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The documentary > the matches. There is a more gritty WCCW doc called Heroes of World Class. If you haven't seen it I reccomend it.

You reviewed the Starrcade set, eh. What did you think of Windham/Pillman vs Steamboat/Douglas? Best match on the set, imo. Tied w/Magnum vs Tully.
Yeah I saw the Heroes of World Class, but I would just assume more people saw WWE's set.

As far as that tag from 92, I gave it ****1/4 I really dug it, tag team wrestling at its finest but I don't think that it's the level of Tully/TA that cage match has a special place in my heart lol.

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For the ultimate WCCW experience, you need the WWE release, the independent Heroes of World Class release, and then the DVDVR Best of Texas 1980's set.
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Yeah I saw the Heroes of World Class, but I would just assume more people saw WWE's set.

As far as that tag from 92, I gave it ****1/4 I really dug it, tag team wrestling at its finest but I don't think that it's the level of Tully/TA that cage match has a special place in my heart lol.

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****3/4 for me. One of my favorite tag team matches ever. Only one off the top of my head that trumps it is Midnight Express vs Southern Boys GAB '90.

Tully/Magnum cage is legendary in every sense. Understandable to put it on a pedestal. I do to.

I might have to post my thoughts on the Starrcade set in bit. Think I need to rewatch Flair/Dusty though. I remember not caring for it, to my surprise.

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****3/4 for me. One of my favorite tag team matches ever. Only one off the top of my head that trumps it is Midnight Express vs Southern Boys GAB '90.

Tully/Magnum cage is legendary in every sense. Understandable to put it on a pedestal. I do to.

I might have to post my thoughts on the Starrcade set in bit. Think I need to rewatch Flair/Dusty though. I remember not caring for it, to my surprise.
No doubt I can see why you dug Dragon/Douglas vs. Windham/Pillman, excellent stuff and hell yes for Express/Southern Boys now that's the southern formula and tag team wrestling worked to perfection.

Yeah I have a friend who didn't care for Flair/Dusty either but knew some others who liked it, I guess it depends.



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I'll give that May match a watch now.
It'll be worth it.

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Eh. At least they tried to make Kane vs Snitsky feel like it was a feud worth time. I'll give them credit there. We don't get that now. Plus wasn't that the match where they jumped off the stage to end the show? and you can clearly hear them talking
I know, I know. I may be bashing it here but that's because I have been spoiled in those Raw shows with the likes of Benoit, Jericho, Evolution, Orton, HBK and Muhammad Hassan. I still take Kane/Snitsky at their worst over Raw is Punk 2012. As for the stage bump... no, that was two or three weeks before it in a No Holds Barred match. The one I just finished was a steel cage match and admittedly, not as bad as I expected it to be. Probably because it was short. Although logic be damned there. Both Kane and Snitsky were standing on the steel steps outside the cage door at one point but instead walked back in.
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It'll be worth it.

I personally think their match from earlier that year was better than this one, which was good in its own right.

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Foley/Orton, Backlash 2004 - ****1/2
HHH/HBK/Benoit, Backlash 2004 - ****1/2
Lesnar/HHH, Summerslam 12 - ****1/4
Lesnar/Goldberg, Mania XX -


Didn't get around to Cena/Punk NOC or Seamus/Show yet. Maybe tomorrow.
Forgot to add my thoughts because I was in a rush earlier on. For anybody who cares lol...

Foley/Orton - I dare anybody to say Orton hasn't earned his stripes after watching this match. Legend Killer Orton, as a character, is criminally underrated imo. He was perfect in the role HHH/Flair cast for him and backed up everything they said about him too. The thumb tack spot and the diving elbow off the stage are sick. Just a flat out war between these two with Foley doing what he does best; making other guys look a million bucks. Randy Orton officially arrives when this thing is over and to this day this remains one of his best matches ever imo.

HHH/HBK/Benoit - at the crowd. Constant YOU SCREWED BRET and YOU TAPPED OUT chants. The Hebner stuff was awesome and I'm pretty sure made most folks there shit a brick, haha. Another awesome match but it had no chance of living up to the Mania XX triple threat. It really says something when a match can be this good and still only be in second place. The ending is beautiful too.

Lesnar/HHH - I know I'm in the minority with this one but I absolutely adore this thing. The arm work from Lesnar is sublime. Everything he does targets the arm right from the get go. I marked the fuck out when he took his gloves off. What a BADASS moment followed with a great big punch to the back of the head. Brilliance. Trips sells like a trooper and I love the story they told in this thing. Hunter accidentally stumbling upon the monsters weakness is wonderful and holy fucking Christ did Brock ever sell that thing like death. As much of a massive HHH mark I am, I marked out for Brock Lesnar in this match way more than Hunter. The man is not human.

Lesnar/Goldberg - THIS MATCH SUCKS! THIS MATCH SUCKS! Yeah, I don't blame you NYC lol. Nothing much to say here except .

HHH is a master at making you believe that the other guy has him beat. As a child that Taka match had me in a rage lol. I thought he was done, haha. HHH/Taka, HHH/Maven, HHH/Shelton, HHH/Eugene are all examples of what I'm talking about. Complete edge of your seat stuff because as the match progresses you start to think that maybe the other guy is actually in with a shot of beating the Game. Great stuff.

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No doubt I can see why you dug Dragon/Douglas vs. Windham/Pillman, excellent stuff and hell yes for Express/Southern Boys now that's the southern formula and tag team wrestling worked to perfection.

Yeah I have a friend who didn't care for Flair/Dusty either but knew some others who liked it, I guess it depends.
I'm usually big on anything that involves Barry Windham. Toss in Steamboat & Pillman. I'm sold.

Indeed. It didn't do anything for me. Don't know if a re-watch will change that. I've seen it plenty of times already.

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I know, I know. I may be bashing it here but that's because I have been spoiled in those Raw shows with the likes of Benoit, Jericho, Evolution, Orton, HBK and Muhammad Hassan. I still take Kane/Snitsky at their worst over Raw is Punk 2012. As for the stage bump... no, that was two or three weeks before it in a No Holds Barred match. The one I just finished was a steel cage match and admittedly, not as bad as I expected it to be. Probably because it was short. Although logic be damned there. Both Kane and Snitsky were standing on the steel steps outside the cage door at one point but instead walked back in.
See, I missed all of that stuff because I was w/o cable at the time. So much of RAW 05 is a blur pardon the summer when I was able to watch (which is how I recall Angle/Flair) and all the moments/matches that have gotten praise via dvd sets. Thankfully I got to witness a bulk of the Edge/Hardy program.

Kane vs Snitsky matches. Got to love em....as guilty pleasures.

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HHH is a master at making you believe that the other guy has him beat.
Trips definitely has a skill for that and because of the way he's been built over the years it works even better. That's why his Mania put overs of Benoit, Batista, and Cena felt special too.

Flair was a master at doing that as the heel champion with virtually every babyface/hometown challenger that he faced. There's an absolutely beautiful match he had with Brian Pillman in 1990 that featured Flair on the ropes for a good portion of the match. Pillman came out of that thing looking like a million bucks.


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That's why they're the GOAT heels. Btw, Flair on the mic > everybody that ever lived. Jesus Christ this guy is pure entertainment the second he opens his mouth. I watched a few of his interviews in between matches on the PPV's and couldn't stop . Even Batista and HHH were holding back their markdom when he's going off on one. Awesome lol.

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