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Just watched the May 11, 1998 episode of Raw. It centres around McMahon being revealed as the Special Guest referee for the Austin/Dude Love match at Over the Edge. There also happens to be an image posted today in the funny pictures thread of Vince, Brisco and Patterson covering their eyes, ears and mouths taken from this episode. This episode also features Sable powerbombing Marc Mero, as well as the return of Al Snow, which is also quite a coincidence because my friend and I happened to be discussing him earlier today. We didn't know when he returned to the WWF. And now I know.

Anyway, it's a really great show. Probably the best episode of Raw I've seen since I started watching these old episodes (I've watched almost 2 years worth of Raw now). Every segment is entertaining (even the parts with Jeff Jarrett!), it flows well and it's a pretty fast paced show. There are a couple of decent matches there too. A really fun and just excellent overall episode of Raw.
 
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Barrett is f'n awesome. He's the perfect heel.
Finally some sanity ITT in regards to Barrett.

Wade is one of the better promos on the roster when he actually has good material to work with and that is evident by some of his promos during his run in Nexus. His ring work is fine as well and isn't AWFUL like most people in here like to say it is. He's shown that he's capable of being in good matches when matched up against the right opponent (John Cena, for instance).

Wade would be a great top heel if they would stop screwing around with him and finally give him a real push. He's already shown that he was capable of it before but then they shipped him off to Smackdown and put him in the geeky CORRE (or however they spelled it) and all of his momentum he had from his Nexus run was dead.
 
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Guys which match do you think it was better, Punk/Cena from SS 2011 or Punk/Cena from NOC 2012?
 
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Guys which match do you think it was better, Punk/Cena from SS 2011 or Punk/Cena from NOC 2012?
Right now I'd go with the SS match, but I could do with watching them back to back. NOC match is something that I couldn't talk about much because I don't remember it that well, BUT I do remember loving the story it had, so it could very well do better than SS for me on a re-watch.
 
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SD one was really good too, yeah. Undertaker & Batista started it out to continue their rivalry from 07, then ended it too with that awesome counter. Khali is in it which brings it down but I don't remember him being there for long. BDV was better in it that some people will probably say, but they are just biased against big fat fucks :p. Oh yeah, FINLAY.
 
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Shame we never got Taker/Umaga, that could've been amazing. But we did have this:
 
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Way to only post the last 2 minutes of the match :p. Match is great though, ***1/2 for it.


EDIT~Thoughts on No Mercy 2003?
 
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Rey/Tajiri is good, not as good as their SD match though. Benoit/A-Train is good, but holy FUCK at Benoit getting dropped head first into the chair. Angle/Cena is GREAT. Taker/Lesnar is good, better than I remembered. Not as good as their 02 matches though.

Wrote a bit about some of the matches a while back:

Rey Mysterio Vs Tajiri - No Mercy 10/19/2003

Love their SD match, but will have to watch it again just because I don't remember as much about it as I would like. This is good too. They mention this is their 3rd match together in a series or whatever, so I wonder what the other match is. Anyways, Tajiri works the arm with reversals of Rey's stuff that end up hurting it, then using his kicks to fuck it up even more. Rey sells it well, and can still hit a lot of his offence because his legs are fine, but is still playing it safe some of the time and still sells the arm depending on how he lands. West Coast Pop into a powerbomb was awesome btw. Mysterio balancing on the ropes after being thrown by Tajiri, and hitting a moonsault was fucking perfect. Didn't put his hands down to help with his balance or anything. No slips. Nowt. Can imagine someone like Jeff Hardy or RVD trying the exact same thing and just fucking it up lol :p. Finish sees the debut of Tajiri's yakuza followers or whatever and they help him out. No vote for it, definitely remember the SD match being better, just not sure how much :p. Still worth a watch.

Continuing with No Mercy 03, Benoit Vs A-Train is a really enjoyable match. Benoit is just gritty and nasty as usual, and A-Train is great at beating the fuck out of him. Great story of A-Train being able to counter the Crossface and German Suplexes of Benoit, and he even hits a German of his own. Holy FUCK, and I really mean HOLY FUCK at the spot where A-Train goes for a body press drop on Benoit onto a chair, but slips on the chair and drops Benoit HEAD FIRST into the chair. Don't think I've seen a referee move as fast as the one in this match did to check on him. Finish was great with the chair coming back to haunt A-Train, and Benoit using the Sharpshooter for the win since A-Train kept escaping the Crossface. Another match everyone here would like, but its not something I can see anyone nominating.

Just watched Angle/Cena from No Mercy 03. Great fucking match. Might even throw a nomination at it. Cena looked... probably the best he's ever looked while actually controlling a match. Sure, its not that often he's been able to do it pretty much since he face turn just a few weeks after this match (pretty strong Cena chants during this match btw), but still. He's still shit at working rest holds lol, but luckily I think he only actually does one here. He gets a ton more offence in on Angle than he did against Undertaker at Vengeance, and I think that's why I like this match more. He really shows what he's capable of, which is kind of a shame because he hasn't looked like that in fuck knows how long. Yeah, he pulls out some great performances in big matches most of the time, but again, those are different because he's not controlling the match. Does some nice mid section work on Angle first, which makes sense to set up to the F-U, then when Angle tries to German Suplex him from the arpon to the announcers table, the quickest reversal Cena could do was a DDT onto the apron (which looked sick), and that opened up the opportunity to work over Angle's neck which is always a smart thing to do because its fucked lol. Awesome powerbomb into the turnbuckle. Angle took that one like a champ. And Angle was fucking good in this too. No "Angle-isms" or whatever. He did do his "jump to the ropes for a suplex" spot, but not after a finisher, and he wasn't able to hit it anyway so it didn't bother me in the slightest. They each kicked out of the other's finisher, but not in an annoying kinda way or anything, just your typical WWE Main Event style match. The way Angle goes into the Ankle Lock for the finish is pretty cool, and Cena looked strong as fuck in defeat. Probably around ****1/4 for it, good chance of making my bottom 20. Would have probably been top 50 on my WWF/E List too, not sure if I actually even watched it back then. If I did I obviously didn't think as highly of it.
 
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Tajiri/Rey NM 03 - ***3/4. Great stuff.

Off-topic: just for fun - if you considered a Rock, Bryan & Kane Triple Threat, with all men in their prime, what do you believe would the rating for that match?
 
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