[The Beast Incarnate]

Watched The Undertaker vs Kurt Angle from September 2003 last night....

LOVED the emphasis on striking vs technical wrestling, those counters from strikes turning into fireman's carries/pinning combinations were a thing of beauty. Taker just decides "fuck it" and matches Angle's technical prowess in perhaps some of his greatest technical exchanges ever. They really put across the fact that if Taker connects with a strike, he'll absolutely KILL Angle, and Angle does a brilliant job of putting Taker's strikes over.

The whole "reverse all of Taker's finishers/moves into the Angle lock" sequences are pure gold and I think they're executed to near perfection (perfection would be the NWO 06 match). Taker's submissions seem insanely credible, and the POP for the fujiwara armbar is insane for what would be considered by the casual fan as a basic submission. I can't gush on about this match enough, one of the best television matches that I've ever seen for sure.

If you can, watch this match with the pre match interviews included, as they help contribute to the story..Like ALOT. How both are adamant about matching the others style, the passion...Actually, don't watch this WITHOUT the pre match interviews. This match kicks ass, and although I'm not as in love with this as Cal is, I believe that it deserved to be higher than 57 on the top 100 list (and it will be higher on my revision of the list ) . Seriousy, don't know how HBK-Flair is ranked higher, even if it DOES have

**** 1/2 (AWSUM)

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Originally Posted by Choke2Death

New Year's Revolution 2005:

Eugene & William Regal vs Christian & Tyson Tomko - *3/4
- I hate tag matches and this one is no different. Always the same shit to the point you can call everything that happens before it actually does. What's more interesting is the fact Eugene injured his knee while doing a dropkick. I guess that finally gives us a few months break from his annoying ass character on the upcoming Raw episodes.

Please tell me you were exaggerating.

Undertaker vs Kurt Angle from SmackDown 2003 ~ ****3/4.

[The Beast Incarnate]

Most overrated WWE match in 2012 (thus far) ?
Most underrated WWE match in 2012 (thus far) ?

PERSONAL favorite (NOT the best) ?

SHOOT.

[Ether]

Taker/HHH HIAC most overrated: Good match, but no more than ****
Underrated: Sheamus/Bryan Street Fight or Sheamus/Jericho on SD. Fuck, Sheamus has put on some good matches. If only his finishes weren't so predictable

Personal favorite: Punk/Bryan OTL

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Overrated: Sheamus vs Chris Jericho vs Randy Orton vs Alberto Del Rio - Over The Limit 2012

Underrated: CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan vs Kane - No Way Out 2012

PERSONAL Favorite: CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan - Money In The Bank 2012

Nothing from TV sticks out from my mind simply because most praised what was deserving (Punk vs Danielson matches, Sheamus/Danielson street fight, Punk/Henry 4/2, Cena/Danielson, Sheamus/Dolph matches, etc)

Originally Posted by Ether

Taker/HHH HIAC most overrated: Good match, but no more than ****
Underrated: Sheamus/Bryan Street Fight or Sheamus/Jericho on SD. Fuck, Sheamus has put on some good matches. If only his finishes weren't so predictable

Personal favorite: Punk/Bryan OTL

I refuse to believe having the World Champion win a majority of matches is something to complain about.

[Gamblor]

Edit: Taker/Angle September 2003- ****3/4

Angle had a fucking fantastic 3-week period with two matches at ****3/4 (the Taker/Angle match and then the Lesnar/Angle ironman).

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Most overrated WWE match in 2012 (thus far) ?
-I would say Lesnar/HHH or Lesnar/Cena. I do think Lesnar/Cena is great, but it's nowhere near the MOTY in my opinion like a lot of people seem to think... based on this thread anyway. I love the brutality and just how much of a beast Lesnar looks throughout it, but I can't say I don't get bored watching the match at points. It was an incredibly unique match in today's WWE world and I'll give it that much, but I think what it comes down to ultimately is I'm not a fan of the MMA-style like others seem to be.

Lesnar/HHH I have problems with, but I'm not sure how highly it's regarded right now. I'd struggle to go past *** on it personally. I think Seguida (?) summed the match up perfectly and why I don't like it. It's not put on the pedestal of MOTY or among the best of the year (at least not top 5) like Lesnar/Cena is on pretty much everyone's list except mine, which is why I'm not sure which I'd say is more overrated. Lesnar/Cena I'd put considerably above Lesnar/HHH, but the difference between the general opinion of the matches and my own I think is greater for Lesnar/Cena.

Most underrated WWE match in 2012 (thus far) ?

I want to say Punk/Jericho WM, but I have seen plenty hold it in high regard and in a range I'd consider perfect, even though I have seen a few really down on it. I'm not entirely sure on most underrated, but I think Orton/Kane from WM28 deserves more credit than it gets. I thought it was a great, ***1/2 match between the two that I could sit down and watch several times and not get bored. Solid work from the two of them, though I'm not sure how the match is rated amongst the IWC. I know for sure it's under-talked about, which I suppose is fair considering it's on the same card that has Punk/Jericho, Taker/HHH HIAC, and Rock/Cena, not to mention the whole Sheamus/Bryan fiasco that's stench was still in the air as the match was taking place live.

PERSONAL favorite (NOT the best) ?

Honestly, I'd say for this year the best is my personal favorite (Punk vs. Bryan OTL). However, just to throw a match out there nobody would expect, one of my favorite TV matches was Barrett vs. Ryder... I think on SD a few weeks after he returned. The two worked very well together and was a solid *** match in my book. I think the first match with Sheamus on Raw was better and Barrett's best match since his return, but that Ryder match is a really fun watch for me and probably my favorite Barrett match since his return, as well as one of my favorite TV matches of the year (that I remember anyway ).

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Overrated : The Rock vs John Cena (Wrestlemania XXVIII) : *** 1/2

Underrated : John Cena vs Kane (Ambulance Match ; EC 2012) : *** 1/4

Personal Favorite : Triple H vs Brock Lesnar (Summerslam 2012) : **** 1/4

Cena vs Kane is a GOOD MATCH DAMNIT!

[Gamblor]

I think most do rate Rock/Cena at/around ***1/2. I know I do, anyway. I would probably put Rock/Cena as most overrated myself if I saw more people rating it what Rock316AE rated it.

[Ether]

I agree that Lesnar/HHH is *** at best

Rock/Cena *** 1/4

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Barrett/Ryder from 9/28?

Yeah, Cena/Kane Ambulance is good. ***.