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Old 11-01-2012, 10:36 PM   #8341 (permalink)
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Kurt's NYR 06 Promo is his best and one of the best of the year for sure. Probably my favorite "funny" promo ever, and Angle as the "wrestling machine" character is one of my personal favorite gimmicks ever (if it really was a gimmick...Probably not )

DFUSCMAN, I absolutely adore your list and YOU my sir have become repped. I love it when people actually have the balls to put current stars over the stars of the past even though they're far inferior in alot of cases. I once heard somebody put Junkyard Dog over Cena, what the fuck. Funk doesn't get enough love in the E', should be mentioned as a top 10 all time legend for sure, a fucking BEAST.

In terms of Punk/Cena , I'd put their overall chemistry in ring and out above Rock and Austin. When you step outside the realm of nostalgia and look objectively , it's not that far of a stretch (although I completely understand if you'd enjoy Rock/Austin more). Since Wrestlemania XXVI when HBK retired and Taker/HHH went part-time, Punk has been the hands down Best in the World, and I believe if you can be the best in the E' for 2+ years, you should be able to lay claim as a top 15 ever.
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Angle's one of the most overrated wrestlers of all time in my personal opinion. He's an incredible athlete, but he can't put on a great match where he is the controlling worker. He has to be with a good worker, his best matches were with old school workers, for example Austin, Taker, Benoit etc. Angle has barely any grasp on psychology. His character work is ok for me. It's not that he's bad it's more of the fact that he doesn't deserve the placement he gets by modern wrestling fans as one of the greatest wrestlers of all time.
Chuck Guerrero in too. He meshed well with Mysterio. At least he did in the 9 minute blitzkreig vs him @ Summerslam 2002. He does get overrated by people. Taz being the number one guy.

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I thought Angle was quite funny in 2000-2001 as a goofy heel with the three I's stuff and then his work with Austin in the Invasion angle was very entertaining. There was a promo he did before SummerSlam 01 that were he was all fired up that I thought was really good too. The promo he did on Taker in 06, I remember the line "Undertaker, when that bell rings...I don't have a soul either" was delivered strongly.

But I understand some people don't like the way Angle works in the ring and that's fine too. Sometimes I compare him to an action movie with a lot of explosions and gunfire and that is fun to watch too.
Oh, I love wacky Kurt. I really do. His funny stuff was fine. Simply nothing impactful to the biz. Just entertaining. Kurt wearing the tiny cowboy hat w/Austin & Vince in '01 had me in stitches. Using a milk truck to one-up Austin & the Alliance = gold. Not to mention all of the unintentional comedy stuff he's given us over the years.

His intensity stuff never won me over. That's when my interest in Kurt peaked, then began to fade. He was better being wacky/semi-serious Kurt or 2003 athlete Kurt imo.

Ha. The Michael Bay movie of wrestling. That fits perfectly when you look at it.
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Kurt's NYR 06 Promo is his best and one of the best of the year for sure. Probably my favorite "funny" promo ever, and Angle as the "wrestling machine" character is one of my personal favorite gimmicks ever (if it really was a gimmick...Probably not )

DFUSCMAN, I absolutely adore your list and YOU my sir have become repped. I love it when people actually have the balls to put current stars over the stars of the past even though they're far inferior in alot of cases. I once heard somebody put Junkyard Dog over Cena, what the fuck. Funk doesn't get enough love in the E', should be mentioned as a top 10 all time legend for sure, a fucking BEAST.

In terms of Punk/Cena , I'd put their overall chemistry in ring and out above Rock and Austin. When you step outside the realm of nostalgia and look objectively , it's not that far of a stretch (although I completely understand if you'd enjoy Rock/Austin more). Since Wrestlemania XXVI when HBK retired and Taker/HHH went part-time, Punk has been the hands down Best in the World, and I believe if you can be the best in the E' for 2+ years, you should be able to lay claim as a top 15 ever.
Thanks for the rep, and my reasoning for people rating cena and current stars so lowly is anger at the current product. It's not that the talent is as horrendous as people make it out to be, it's the fact that creative seemingly doesn't want to spend time on making a product that builds the talent and can create stars.

Punk and Cena's in ring psychology together are the top 2 in ring chemistry of the past 15 years with HBK/Taker. That's not overrating it in the slightest, they put on magic any time they go out there. They play off each other's strengths so well. Cena sells punk's offense so well, and punk's marvelous as a heel worker controlling the match from facial expressions, interacting with the crowd, and having a brilliant heel offense. Punk sells cena's comebacks incredibly well and Cena's such a great babyface with Punk. I probably will never get tired of watching punk and cena wrestle.
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Outside of Cena and Orton, I personally couldn't give a fuck less about today's talent and these two don't even belong in the same category as they came out right after the Attitude Era. I like Sheamus and Bryan but for the rest, completely indifferent.
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Punk. Cesaro. Henry. Rhodes. Show. Kidd. Gabriel. Hawkins. Christian. Dolph. Kane. Ryder. Sandow. Barrett. Primetime Players. Usos. Slater. McIntyre. Dibiase Jr. Curtis. Tatsu.

All of those guys are plenty capable too. Regardless of size or age. Clay isn't half bad when he's actually not stuck with a crap gimmick. Alex Riley has improved to work better matches so toss him in too. ADR is bland as a character, but he can work. idk about Bourne & Barreta being injured, but they're quality. Only a margin of the roster is flat. Most are actually quite good. Problem being only 5 make you give a damn via the piss poor booking & no character development.
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I didn't include Christian, Henry, Kane and Big Show because they are from the AE. As for the rest, most have something good to offer but I mean in "full package"/main event worthy talent. Guys like Tyson Kidd and Cody Rhodes are solid talent but just don't have that main event "thing" to them. Then there are others like Sandow that need some more 'development' before I can judge them. I also like Ryback which I forgot to mention. But overall, there's the feeling of blandness among them that doesn't help at all when I'm trying to get into the shows. I don't know if it's booking that holds them back or whatever, but most of them have shown nothing to make me care about them. Then there's Punk who has gotten way more development than he should and I simply can't stand him at all.
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I've been seeing Cody Rhodes as a main eventer since 2010. This year should have been when he rose up. It was evident by his feud with Orton last year that's where he was headed. He's doing ok atm, but he should be doing more.

Ziggler & Cesaro can be main eventers too. Ziggler pretty much is(all he needs is that final thrust into it) and Cesaro is a lock. Not a doubt in my mind. Regardless of what WWE does with him. I know he has it.

You know where I stand on the Punk thing. So it's irrelevant to say all the same stuff over again.
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Well... Ziggler is in a feud with Cena at the moment, so that pretty much gurantees that WWE thinks highly enough of him to make him world champion at sometime (plus he has MITB which I doubt he loses). Ryback (although he sucks) looks like a lock to be the next HUGE face sensation, while Cesaro could potentially win MITB next year (hope so) as he has all the potential in the world. As long as Barrett doesn't win a world title.... Fuck him :hhh

Punk is one of the greatest ever all around' bar none (especially in the E'). Just watched a match with the insanely shitty Elijah Burke, and Punk actually made the match pretty damn good (a feat that no normal man can accomplish). I think Punk is one of the only wrestlers EVER who can be a top 5 face and a top 5 heel. Orton used to be like that, but he sucks from a character standpoint as HAS sucked from a character standpoint since like 2010. When's the last memorable Randy Orton promo/interview you've ever seen ? How about the last classic Orton produced ? Henry carried him in two awesome matches last year (although his series with Christian was awesome too). I don't see how in any way, shape or form Orton is better than Punk.

I can name atleast 5 Punk matches better than Orton's best single's match (vs Foley BL **** 1/4). Seriously. I know Everybody will disagree, but whatever (and C2D, I actually respect your opinion, because I respect people who will say unpopular things that they ACTUALLY believe in)
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I can name atleast 5 Punk matches better than Orton's best single's match (vs Foley BL **** 1/4). Seriously. I know Everybody will disagree, but whatever (and C2D, I actually respect your opinion, because I respect people who will say unpopular things that they ACTUALLY believe in)
Hey, that's great. For a change there's a Punk fan that isn't butthurt about the fact I dislike him! I respect your opinion too and I've already told you that your reviews are superior to mine in several ways. Although some might tell me I'm too harsh on myself. (I'm my own biggest critic, lol)

And I can name at least 10 Orton matches I prefer to Punk's entire existence, so it differs from opinion to opinion.

And to answer before it's asked: vs Foley BL04, vs Benoit SS04, SD06 x2, vs Christian OTL11, vs Mysterio NWO06, SD06, vs HBK SVS07, vs Taker Arm05, vs HHH NM07.

Only Punk match I hold in VERY high regard is MITB with Cena.
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GREAT. FUCKING. JOB. CLIQUE.

Imagine if that match somehow makes Bret's unreleased collector's series DVD, I would fucking eat that shit up big time. Bret and Funk are arguably two top 5 in-ring talents ever, and if I do say so myself, you do a better job of making an individual want to watch a particular match than any other, you loveable bastard !

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