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Old 10-31-2012, 02:20 PM   #8141 (permalink)
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Agree totally. CM Punk was the new superman during his face run. Choke2Death has already mentioned his comebacks against D-Bryan at MITB but there was also some superman comebacks against Y2J (Extreme Rules). Y2J hit two codebreakers (including one with a chair) and Walls of Jericho. In contrast, Punk hit one GTS and it was all over. In the Triple Threat match against Kane and D-Bryan, Punk was chokeslammed once and put in a Yes! lock but that wasn't enough. Punk recovers and gives Kane one GTS and wins.

I know that top faces are booked this way but I thought I would bring this up
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:21 PM   #8142 (permalink)
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Considering that I watch WWE's stuff, this is what I face most of the time. As I said, not all tag team wrestling is that, but in WWE this is what we get and therefore, I'm not a big fan of it.

Based on this post, you must be a huge fan of Teddy Long, playa!
You seen any of the Rockers/Brainbusters matches from '89? That might restore some faith in WWF/WWE tag team wrestling for you.

Teddy Long...because of DOOM?

And, I have to throw my two cents into the whole "Superman" face winning discussion. I hate that term. So, so much. It's a common theme in wrestling. It always has been. I'm not saying it's ALWAYS good or exceptable, but come on. Everytime a face is in danger and somehow finds a way to come back and win it has to be classified as a "superman" type victory and/or burial for their opponent? It's a classic wrestling 101 right there. The face is on the brink of defeat only to summon up all the will they have left to pull out the big duke. So many Wargames are even based off this principal. If Punk's match vs Danielson @ MITB was an example of a "Superman" win then I must be crazy because I don't see it. At all. He wasn't like Hogan where he took 8 minutes of punishment then hit two moves to win. (that was even acceptable back in the 80's given the way matches went down via WWF) Oh no Punk can't be put in a finishing submission hold without tapping out. Oh man he's so the new "superman" face blah blah blah. So yeah, no in agreement one bit with that. Not because it's CM Punk and i'm a mark or any crap like that either. I often support Cena in the same sense too because if Cena wins a match then it is automatically "SUPERMAN DOES IT AGAIN, WHAT A SHOCK", etc, garb. Enough of this crap already. Use it to say that's why Cena/Miz I Quit sucked. But, not for matches that actually mattered.

Oh and these face comebacks are WAY more tolerable than those matches where heels have to always cheat to win. Which is all the fuckin time in WWE. God forbid a heel can win clean often. Now that's gotten old. Oh look a distraction, heel wins. Oh look he hit him from behind, heel wins. Grabbed the tights, low blow, exposed turnbuckle, heel wins. How about a straight up pinfall in a match that isn't a squash? You know that would really be awesome. So glad to hear Show won the World Championship clean. Damn that was refreshing from the general norm.
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:38 PM   #8143 (permalink)
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Gonna have to agree with Cody on this one. Will probably be called 'lol punk fan' but the superman thing is bullshit and gets thrown around anytime a face makes a comeback in a match. People have been in far worse subs than that LeBell Lock at MITB. I've seen guys like Rock/Austin/Cena/Orton/Trips in submissions for about 3 minutes without tapping. And the TLC match actually made for a really good story that helped kick off Punk's reign. Heroic comebacks are part of wrestling and with good reason. Now stuff like Cena/Miz from OTL '11? That's a bad ending, but none of Punk's matches ended like that. There's actually a comeback portion of the match where the face starts to comeback and it moves back to an even playing field, which is fine.

Watch the fucking Henry series and then try to say he's a superman...seriously.
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:41 PM   #8144 (permalink)
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Have we stooped low enough to consider CM Punk, who was among the most vulnerable top faces in memory, a superman face?
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Comebacks are all based upon story. That's why I incorporated the Hogan reference in the post above. You can really tell the difference when a match is key as far as making a comeback feel compelling opposed to a random face winning in the blink of an eye just for the hell of it.

Apparently you can't be a face who kicks out or survives a finisher in this day and age without having that moniker thrust upon you.
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I have no problem with the comebacks but it's the hypocrisy behind it all.

"Oh Cena's this big fucking Superman who kicks out of everything, let me go proceed to ride CM Punk's cock as I jizz over his match with Daniel Bryan at MITB"

It's just that someone people are just too blind out there, it's either that or they can't form their opinion and are just riding the wave. One guy said "Cena is superman" and the rest follow suit. How is it people could call Cena Superman and not realize Punk wasn't any different?
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Neither one are. That's the simple answer to all of this.
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Only superman performances I can think of out of Cena is the Cena/Miz match and perhaps the Cena/Orton BP '09 match, depending on how you see it. I don't like the ending but I don't think it's as bad as the the Cena/Miz one.

Examples of matches people say Cena puts on a superman performance during, plz.
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Breaking Point is a fantastic match though. That shouldn't be listed, Brye.

Someone will mention all of Cena's matches vs Big Show as a superman performance. Probably the obvious answer.
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Didn't think it was possible to stay awake through those Show/Cena matches to even know who won.
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