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Bought that Rey set we were talking about earlier. £6.99, and buy 2 get one free so I picked up 2 Live in the UK sets I don't own. HENRY VS PUNK on one of them. Not THE match between them, but the No DQ one or whatever it was which is still awesome. And HBK/JBL Raw Nov 05 is a special feature on one of them too. Was the main event for the first TV taping I went to so I'm happy at least part of that show is on DVD :D.
 
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Wrestlemania 22:

Big Show & Kane vs Carlito & Chris Masters - ★★
- A standard tag match to open this show. Nothing great and nothing bad, just decent and watchable. It's hard to care when Show and Kane continuously made their opponents look like geeks every week, though. And they do the same here with this easy victory.

RVD vs Shelton Benjamin vs Finlay vs Ric Flair vs Matt Hardy vs Bobby Lashley - ★★★½
- Some people complain that this was too short but I enjoyed this a lot. As usual, there's lots of great spots which is expected when three masters of spots are present (RVD, Hardy and Shelton). There's also a bit of a storyline with Ric Flair being the odd man out who's in his late 50s and looking to recapture the World Title for one final run. He takes a brutal Superplex from the ladder early on and is helped to the back only to come back minutes later. Very fun match and the right man wins with RVD, who had been looking for his breakout into main event status for years after being directionless for so long.

JBL vs Chris Benoit - ★★★
- Such a waste of Benoit in this one. But still, they manage to pull something okay out of this. Just a standard Benoit match that is better for TV standards but not Wrestlemania worthy. I also thought all the constant raping of Eddie's corpse unnecessary. I can understand with Rey since he was the center of the event for months but Benoit had stayed away from any Eddie exploitation for months and for no reason, they have JBL mock Eddie despite the fact, it had nothing to do with whatever story they had going here. JBL reverses a Crossface into a roll-up and uses the ropes to become US Champion. Pretty short and enjoyable but it has its faults.

Edge vs Mick Foley - ★★★★
- A brutal match. Now this is not on par with Foley's classics in the past against the likes of HHH, The Rock or Orton but it is very good in its own right. Lots of brutal parts with Edge falling onto thumbtacks, mandible claw with barbwire and last but not least, the ending as Edge spears Foley through a flaming table. I still don't know how the fire was off as soon as they went through it. One of the greatest Wrestlemania moments ever and this also gave Foley his own moment since his WM record was understating his legacy before this.

The Boogeyman vs Booker T - ½★
- Not zero worthy like I expected it to be but still garbage. I really feel sorry for Booker T. It's like a nightmare for him whenever a "big" PPV comes around. His SummerSlam record doesn't have one single win in it and at WM, he's been screwed over 3 times at least. From jobbing at WM19 when it should've been his moment to being left off 21's card and now this? I guess the payoff was that he would finally get his break into the main event if he agreed to job to the Boogeyman.

Mickie James vs Trish Stratus - ★★★¼
- Quite possibly the best women's match I've seen. From the awesome build-up to the match itself, they deliver completely. The crowd is also hilarious as they boo Trish and cheer Mickie which leads to some special comments from JR and Lawler. Even though it's removed from the DVD version, Mickie James grabbing onto Trish's crotch and doing the V-lick is a classic. I bring the rating down by ¼ because of the botched finish. Trish failed to lift Mickie for the Stratusfaction stealing and instead, Mickie had to improvise and deliver a rushed Chick Kick.

Undertaker vs Mark Henry - ★★¼
- Once again, a waste of another top talent on the roster. Undertaker could've gotten a better opponent but instead got stuck with Mark Henry. Match is slow and kinda boring but Taker does his very best to make it work as he delivers an awesome over-the-top-rope dive and gives Henry a perfect Tombstone. It's kinda surprising because he was barely able to execute the Last Ride and almost landed Henry on his head had he dropped him one second later. The streak continues but is overshadowed by other stuff in this event.

Shawn Michaels vs Vince McMahon - ★★★
- I think I've already shown my disdain for the build-up to this. Absolutely horrendous but at least the payoff is worth watching as Shawn absolutely destroys Vince for almost the entire match-up. Spirit Squad and Shane interfere but they all fail at bringing Shawn down. Once Shane is handcuffed to the ropes, it's all Shawn's to beat the shit out of Vince with chair-shots, ladder shots and everything. The finish is awesome as Shawn brings out an extremely tall ladder and elbows Vince through a table all while Vince's torso is covered by a trashcan. Then the Sweet Chin Music to end it all. Even though I would be lying if I said I didn't like the beatdown, I think this one went on for FAR too long. Almost twenty minutes and so much time was wasted while setting up the spots. I just feel they could've utilized some of that time better as you will see now below.

Rey Mysterio vs Randy Orton vs Kurt Angle - ★★★
- The build-up was kind of shit. Orton did awesome in it while Kurt was a generic "respect" babyface and Rey played the sympathetic card by constantly milking Eddie's name. That said, this match should've worked a lot better. Too bad it failed, mainly because of time restrictions. For the second year in a row, Smackdown's main event was screwed over because too much time was spent on bullshit and therefore, this only goes for 9 minutes but during that time, it's a fun match. Non-stop action for the whole match and Orton gave Mysterio one hell of a German Suplex during that double spot in the beginning. I think the booking focused too much on making Angle dominant, though. He makes both opponents tap out behind ref's back and in the end, Rey looks weak despite his victory. Crowd once again play the assholes as they boo him in favor of Kurt Angle.

Torrie Wilson vs Candice Michelle - 0
- Now this is zero worthy material. A complete waste of time and instead of this, they could've given the 7 or so minutes it took to the World Title match to make it into a classic. But nah, this stupid "pillowfight" had to get in there even though there's not a single use of pillows throughout the match.

John Cena vs Triple H - ★★★★
- Definitely better than I remembered and expected it being as I went in. Crowd truly makes this match as they are never quiet for even one second. This truly has that big time atmosphere as Cena's tiny fanbase here gets outdone by the anti-Cena fans who are large in numbers and dominate the place with brutal "Fuck you Cena" chants. Starts off slowly then HHH starts controlling most of the match early on. Ref bump happens and HHH brings out the sledgehammer but Cena kicks out. Then Cena takes over and hits the FU which HHH kicks out of. I like the desperation on his face at this point as he heads for the top rope and tries a Crossbody but misses completely. Fans were in for a surprise here as Cena gets the STFU locked in and makes HHH tap out. Nobody saw it coming and as such, the fans are stunned in silence when HHH taps. Very good match and one hell of a main event. It also looks like the crowd really got to Cena as he is about to cry after the match is over. In the post-game interview, some of that anger is visible on his face as he has some confrontational words to his haters and gives that killer look to the camera.

Overall: ★★★ out of ★★★★★ (WM22 could have been so much better but it was cursed. A classic match-up in the plans between Eddie and Shawn was scrapped because of the former's untimely passing, the World Title were completely changed too and Stone Cold/Hogan was planned but it never happened due to politics. From what we got, they could have done some far better match-ups. Instead of wasting Benoit and Undertaker in two irrelevant matches, they could've had them go one-on-one and put on MOTN. Otherwise, despite the screwy card, most matches managed to bring this up to decent. Main event was good, Hardcore match was good and the midcard of the event also offered some memorable matches. Still - it should have been so much more but what's done is done!)
 
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Mickie James vs Trish Stratus - ★★★¼
- Quite possibly the best women's match I've seen. From the awesome build-up to the match itself, they deliver completely. The crowd is also hilarious as they boo Trish and cheer Mickie which leads to some special comments from JR and Lawler. Even though it's removed from the DVD version, Mickie James grabbing onto Trish's crotch and doing the V-lick is a classic. I bring the rating down by ¼ because of the botched finish. Trish failed to lift Mickie for the Stratusfaction stealing and instead, Mickie had to improvise and deliver a rushed Chick Kick
I just rewatched this match now, agreed that it's the best women's match ever. Loved the leg work from Mickie the entire match, and that Stratusphere counter was fucking great. I marked out for that because I completely forgot about it. And lol at Lawlers comments about the crowd, like how they have to go report to their parole officers :lmao. What a shame at the botch at the end, I think I'll still give it a *** 1/2 though. One of the few Diva's matches that I would watch more than once.
 
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Monday Night Raw, Jan 17th 2011
John Cena vs. CM Punk


Loved the stare down at the start of this. Intensity heading into a match, I’m always a fan of that. The usual Punk/Cena chemistry here although to a much lesser degree. Later in the year their dynamic would be fully realized but for now this served as a nice teaser of what was to come. Post match MASON RYAN becomes a member of the New Nexus. Funny how Punk started the year compared to how he ended it.

***1/2

Wrestlemania 27
Rey Mysterio vs. Cody Rhodes


Rey’s Mania costumes are always fun and this was no different. CAPTAIN MYSTERIO vs. NO KNEE PADS RHODES. I really enjoyed this despite not remembering that much about it. Rhodes is great and that delayed suplex from the second rope made me mark out a bit tbh. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that in a match before. The knee brace along with Cody’s mask are focus points at certain times throughout, paying homage to the feud between the two of them which I liked. The brace finally comes off with the mask coming next. I really like how they incorporated both things into the match. Cody picks up the win with a knee brace shot to the face followed by the Cross Rhodes. Big win for him and an underrated gem imo.

***3/4

Elimination Chamber
World Heavyweight Champsionship
Edge(c) vs. Rey Mysterio vs. Wade Barrett vs. Kane vs. Drew McIntyre vs. Big Show


Haven’t watched this since it happened most likely. Edge and Mysterio to start. They take things to the outside early with Rey taking a big back body drop on the steel. Nasty action with Edge beating on Mysterio, throwing him into the chains and into the glass. Barrett out at number 3. Great spot where Edge basically hurls Mysterio into Barrett before throwing him to the outside. So far, Rey is taking all the bumps but eventually Barrett is next to hit the steel. The 3 of them are mixing very well, nice mix of action on the outside and inside of the ring. Kane out next and he does the rounds, beating on everybody as the fresh man. Drew is taking a fit inside his pod and he’s the next man out. First move is to launch Rey into the glass like a dart. DREW MAC. He and Barrett form an alliance for all of a minute before DREW MAC launches him into the glass. Guy is pumped and making an impact. Great stuff. Pace starts to pick up and bodies are falling everywhere. Kane launches Rey into the glass again, this time head first. Awesome spot. Show out last and kills all round him. No eliminations yet with all 6 guys in the ring. Show, with one arm, sends Barrett into the glass again too. Then proceeds to slap the shit out of his chest on the outside. KO punch, Barrett is eliminated. Mysterio has climbed to the top of the pod. Big spot incoming. Show takes a clothesline from Kane, elbow drop from Edge, DDT from Drew and finally a HUGE Seated Senton from Mysterio but still lives on. Everybody ganging up on Show now. Big Boot, 619, Spear, Chokeslam. 1, 2, 3. Show is gone. Chokeslam to McIntryre. Kane eliminates Drew. 3 men left now, Kane, Edge and Mysterio. There’s a great moment where Kane has Mysterio hanging upside down over his shoulders and Edge hits a spear on both of them, eliminating Kane leaving the 2 men who started the match to end it. Before he leaves, Kane nails both guys with Chokeslams. The pace takes an obvious hit as both of them try to recover and get to their feet. Lots of close near falls in the finishing stretch with Edge eventually picking up the win with an awesome spear. Fantastic match where most everybody came out of it looking better than they did going in. The Chamber itself was used a ton to put over the brutality of this type of match and was mixed in with some fast paced ring action. I was settling on 4 ¼ for this until that ending with Mysterio and Edge. Total finisher fest but I loved it and it earns a ¼ star by itself.

****1/2 (And 2011 MOTY from what I’ve watched so far.)
 
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One day I'll have to go through the EC matches that took place on the actual EC PPV. I only remember the ones from 08... and that's about it :lmao. I remember BITS of the others but not enough to form any kind of opinion on them. For example the WHC 2011 match, I pretty much just remember MCINTYRE being a bad mofo in it. I remember the ones that happened before they gave the match its own PPV just fine.
 
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I just rewatched this match now, agreed that it's the best women's match ever. Loved the leg work from Mickie the entire match, and that Stratusphere counter was fucking great. I marked out for that because I completely forgot about it. And lol at Lawlers comments about the crowd, like how they have to go report to their parole officers :lmao. What a shame at the botch at the end, I think I'll still give it a *** 1/2 though. One of the few Diva's matches that I would watch more than once.
Yeah, it's a great match and would have been even better if the finish was done properly.

I don't see what other Brit wrestler's failed pushes have to do with Barrett's failed push. Barrett fucking sucks and simply doesn't DESERVE a push.
You and Pyro debating this would be gold. :lmao

I find it funny how he hates on Orton and says he has no charisma "because he talks like a robot" but gives Barrett a pass even though he sounds exactly the same when speaking. Ever since I've started prioritizing ring work, I've been pretty much fine with Barrett getting buried since he's so dull in the ring. Only thing he has is some mic skills.
 
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Barrett's shite in near enough every area. I can't recall any Barrett performance were I thought 'you know what, that was pretty good,' Fucker can barely even be carried to anything decent.

But saying that, I still kinda want him to win a world title so we can finally say we've had a English-born champion. It's amazing that that's not happened yet.
 
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Barrett's shite in near enough every area. I can't recall any Barrett performance were I thought 'you know what, that was pretty good,' Fucker can barely even be carried to anything decent.

But saying that, I still kinda want him to win a world title so we can finally say we've had a English-born champion. It's amazing that that's not happened yet.
I'd rather they just wait to sign Magnus.
 
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All dat Barrett hate :(

One of the best mic workers WWE has right now and an excellent on at that, but stuck with bland material, a bland character, and hell, he rarely gets the mic to begin with, and when he does, it's for only a couple of minutes. Of course when he did get the mic consistently and had more than two minutes on it every few weeks, he became the most over heel in the company and was cutting great promos on a weekly basis, so meh.

His in-ring work isn't as bad as some make it out to be either, though it is lacking, I've always said his execution and power move-set is fine, but his pacing of matches is terrible and what he really needs to work on. But not bad in the ring, just decent.

Oh well, hardly matters anyway. He's never getting a consistent push and that much is obvious. At this point it seems he'll be lucky to even get a World Title match again period, let alone the belt itself.

As an overall talent, I'd put him above anyone in WWE right now except Punk, Sandow, Rhodes, Orton, Christian, Jericho and maybe Sheamus. Problem is everyone either only has in-ring work to go for them that I wouldn't put up there with Barrett on the mic (Cesaro, McIntyre, Swagger, etc.) or just sucks at both in-ring work and on the mic. Can't thing of anyone besides Barrett who's a pure-mic guy.
 
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So I'm feeling an urge to watch some old school 'rasslin and I'm not sure what DVDVR set to get. Any suggestions?
Me favourite would be Memphis. You get some of the greatest interviews and angles and promos and segments and feuds and all that other shit to go along with the matches. You get them with most of the other US sets, but fuck I'll say it - they just aren't as good as Memphis.


Barrett is POO.
 
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You think Christian vs. Jack Swagger is better than RVD vs. Jerry Lynn from Hardcore Heaven '99?
I second Cal on this opinion. I do dig the RVD/Lynn bouts myself. Christian vs Swagger is IMMENSE.

Barrett is f'n awesome. He's the perfect heel.
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Oh, and <3 for Starbuck pimping Rhodes/Mysterio from WM 27 & dare I say the GOAT Elimination Chamber match ever - from 2011 for the World Championship.
 
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