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Been wanting to say this too. The fact that I'm not very high on Punk has actually helped me enjoy the match a lot more since I didn't go into it with the mind of expecting the biggest match since Rock/Hogan or a finisher fest or anything like that. I just went into like a regular match involving The Rock.

I have it slightly above Lesnar/HHH although I need to watch that match again.
I liked their feud and thought it was good. It wasn't OMG EPICZ for me every week like it was for some folks though.

If Trips/Lesnar happens again I think they're going to have to go out there and murder each other, especially if it comes down to Brock attacking DA MACMAN FAMILY. If the feud is about that and they don't have a murderfest, it will end up like HHH/Orton, a massive disappointment.
 
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Think id like to see an F5 or two on HHH rather than mainly going for the Kimura lock (although obviously that was the main part of the match at SS 'cos of Hunter's arm).

Im not against a tap out or anything, i just hope they kinda change it up a bit this time around, although it does depend on if there is any stipulation added..
 
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Does anybody think we'll have the same sort of match at Mania between Lesnar/HHH (if that match happens as expected obviously)?
I can see the match being 'career vs. career' with a No Holds Barred stipulation again.

With Lesnar re-signing for two years, it could be used as a way to officially end Triple H's career. It would make sense too, based on where they went with the angle post-SummerSlam and Triple H cutting that promo on Raw teasing retirement.
 
#16,168 ·
Just rewatched HHH/Lesnar. **** 1/4. This is a very very good match. I didn't realize how good was this match the first time. Great moments (first 2 HHH's clothelines throwing brock out of the ring, brock removing his gloves, the low blow), amazing selling from both men, and a shocking finish ( brock no selling the pedigree). I'm okay for a rematch ( i wasn't just 30 min ago...)

Rewathed Bryan/ Punk at Over the limit match. Still amazing and still **** 1/2.

ADR/Orton/Jericho/Sheamus at over the limit is the best multiple men match of 2012 (TLC match doesn't count because it's a tag) **** 1/4. The final sequence is out of this world.

Damn i hope 2013 will be as good as 2012 matchwise
 
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OTL 4 Way is ★★★★ for me. Very awesome back and forth action involving any combinations of two from the four. Really enjoyed it.

On another note, I saw Dean Malenko being discussed a few pages back earlier today and that made me wanna go watch a match of his with Eddie and the first result that came up was Starrcade 97 so I rolled with that. Very enjoyable match and Malenko's wrestling style is awesome even if he's got no personality or facial expressions ("The Iceman"). ★★★¾.

With that said, it also blows my mind that people say Benoit had no personality/charisma. Sure, his mic skills were nothing but charisma is not the same thing. That's shown by the fact he received constant standing ovations even after losing a match as well as his awesome facial expressions whether selling or celebrating.

I liked their feud and thought it was good. It wasn't OMG EPICZ for me every week like it was for some folks though.
Same here. I also think people blow this whole "THE ROCK IS GASSED" thing way out of proportion. To me, it looks like he's selling.
 
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Same here. I also think people blow this whole "THE ROCK IS GASSED" thing way out of proportion. To me, it looks like he's selling.
I think he was a bit tbh, same with the Cena match, but it isn't surprising. He isn't used to being in the ring anymore. Ring rust and stamina issues are to be expected. It isn't like Taker or HHH or Jericho who have all stayed wrestling regularly for a much longer time than him. It's just going to take him a bit to get back in the full swing of things.

OTL 4 way ****1/4 I think I had it at. Great match. The pace was great.
 
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I've been hearing a lot about hat OTL 4 way, I can't even recall it ever happening. Speaking of 4 ways, there was on SD over the summer last year that was really fun.

@C2D, Agree about Benoit.The charisma he didn't have on the mic, he more than made up for in the ring with. Also in terms of promo work, Benoit wasn't great but he got the job done.

Benoit reminds me of Jeff. No, please don't take that the wrong way. I'm not saying Jeff is anything like Benoit in the ring. But both of them were similar in that the charisma they lacked on the mic was more than made up for in the ring.

Oh btw, I just want to point out that Jeff's best mic work was definitely the promo after his Ladder match with Taker. The entire scenario from the match to the aftermath is just wrestling at its best imo. Very emotional. To me, THAT'S wrestling. One of my favourite matches/moments of all time.
 
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Rock/Punk- ***3/4 on watch earlier today. Still a great match, fantastic selling, psychology, and overall in-ring work up until The Shield attack where things get fucked up. Didn't mind The Shield stuff as much on last viewing, though it still irks me quite a bit. It has some pacing problems but Punk's work-over The Rock and his mid-section was awesome and with that the pace didn't bother me too much. Rock's attack on Punk's legs, leading to the sharp-shooter was brilliant as well. I also liked all the Rock-Bottom attempts and Punk's apparent urgency to get out, which was some great storytelling going along with what Rock said on Friday. Makes me wish even more that Rock did end up beating Punk with a Rock-Bottom, or at least a Rock-Bottom into the People's Elbow.

Lesnar/HHH- *** and I did try watching it today, but I just couldn't sit through it again. I think in the back of my mind, I only watched it to see Lesnar TAKE DEM GLOVES OFF because following that, I wasn't paying attention and was doing other stuff with the match in the background until I finally just decided to close the browser. Pacing's terrible, and Brock's control segment put me out of it more and more until I decided to just give up. I know the match gets better following Lesnar's stomach being driven into the announce table, and it wasn't so bad at the beginning, but mid-match it's just dreadful. I'll give it another shot later in the week and won't lower the rating since I should suffer through it all before that, but it's disappointing.

OTL four-way was great, and I had it at ***3/4, but haven't seen it since a second watch of the PPV shortly after it happened. Need to re-watch.
 
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I've been hearing a lot about hat OTL 4 way, I can't even recall it ever happening. Speaking of 4 ways, there was on SD over the summer last year that was really fun.

@C2D, Agree about Benoit.The charisma he didn't have on the mic, he more than made up for in the ring with. Also in terms of promo work, Benoit wasn't great but he got the job done.

Benoit reminds me of Jeff. No, please don't take that the wrong way. I'm not saying Jeff is anything like Benoit in the ring. But both of them were similar in that the charisma they lacked on the mic was more than made up for in the ring.

Oh btw, I just want to point out that Jeff's best mic work was definitely the promo after his Ladder match with Taker. The entire scenario from the match to the aftermath is just wrestling at its best imo. Very emotional. To me, THAT'S wrestling. One of my favourite matches/moments of all time.
Jeff Hardy's best promo work came following his heel turn in 2010. It's actually quite good.
 
#16,178 ·
Punk/Rock. ***1/2 with 1/2* credited to Rock winning the title after all this time. Not bad but not fantastic either. I wasn't that hyped going in which is why I probably don't share the same disappointment as some of you. While I enjoyed the feud, I didn't think it was phenomenal. I just wanted Rock to win. He did and I'm happy.

Lesnar/HHH >>>>> by a mile though. The limb work and selling in that match blows Punk/Rock out of the water. For me personally anyways.
Something dearly lacked in that match. Cena vs Rock over that match any day. I think there should be a stipulation in their next match, but not sure if Rock can take it, I mean he isn't a permanent star and seriously can't afford SERIOUS injury, but for the sake of quality, something should step up, or stipulation.

Like you said, it was enjoyable for the sole purpose of hoping the Rock could overcome Punk. The match was ok.
 
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Rock/Cena II should have no disqualifications. They should implement more brawling, a faster pace, and have no down periods. It would be ideal to keep it hot all the way through. That means match time should be around 15-18 minutes imo. Every big main event doesn't need to go 20+ minutes imo. Leave out the fat, work the crowd into a frenzy with the big moves and well-built kick outs. With the raucous atmosphere they are expected to have it should be a proper WrestleMania "epic" match if all goes well. I'm not excited for this feud at all but with the right ingredients it could turn out to be a better match than last year which people are split on the actual quality anyway.
 
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