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#16,584 ·
You're blowing it way out of proportion. Punk jobbed for like 15 PPV matches and was able to bounce back within one month. Orton's credibility can never be hurt. He's at that level now. And how do you know he'll never be WWE Champion again? Have you seen into the future?

And I really don't care about all this credibility crap, JUST GIMME THE DAMN MATCH, DAMMIT!
 
#16,585 ·
Despite being stuck somewhere in the midcard right now, Orton is still one of the most credible wrestlers on the roster, still extremely over with the crowd. If he gets booked strong untill SumerSlam for example I'm sure a Brock/Orton match would do very good business, I also think it would be a great match.
 
#16,587 ·
People are taking this wellness policy thing way too seriously. Orton is safe, I've heard he does weed on a regular basis and pays a fine to avoid suspension. It's not like his addiction is on 2005-06 levels. He's mellowed out now. On a similar note, didn't Jeff Hardy get the belt while he was on his second strike? There ya go.

And Orton still has it in the ring, he just needs something meaningful to do to get some motivation. I'm sure he wouldn't just go through the motions if he wrestled Lesnar in a big money match. I can't believe people actually hate on him because he doesn't waste his energy for 5 minute matches with Barrett on a weekly basis. fpalm
 
#16,589 ·
lol @ the same ol "he needs motivation" thing.

I've said my thoughts on that already, but that's such a pathetic excuse. GIVE ME BETTER BOOKING AND I'LL GIVE YOU BETTER MATCHES. No, you twat. You put your best effort in and hope the company rewards you for it. Besides, it's not like a good opponent magically means anything. He worked vs Cesaro with time and it wasn't good. So there you go.
 
#16,590 ·
Yeah, Orton has done nothing for me in years. Give him a decent storyline that actually has some thought behind it like his feud with Christian in 2011 and he can produce some classics. Throw him in a random feud with Wade fuckin' Barrett which has zero direction and just features them having back-to-back TV matches every other week and he's the definition of bland. I don't think I've watched more than one Orton match this year.
 
#16,591 ·
lol @ the same ol "he needs motivation" thing.

I've said my thoughts on that already, but that's such a pathetic excuse. GIVE ME BETTER BOOKING AND I'LL GIVE YOU BETTER MATCHES. No, you twat. You put your best effort in and hope the company rewards you for it. Besides, it's not like a good opponent magically means anything. He worked vs Cesaro with time and it wasn't good. So there you go.
I liked the Cesaro matches.

Still, it's a perfect excuse for him to not give a fuck when he has to wrestle WADE BARRETT every week. He's above this shit and he has every right to phone it in when they screw him over with this kind of bullshit booking.
 
#16,593 ·
Top 5 BORK matches:

(****3/4)
1) vs. Taker NM 02
2) vs. Angle SD 03 Ironman
(****1/2)
3) vs. Eddie Guerrero NWO 04
4) vs. Angle SS 03
(****1/4)
5) vs. Cena ER 12
 
#16,594 ·
There's a difference between a good match and a good performance. I don't really expect anyone v Barrett to be good, but if the wrestler opposite him is talented then the performance by that wrestler should be good. Orton isn't bad, but he does nothing to show me he's particularly good any more. Being in there with the same not-good opponent like Barrett isn't an excuse for not being very good yourself.

I don't give a fuck who you are or what position you are in, being in a match with a Barrett multiple times isn't an excuse to phone it in.

EDIT- Nice point @ Cody. Christian is a perfect example. Worked with everyone on anyone on the roster between 09-11 and looked like one of the best wrestlers in the world during that time no matter who was in there or what booking he got. In some cases, the absolute best.
 
#16,595 ·
That's what I'm saying. I know it's old and stale as fuck or if Barrett isn't the best wrestler out there. Doesn't mean those fans in that crowd that day feel the same way. b/c probably a lot of them don't watch every single match like how fans like myself or anyone else do. Not to mention house shows too. Does he phone it in there if he has to work vs Barrett 3 days in a row? I hope not.

EDIT ~ (Y) Christian was the first guy to jump out at me for someone who always puts their effort into the bulk of their matches.
 
#16,596 ·
I think the fact that Hayley stated is that it really looks that with every match Orton's seemingly going through the motions. He is putting no effort into trying to make his matches different or better. It seems that he has no motivation, and I'm not going to blame that on the booking of Orton because Orton should know that no matter where he is placed on the card or whoever he faces he should give full effort.

The christian example is perfect
 
#16,597 ·
There's a difference between a good match and a good performance. I don't really expect anyone v Barrett to be good, but if the wrestler opposite him is talented then the performance by that wrestler should be good. Orton isn't bad, but he does nothing to show me he's particularly good any more. Being in there with the same not-good opponent like Barrett isn't an excuse for not being very good yourself.

I don't give a fuck who you are or what position you are in, being in a match with a Barrett multiple times isn't an excuse to phone it in.
But here's the thing. Why bother putting effort into a 5 minute match that will be done again the next week which causes all that effort to go unnoticed? Let's say Orton puts more effort in in a Barrett match and it ends up being good. Then they have another match the next week (124989175 on the series) and the previous one will be forgotten about and all that effort will go unappreciated. Might as well phone it in since putting in any efforts helps no one.

As for Christian. He deserves better but I wouldn't blame him one bit if he ever phoned it in due to the garbage they have him put up with. And hell, he's perfect example of how working hard doesn't necessarily get you rewarded.
 
#16,598 ·
Cena, Sheamus, Trips, Taker, Rock, Punk and maybe Ryback are the credible opponents for BROCK.

Orton can stick to matches with Henry, which i wouldn't mind at all.

On a other thought what the HELL is Henry gonna do at Mania? Guy was wasted last year in the terrible tag team match.
Show vs Lesnar would be immensely awesome. Seriously, this needs to happen.
 
#16,599 ·
Telling people to phone in performances b/c they might not be appreciated by every fan is one of the worst mindsets to have if you're a wrestler. That means only about 5 guys would work hard on every show. I can't even fathom how or why someone would think like that. You're in this business. You know how things work. There will always be a pecking order. Doesn't matter where you're at. You always try and put out your best or at least effort in.

It's like that for any sport. Or most aspects of life actually.
 
#16,600 ·
Telling people to phone in performances b/c they might not be appreciated by every fan is one of the worst mindsets to have if you're a wrestler. That means only about 5 guys would work hard on every show. I can't even fathom how or why someone would think like that. You're in this business. You know how things work. There will always be a pecking order. Doesn't matter where you're at. You always try and put out your best or at least effort in.

It's like that for any sport. Or most aspects of life actually.
Well, I guess we got different views on this thing so that's all I can say. If I know I'm being overshadowed by others in a wrestling show and have to wrestle the same guy every week, I would most definitely phone it in, specially if I'm on Orton's level.

The way they've been treating him since he lost the belt to Mark Henry is just complete bullshit and it's their job to give Orton something proper to do rather than wrestle the same guy every week. Hell, didn't they give him SOMETHING resembling a storyline with Kane for Mania? And the results were far better than random Barrett match #321598891. See, if they give him something, he'll have no problem delivering.
 
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