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Old 10-30-2012, 04:34 PM   #8091 (permalink)
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New Year's Revolution 2005:

Eugene & William Regal vs Christian & Tyson Tomko - *3/4
- I hate tag matches and this one is no different. Always the same shit to the point you can call everything that happens before it actually does. What's more interesting is the fact Eugene injured his knee while doing a dropkick. I guess that finally gives us a few months break from his annoying ass character on the upcoming Raw episodes.

Lita vs Trish Stratus - *
- This match was ruined from the get go because Lita continued the "knee injury" streak after an awkward landing from the apron doing a Thesz Press. As such, the match is cut short prematurely and Trish quickly gives her a kick to the head and wins. I guess Lita really had bad luck with those outside jumps as the suicide dive she did a few weeks before almost broke her neck.

Shelton Benjamin vs Maven - 0
- I don't think either one of these "matches" can qualify for one. First time, Maven spends 5 minutes just talking outside the ring then gets rolled up quickly when continuing the match. The second "match" is just Shelton doing his finisher and a quick cover in five seconds. Waste of time!

Muhammad Hassan vs Jerry Lawler - **
- Muhammad looks like he's a little new and inexperienced in this match. He does a bunch of bodyslams at first then randomly busts out a Camel Clutch like a resthold. I was more entertained by Daivari's yelling at ringside. Also, Muhammad has some awesome mic skills and is a heat magnet. I'm surprised that he's not actually of Arab descent since he really looks like one, which can be explained by the gimmick they gave him. Too bad it didn't last long.

Kane vs Snitsky - **1/2
- Not as bad as I expected it to be but still boring and nothing worthwhile. The tombstone from Kane was a nice bit of change after expecting a chokeslam, though.

HHH vs Batista vs Randy Orton vs Chris Benoit vs Chris Jericho vs Edge (Elimination Chamber) - ****1/2
- Now this is what it's about! The main event and all this PPV relies on. This chamber match is the greatest from its gimmick I've seen so far and I doubt it's going to be topped by those I've yet to see. Just an awesome 35 minute match with an excellent line-up. 6 Hall of Fame worthy legends with Shawn Michaels as the guest referee to make it even better. Benoit & Jericho start things off and spend more time on mat-wrestling rather than brutally throwing each other into the steel chain but then HHH enters and the match takes off for the brutality it represents. Benoit is quickly busted open while HHH has to wait until the final entrant before Batista can come out and protect him. Then Edge enters and he inadvertently spears HBK which leads to a superkick and the elimination of him (leading to the Edge/HBK feud at the Royal Rumble). Then HHH is caught in no man's land when Jericho and Benoit lock a double submission (Walls of Jericho/Crippler Crossface) on him and he holds on for several seconds until Batista finally comes to the rescue. From then on, it's all about Batista destroying everyone in sight and the remaining Canadian competitors get eliminated fast. To an excellent ending, it comes down to the original members of Evolution all in the ring with Orton being the underdog face. Despite taking a beating, he manages to fight back and eliminates Batista as HHH just stands in the corner and watches. Towards the end, it's all about Orton being screwed over again while fighting to his best of abilities until Batista illegally attacks him when Flair takes a beating from HBK (lol). HHH finally does the Pedigree and it's time for the big number of 10 as he takes back the World Heavyweight Championship!

Overall: *** out of ***** (The PPV's undercard is terribly underwhelming but the main event is what it's about and that alone elevates the final rating big time. Absolutely love it!)
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Old 10-30-2012, 04:50 PM   #8092 (permalink)
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it was a lot more than two beefheads hitting on each other
I've read this part of the post about 10 times over and it still reads as an uncomfortable sexual analogy.

The fact both men were semi-naked during the match isn't helping with this unfortunate mental image.
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Haven't watched any wrestling in ages but I got some time on my hands tonight and Sheamus/Show sounds like something I would be into. Actually that's a lie I caught a bit of Raw last week I think it was and Sheamus and Barrett had a pretty good match from what I could tell, wasn't paying attention.

Segunda Caida what did you think of Lesnar/HHH?
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very meh match imo

kinda felt like both men were holding back
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Lesnar/HHH in theory had some good elements, but fuck me it was sooooooooooooooooo boring. HHH was never going to bump around and let Lesnar beat him like Cena did, so instead we got Brock working over the arm, and despite the work being good and fitting into the story....Lesnar just looked like a more aggressive Del Rio. The Cena match was unlike anything we'd seen for years, whereas this match despite being billed as the fight of the year didn't really feel that different to HHH/Punk or HHH/Taker. It was the same drawn out, slow plodding 'EPIC' HHH main event which just dragged and went too long.

Lesnar should be killing people, things like him attempting a cradle and working holds just seemed so out of place for 'a monster looking to hurt people'. At least when he injured Cena's arm at ER it was done in a snap fashion off of the Kimura, and put over Lesnar could kill you at any moment, rather than Lesnar just working a drawn out limb segment. Like I said it was good pyschology from a story standpoint, but it should have been a frantic pace to put over the hate, rather than some plodding and drawn out 'DRAMATIC MATCH'. Table spot and Lesnar's selling was excellent, but again would have worked much better if HHH had been like Cena and had little to no offence prior, I get they want to work some start where HHH 'gets in Lesnar's head' but the Cena deadlift powerslam out of the Kimura spot worked so well because despite being an amazingly impressive visual, it was the first real bit of offence he landed that hurt Lesnar. The table spot here was very well done, but HHH had largely been working even or not far behind Lesnar that it just didn't feel as big a hope spot as it could have been, HHH never looked as vulnerable as Cena did throughout the ER match and whilst I know we were never going to get a match close to Cena/Lesnar here, I just wished my predicition about HHH insisting on Lesnar working a slower pace hadn't come off. They made this personal and talked it up as a match which could end HHH's career, but did he honestly look anymore vulnerable than he did at Wrestlemania? Its like they wanted us to believe this was a career defining match and something horrific to watch...but they never wrestled or incorporated spots to reflect that.

HHH got banged up admittedly, but Cena looked like he was on the verge of being annihalated throughout the ER match, and this was coming off of a 3 week feud where they had one pull apart brawl, and Lesnar F-5ing Cena a couple of times. This had 3x the length in build, was far more personal in having Lesnar break HHH and HBK's arm...and yet the match had about 1/10th of the animosity and raw violence that Cena/Lesnar had. Again, it just goes back to HHH wanting to build the feud around this personal war but not wanting to eat the beating that would reflect that. And again, brawls/fights of this nature have to be excellent naturally, you can't work a slow pace and try to sell the drama, it just has to come naturally from the quick pace and big bumps. You watch a Lawler/Dundee match and it feels naturally dramatic, you see a HHH 'brawl' and it just feels so much damn slower and trying to capture this essence of 'emotion' and it just feels tame in comparison. I realise that's the WWE main event style, but holy god damn does it really show in a match like this. Finish made Brock look strong.
Ehh, there were things I did like about the match, but there's something about the way HHH lays out his version of a WWE Main Event Style match that just fails to pull me in. There were things I enjoyed, namely from Lesnar though I did appreciate them taking the effort to bring his real life injury into the equation, and Brock sold the shot in a really awesome 'monster realising he has a weakness after all' sort of way. Still there's just something in the atmosphere and way Cena lays out a match and eats a beating that had me glued into the Extreme Rules match. I knew going in HHH would never let Brock come close to beating him like Cena was prepared to, not that that is a knock against HHH per se but I knew Lesnar was never going to be allowed to look as terrifying as he was in Chicago, and I just didn't find the brawling exchanges to be that enthralling (which is a common recurrence for HHH brawling sans a few matches).

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quick question

did treating triple h like a legit fighter annoy anyone here?

because i remember a lot of sand in vaginas in the rest of the forum with people complaining about how lesnar would murder triple h in 10 seconds

i mean its true, but seriously, its fucking wrestling. do you want them to admit theyre shit and have brock kill hunter but still
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I thought HHH got far too much offence in, or at least they didn't time the point he went onto offence very well. To me he was never established in as much physical danger as Cena was, a lot of that can be attributed to Cena's selling and just the way he eats an asskicking, but its a problem for me when they build the feud largely around Lesnar being a machine and HHH potentially walking into a massacre. I honestly think bell to bell he probably took close to if not a greater beating in either Taker match, at least in terms of bumps.

I understood they were trying to go for the old 'fired up babyface can overcome the monster' story with HHH constantly being able to match Lesnar in the brawling exchanges in the build up. I thought they could have had Lesnar convincingly overcome a HHH onslaught to really sell how much of a monster he is, rather than simply retreating on numerous occasions but its standard wrestling storytelling so its not like I can complain about not being conditioned to it.

HHH's 'This isn't UFC' line really fucking sucked though imo. It just felt so cheesy and self-pandering on WWE's part instead of the battle cry it was supposed to sound like.
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I think HHH getting so much offense was acceptable when he found a weakness in Lesnar to work on (the stomach). Although it still just feels weird that Cena (somebody who's made HHH tap out) was barely able to escape with a victory yet HHH hung with Lesnar like an experienced fighter.
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The stomach assault and everything after felt acceptable, however prior to that HHH never felt as perilous as Cena did. Compare the Table spot to Cena deadlifting Lesnar onto the steps, both fucking tremendous spots, but the Cena spot stands out much better because of the timing and the beating Cena had taken prior. That was the first time he took Lesnar off his feet and seriously had him on the ropes, and the crowd reaction epitomised that. The spot in HHH/Lesnar was still excellent in its own right, but everything before it didn't give it that 'monumental changing of the tide' feeling it should have.

Again I just think it shows when you have Lesnar working a standard wrestling limb assault instead of letting the dude just mangle and decimate his opponents with an arsenal of strikes, submissions and displays of frightening power.

Lesnar sold both spots incredibly though, that I won't argue with. The Cena spot in particular just had him rocking this perfect 'what the fuck' face as pain pierced his body and he suddenly felt in a vulnerable position.
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Watched The Undertaker vs Kurt Angle from September 2003 last night....

LOVED the emphasis on striking vs technical wrestling, those counters from strikes turning into fireman's carries/pinning combinations were a thing of beauty. Taker just decides "fuck it" and matches Angle's technical prowess in perhaps some of his greatest technical exchanges ever. They really put across the fact that if Taker connects with a strike, he'll absolutely KILL Angle, and Angle does a brilliant job of putting Taker's strikes over.

The whole "reverse all of Taker's finishers/moves into the Angle lock" sequences are pure gold and I think they're executed to near perfection (perfection would be the NWO 06 match). Taker's submissions seem insanely credible, and the POP for the fujiwara armbar is insane for what would be considered by the casual fan as a basic submission. I can't gush on about this match enough, one of the best television matches that I've ever seen for sure.

If you can, watch this match with the pre match interviews included, as they help contribute to the story..Like ALOT. How both are adamant about matching the others style, the passion...Actually, don't watch this WITHOUT the pre match interviews. This match kicks ass, and although I'm not as in love with this as Cal is, I believe that it deserved to be higher than 57 on the top 100 list (and it will be higher on my revision of the list ) . Seriousy, don't know how HBK-Flair is ranked higher, even if it DOES have

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