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Indeed.

Yeah, idk what the point of having Orton owned by H at every turn was. This isn't a knock on H or anything, but it didn't do Orton any favors when he lost the World Championship only 28 days later after winning. Suppose it doesn't matter as Orton would go on to feud with the Undertaker and end 2005 on a very high note. Plus, he is better as a heel.

I remember my fury when HHH beat Orton at Unforgiven though. Oh man, good thing I wasn't on a place like this. I would have embarrassed myself being a 14 year old mark, haha.

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Indeed.

Yeah, idk what the point of having Orton owned by H at every turn was. This isn't a knock on H or anything, but it didn't do Orton any favors when he lost the World Championship only 28 days later after winning. Suppose it doesn't matter as Orton would go on to feud with the Undertaker and end 2005 on a very high note. Plus, he is better as a heel.

I remember my fury when HHH beat Orton at Unforgiven though. Oh man, good thing I wasn't on a place like this. I would have embarrassed myself being a 14 year old mark, haha.
lmao, I feel that. I'm way beyond a "mark" at this point, know most of the results beforehand and I still get into the shows to an extent when watching. For instance, in numerous Evolution/Orton segments, I've actually gotten into it to the point of rooting for Orton.

EDIT: Flair can't take a RKO worth a damn! It looks like he's taking a suplex rather than a face bump. And there's HHH going to the top rope and getting countered even when it's not a match! And Orton gets the upper-hand in a segment with Evolution as usual only to lose where it matters the most. (24/1/05)

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Well that's what they wanted to accomplish, so I'd say that's a positive. Plus, you love this stuff. Only nature to mark out for things. I still get into plenty of moments/matches that I've seen a ton of times. Goosebumps everytime I see Undertaker win at WrestleMania 23. That will never go away. Nor would I want it to.

Shawn Michaels win at Survivor Series 2002 is another one. OH MY GOD I love that reaction.

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I remember my fury when HHH beat Orton at Unforgiven though. Oh man, good thing I wasn't on a place like this. I would have embarrassed myself being a 14 year old mark, haha.
I threw a party after H won the title back at Unforgiven.





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What did the "IWC" think of Orton getting pushed back in 2004? I've barely caught any forum topics on internet from that time and from what I've seen, they thought Orton wasn't even worthy of being in the same ring as Foley (wonder if they changed after the BL match) and there was lots of hoping that JBL would get fired after the Nazi saluting thing over in Germany. (I can only imagine how disappointed they were after JBL not only won the title at TGAB, but went onto holding it for 9 months!) And I know one thing for sure, they couldn't accuse Orton of lacking charisma back then like some do today! The guy cuts great promos almost weekly on the shows I'm watching and he just oozes charisma from the way he carries himself around.

And speaking of parties, I loved that post-Unforgiven party in the ring with Orton coming out of that cake to destroy HHH.
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I threw a party after H won the title back at Unforgiven.
That's a TLK party I don't approve of.

Only thing about 2004 on forums I know is that tons of people complained about JBL being champ. Which I don't understand. Over Eddie, sure. But, Eddie was for it. JBL's promos were AWESOME during his run so I was cool.

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I really enjoyed Orton's ascension in 2004. Thought the Legend Killer gimmick fit him perfectly and was handled really well. After he turned face and was squashed by H a month later it was obvious that their real plan was to make Batista the megastar.





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What did the "IWC" think of Orton getting pushed back in 2004? I've barely caught any forum topics on internet from that time and from what I've seen, they thought Orton wasn't even worthy of being in the same ring as Foley (wonder if they changed after the BL match) and there was lots of hoping that JBL would get fired after the Nazi saluting thing over in Germany. (I can only imagine how disappointed they were after JBL not only won the title at TGAB, but went onto holding it for 9 months!) And I know one thing for sure, they couldn't accuse Orton of lacking charisma back then like some do today! The guy cuts great promos almost weekly on the shows I'm watching and he just oozes charisma from the way he carries himself around.
The only thing that I disliked about Orton in 2004 was his face turn. At first, it was understandable considering Evolution's break up but I never liked his face character. He is just one of those guys that is better suited as a heel (like Edge or CM Punk). Other than that, Orton was one of the best things on RAW 2004. His promos, IC title run and character (the Legend Killer) were all entertaining. It's a shame he never got a match with the Rock though.

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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

Never understood the hatred Pyro and others have for Orton's consistent push. They talk about him being 'forced' down the viewer's throat, when if anything he just had a really well booked long term push where he was put in prominent angles with established talent and allowed to blossom.

I mean the IC Title run from late 03 through half of 04 as well as being the clearly groomed 'future star' of Evolution at the time was a smart way to elevate him and the IC title and the Foley feud was so well handled with a satisfying payof, and the way they subtly built Benoit/Orton was terrific and they put him over in genius fashion and established him as a game changer. Then after the Evolution fallout debacle, he works a 9 month feud with Undertaker, where he's allowed to look legit and get numerous one-ups of Taker. Then he works Rey and Angle over the first half of 2006 and becomes this really cunty bastard who's utterly hated before he teams with an equally despised Edge against the reformed DX before he eventually settles into an exciting program with Cena where it feels like two future company stars facing off for the first time.

If more midcarders got the sort of consistent booking and faith Orton was given in that timeframe, then we'd have a lot more over wrestlers today, rather than constantly booking the same match for weeks on end, only changing the result every now and then so neither guy really moves to that next level.

Also speaking of guys who take the RKO awkwardly, Taker is up there. I remember a good 3/4 occasions where Taker takes the bump by almost landing like you would off a neckbreaker. Not sure if he and Orton just had a series of unfortunate miscommunications when using the spot, but it always came off pretty awkwardly.
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Smackdown was the shit back in 2009. Honestly, SD 2009 felt like SD 2002 for me. Great wrestling ever week and the undercard was featured prominently. The World Title feud with Hardy and Punk was the best feud of the year. Not only did SD focus a lot of its energy on the World Title, the IC title was just as important. Jericho/Mysterio worked their butts off to bring credibility back to the title. And it didn't end there. Like I said, the undercard really shined that year and it's largely in part due to the mesh of undercard vs main event guys. Edge vs Morrisson easily comes to mind.

RAW, on the other hand sucked! After Mania, RAW went to the dogs. Storylines sucked, wrestling sucked. Just terrible. The guest hosts didn't help either.

ECW, I have always been a fan of. Consistently good wrestling show. I was probably one of the few who were pissed off that NXT was replacing it. I knew NXT was going to be a flash in the pan kind of thing and more importantly the disbanding of ECW led to a lot of young guys just floating around the main roster doing nothing.

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