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Old 11-01-2012, 04:42 PM   #8251 (permalink)
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Watched HHH/Michaels recently and I thought it was good, but it didn't really "HOLD UP!!!" hold up. I'd have a lot more Raw matches above it than 10.
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Old 11-01-2012, 04:44 PM   #8252 (permalink)
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That's a shame. I haven't seen it in ages either. Hmm...what else is there...

I know Edge/Orton had a really good match, and Edge/HBK Street Fight. Flair/Edge TLC is great, too.
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Edge/Orton night after BL 07- ****1/4
Edge/HBK Street Fight 2005- (Need to rewatch, but I believe I had it somewhere in the ***1/2-**** range)
Edge/Flair TLC- ****
HBK/HHH Raw 03- ****1/4
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Old 11-01-2012, 04:49 PM   #8254 (permalink)
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Austin/Benoit in 01 before their amazing SmackDown match is one of the better Raw matches. Bunch of sub-ten minute matches from 96-97 like Austin/Mankind and Mankind/Owen. I'd say the first Henry/Punk from this year belongs in the talk. Then, of course, HHH/Michaels from Christmas 97.
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That street fight was back in 2005? Jesus....

And yeah, that was the Edge/Orton match I was talking about. Damn, I need to watch all those again.
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That street fight was back in 2005? Jesus....

And yeah, that was the Edge/Orton match I was talking about. Damn, I need to watch all those again.
Edge and HBK had two street fights. One in 2005 and the other in 2007.
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Goddamn I love that Edge/Flair TLC. ****1/4, imo.

Random ratings:
Umaga/Jeff - GAB '07 - ***3/4 (really fun match)
Edge/Orton - April '07 - ***3/4
Christian/Rhodes - NWO '12 - ***1/2
HBK/Orton - SSeries '07 - ****1/2
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Edge and HBK had two street fights. One in 2005 and the other in 2007.
Ah, that's probably why I was in shock.

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HBK/Orton - SSeries '07 - ****1/2
I don't remember that AT ALL. I remember HBK's return but nothing about their match.

Edit - Didn't Benoit and HBK have a really good Raw match leading up to Mania 20?
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Royal Rumble 2005:

Edge vs Shawn Michaels - ***1/4
- After building this feud up from Taboo Tuesday, it finally comes to an end in this match when Edge uses the ropes to win. Nothing too great but some decent back and forth action and Edge's version of the Sharpshooter (Edgecator) is pretty cool. Thought it made him look weak, though, when two spears couldn't take HBK down. But at least Edge won so that makes up for it.

Undertaker vs Heidenreich (Casket Match) - ***
- Not as good as their SVS 04 match but still another decent bout which is surprising to an extent. I like Heidenrape's over the top selling of his fear for the casket but I thought bringing in Snitsky and Kane into this was a bit random. A cool spot was the apron legdrop into the casket which looked brutal. And speaking of Snitsky, that backstage segment with Heidenreich was even more homoerotic than WWE intended it to be, lol. And while we're talking about non-match stuff, I can't help but laugh at the way Undertaker says "Heeeeidenreeich... at the Royal Rumble.... you will rest... in... peace!" during the promo, specially the "Heidenreich" part. Reminds me of comedians that imitate horror movie villains.

JBL vs Big Show vs Kurt Angle - **3/4
- Below my expectations but still acceptable. Just too much outside interference that ruins it and it was only barely above 10 minutes. As always, JBL finds a sneaky way to escape with the title around his waist. It was also pretty cool when Big Show didn't need any slams performed on him to break the table by falling into it all himself.

Triple H vs Randy Orton - ***1/4
- This is one of their more 'accepted' matches out here and I can see why. A bit too slow with HHH working on the knees at a methodical pace then Orton sells the concussion that costs him the match after taking control towards the end. Well worked in terms of psychology. But I'm confused by the crowd. While I have noticed a few boos directed at Orton in previous Raw shows, here they even start a "Randy sucks" chant after giving him a decent pop during entrance. I guess it really was the best decision to turn him heel again, plus he's just better at playing that role.

Royal Rumble Match - ****
- Very enjoyable Rumble with some memorable spots from Angle/HBK starting their feud to the mini Raw/Smackdown showdown until Muhammad Hassan unites them in one. One person that stood out during the majority of the match to me is Edge. Here he is getting a bunch of heat before he was even in the Lita/Matt Hardy thing. But I guess it's not hard to get booed when you eliminate Eddie Guerrero & Rey Mysterio. Batista & Cena are the final two as if Vince had everything planned for his future stars and controversially, both are eliminated at the same time. According to Cena, it was not planned and Vince coming out was unscripted. When you look at how things continued later on and how fast they improvised, I find it a bit hard to believe. And the crowd was electric towards the end, both Batista & Cena had some minor boos when their hand was raised while 95% of the crowd was cheering both. I'm surprised at how over Batista got so fast when three months earlier there was a "Batista can't get over" sign that security took away. I also like how Tazz & JR show bias towards their brand which was a preview for the awesome brand feud that ended at Survivor Series. Furthermore on brands, I think it's amazing how superior Raw's roster was at this point. Smackdown is forced to bring out jobbers and irrelevant people whereas about every single Raw entrant had a purpose. Except Jonathan Coachman, that is. I have no idea why he was in this match for so long when it should've just been a quick elimination at best.

Overall: ***3/4 out of ***** (A very good PPV with a great card. In the previous Royal Rumble, the gimmick match itself was the only worthwhile part of the show with a very underwhelming undercard, but this year, the whole thing is stacked with some of the company's bigger stars participating in the undercard. And as expected, the matches deliver to at least decent level and nothing is horrible.)

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They had two excellent matches. One in February and another for the World Title a couple of weeks after Backlash. Around early May that will be.
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@KingCal: Thanks, guess I may not check it out then if it's nothing special.
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WWE presents... Starrcade: The Essential Collection (3 Discs)

Quick Thoughts: Very good set; the documentary left a little to be desired but at least WWE gave the event some props but you know that they can't give WCW too much credit. The matches for the most part were great with some hiccups here and there but overall you can't really go wrong here, lots of classic matches.


Disc 1:
Hollywood Hogan vs. Roddy Piper (12/29/96)- *3/4
Sting vs. The Great Muta (12/13/89)- ***
Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas vs. Barry Windham & Brian Pillman (12/28/92)- ****1/4
Goldberg vs. Kevin Nash (12/27/98)- **1/2
Battlebowl (12/29/91)- **1/4
Dustin Rhodes vs. Steve Austin (12/27/93)- ***

Disc 2:
Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard vs. The Road Warriors (11/16/87)- ***3/4-****
Rey Mysterio vs. Jushin Thunder Liger (12/29/96)- ****
Rock N' Roll Express vs. Midnight Express (11/16/87)- *
Ric Flair vs. Lex Luger (12/26/88)- ****1/2
Eddie Guerrero vs. Shinjiro Otani (12/27/95)- ***1/2+
The Road Warriors vs. Dusty Rhodes & Sting (12/26/88)- ***1/2
Sting vs. Vader (12/28/92)- ****1/4+
Brisco Brothers vs. Ricky Steamboat & Jay Youngblood (11/24/83)- ***3/4
Ric Flair vs. Dusty Rhodes (11/28/85)- ****
Eddie Guerrero vs. Dean Malenko (12/28/97)- **1/2

Disc 3:
The Road Warriors vs. The Steiner Brothers (12/13/89)- ***
Noble vs. Karagias vs. Helms vs. Moore vs. Yang vs. Hayashi (12/17/00)- ***
Ric Flair vs. Sting (12/13/89)- ****
Greg Valentine vs. Roddy Piper (11/13/83)- ****1/4
The Road Warriors vs. The Midnight Express (12/27/86)- **
Hollywood Hogan vs. Sting (12/28/97)- *1/2
Harley Race vs. Ric Flair (11/24/83)- ****-****1/4
Magnum TA vs. Tully Blanchard (11/28/85)- *****
Ric Flair vs. Vader (12/27/93)- ****1/4
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