[Choke2Death]

Originally Posted by sharkboy22

Finally someone else who sees Punk's face run as a complete Super-Man run. The worst was TLC 2011 for me though. Punk's Superman performance in TLC 2011 gives Austin's Superman performance in NWO '98 a run for its money.I also find the punk/D-Bryan series to be overrated (except for the Super Smackdown match, enjoyed that one) I don't even remember their OTL match and I'm sure I saw it about 2 times.

Rock vs Cena, I shat on it alot initially but after giving it a second watch I gave a nice little rating of ***3/4. It was a good wrestling match. I was expecting an all out brawl from these two but they went out there and put on more of a slow paced, methodical match. It caught of everyone off guard.

Given the build, it was a shitty way to go about it but it's not that bad of a wrestling match. Just nowhere near my favourites of all time though or this year as a matter of fact lol. Can't say I agree with you on the finish being a "feel good moment" I wanted Cena to over. Hey, what can I say. I'm a huge Cena mark.

Exactly. Since it's Punk, few will admit it but it's true. MITB was superman on steroids. He was in a LeBell Lock with a kendo stick and not only did he no-sell it, he took the stick and escaped the hold using it with only one hand. I mean, sure, Cena has been a huge superman several times in the past but he gets shitted on for it while Punk got away with it and everyone was sucking his balls for his GR8 PERFORMANCEZ~! (not a shot at anyone in specific).

I am a Cena fan too (although I was a dick about him a few months ago) but his character is beyond stale and him beating The Rock clean would have been a new low.

Originally Posted by Hailsabin

You've let the lazy, formulaic style of WWE tag team matches over the past few years give you a jaded outlook. There are so many brilliant tag team matches out there. Even some lesser matches are gems like APA vs WGTT from NWO '04 or Primetime Players vs Alex Riley/Percy Watson NXT 2/28/12. A good majority of the time I'd probably take a tag team match over a singles match. The psychology is so damn good. It's some of the most strategic work that can be done in wrestling. Tag team wrestling + southern style might be the best combo in the whole of the biz.

Considering that I watch WWE's stuff, this is what I face most of the time. As I said, not all tag team wrestling is that, but in WWE this is what we get and therefore, I'm not a big fan of it.

Based on this post, you must be a huge fan of Teddy Long, playa!

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Agree totally. CM Punk was the new superman during his face run. Choke2Death has already mentioned his comebacks against D-Bryan at MITB but there was also some superman comebacks against Y2J (Extreme Rules). Y2J hit two codebreakers (including one with a chair) and Walls of Jericho. In contrast, Punk hit one GTS and it was all over. In the Triple Threat match against Kane and D-Bryan, Punk was chokeslammed once and put in a Yes! lock but that wasn't enough. Punk recovers and gives Kane one GTS and wins.

I know that top faces are booked this way but I thought I would bring this up

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Originally Posted by Choke2Death

Considering that I watch WWE's stuff, this is what I face most of the time. As I said, not all tag team wrestling is that, but in WWE this is what we get and therefore, I'm not a big fan of it.

Based on this post, you must be a huge fan of Teddy Long, playa!

You seen any of the Rockers/Brainbusters matches from '89? That might restore some faith in WWF/WWE tag team wrestling for you.

Teddy Long...because of DOOM?

And, I have to throw my two cents into the whole "Superman" face winning discussion. I hate that term. So, so much. It's a common theme in wrestling. It always has been. I'm not saying it's ALWAYS good or exceptable, but come on. Everytime a face is in danger and somehow finds a way to come back and win it has to be classified as a "superman" type victory and/or burial for their opponent? It's a classic wrestling 101 right there. The face is on the brink of defeat only to summon up all the will they have left to pull out the big duke. So many Wargames are even based off this principal. If Punk's match vs Danielson @ MITB was an example of a "Superman" win then I must be crazy because I don't see it. At all. He wasn't like Hogan where he took 8 minutes of punishment then hit two moves to win. (that was even acceptable back in the 80's given the way matches went down via WWF) Oh no Punk can't be put in a finishing submission hold without tapping out. Oh man he's so the new "superman" face blah blah blah. So yeah, no in agreement one bit with that. Not because it's CM Punk and i'm a mark or any crap like that either. I often support Cena in the same sense too because if Cena wins a match then it is automatically "SUPERMAN DOES IT AGAIN, WHAT A SHOCK", etc, garb. Enough of this crap already. Use it to say that's why Cena/Miz I Quit sucked. But, not for matches that actually mattered.

Oh and these face comebacks are WAY more tolerable than those matches where heels have to always cheat to win. Which is all the fuckin time in WWE. God forbid a heel can win clean often. Now that's gotten old. Oh look a distraction, heel wins. Oh look he hit him from behind, heel wins. Grabbed the tights, low blow, exposed turnbuckle, heel wins. How about a straight up pinfall in a match that isn't a squash? You know that would really be awesome. So glad to hear Show won the World Championship clean. Damn that was refreshing from the general norm.

[Brye]

Gonna have to agree with Cody on this one. Will probably be called 'lol punk fan' but the superman thing is bullshit and gets thrown around anytime a face makes a comeback in a match. People have been in far worse subs than that LeBell Lock at MITB. I've seen guys like Rock/Austin/Cena/Orton/Trips in submissions for about 3 minutes without tapping. And the TLC match actually made for a really good story that helped kick off Punk's reign. Heroic comebacks are part of wrestling and with good reason. Now stuff like Cena/Miz from OTL '11? That's a bad ending, but none of Punk's matches ended like that. There's actually a comeback portion of the match where the face starts to comeback and it moves back to an even playing field, which is fine.

Watch the fucking Henry series and then try to say he's a superman...seriously.

[funnyfaces1]

Have we stooped low enough to consider CM Punk, who was among the most vulnerable top faces in memory, a superman face?

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Comebacks are all based upon story. That's why I incorporated the Hogan reference in the post above. You can really tell the difference when a match is key as far as making a comeback feel compelling opposed to a random face winning in the blink of an eye just for the hell of it.

Apparently you can't be a face who kicks out or survives a finisher in this day and age without having that moniker thrust upon you.

[sharkboy22]

I have no problem with the comebacks but it's the hypocrisy behind it all.

"Oh Cena's this big fucking Superman who kicks out of everything, let me go proceed to ride CM Punk's cock as I jizz over his match with Daniel Bryan at MITB"

It's just that someone people are just too blind out there, it's either that or they can't form their opinion and are just riding the wave. One guy said "Cena is superman" and the rest follow suit. How is it people could call Cena Superman and not realize Punk wasn't any different?

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Neither one are. That's the simple answer to all of this.

[Brye]

Only superman performances I can think of out of Cena is the Cena/Miz match and perhaps the Cena/Orton BP '09 match, depending on how you see it. I don't like the ending but I don't think it's as bad as the the Cena/Miz one.

Examples of matches people say Cena puts on a superman performance during, plz.

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Breaking Point is a fantastic match though. That shouldn't be listed, Brye.

Someone will mention all of Cena's matches vs Big Show as a superman performance. Probably the obvious answer.