

Oh shit, Takayama vs Mysterio. How the fuck did that not even register? 2005 Mysterio vs 2002-04 Takayama, it would be beautiful. If you're a masochist of course.
 
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I honestly can't decide between 97/98 drugged out HBK vs Straight Edge Society Punk (I know both are heels, but I don't give a fuck, it makes too much fucking sense) and HBK/Bryan with the teacher/student dynamic. I guess I go with the former (drugged out HBK/SES Punk). Those promos would be fucking gold.
 
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Throw in Tenryu Vs Mysterio too. Tenryu Vs Regal/Benoit/Finlay for viciousness. Fuck, Tenryu Vs like, 99% of US wrestlers would be amazing. TENRYU :mark:

I wanna go back and watch some Lesnar TV matches from 02/03. *grabs 02/03 SD discs*
Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Tajiri
Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Finlay
Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Rey Mysterio

Shinya Hashimoto vs Jerry Lawler
Shinya Hashimoto vs Eddie Guerrero
Shinya Hashimoto vs Bryan Danielson
Shinya Hashimoto vs Brian Pillman
Shinya Hashimoto vs Dustin Rhodes

Genichiro Tenryu vs Terry Funk
Genichiro Tenryu vs Jerry Lawler
Genichiro Tenryu vs Barry Windham

Stan Hansen vs John Cena
Stan Hansen vs Rey Mysterio
Stan Hansen vs Dick Murdoch
Stan Hansen vs Dustin Rhodes

Jushin Liger vs Ric Flair
Jushin Liger vs William Regal
Jushin Liger vs Jerry Lawler

Dick Murdoch vs Eddie Guerrero
Bob Backlund vs Toshiaki Kawada
Volk Han vs Steve Grey
Marty Jones vs William Regal
El Hijo Del Santo vs Jushin Liger

Last 5 are just random match ups. Liger vs Santo in a bloody brawl = :mark:
 
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Mark Henry Vs Brock Lesnar - SD 01/08/2002

The Next Big Thing, BROOOOOOCCCKKKK LESSSSSSSNAAAR Vs The World's Strongest Man Mark Henry. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Henry is fresh off his win at the first Arnold Strongman contest (which btw, I'm 99% positive was a fix so Henry could win and WWE would promote the shit out of it to help it get off the ground), and Lesnar is still the young, impressively powerful rookie looking to dominate anyone.

I'd LOVE to see this happen today. Hall of Pain Henry Vs MMA Lesnar. Fuck.

But 2002 version was still a ton of fucking fun. Henry is the only guy up to this point that can stand toe to toe with Lesnar and even be the STRONGER of the two, but Lesnar has the amateur wrestling background and is super fast, so he can use his power in a different way to take down Henry.

Holy shit, delayed vertical suplex on Lesnar! Awesome to see someone be able to manhandle Lesnar, and it makes it all the more special when Lesnar hits an overhead belly to belly, and F5, and gets the win. Short but oh so sweet.

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And on a related note, I NEED to do a SD 02 project at some point. This show not only had that match, but Angle/Hogan (their KOTR match was good), Rey/Tajiri, and Edge & Rock/Eddie & Benoit (new SD acquisitions). And the shows are stacked like this on a weekly fucking basis. But for now, LESNAR. *next episode time*
 
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