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Oh my God, just saw Regal/Ambrose II (Never saw the first one). My God, what a brutal match. Man, that's what you call some old school RASSLIN'

I loved how Regal was working Ambrose's arm. The spot where hehad his arm in the steps, just sick. Who needs chairs, tables, thumbtacks or bats when you got the damn ring itself as a weapon? Ambrose removing the turnbuckle when Regal was forced to break, just great ring awareness.

Man, and how about Ambrose slapping the shit out of Regal's ear. I loved how Regal showed that he was losing balance as a result. I've never seen that in a wrestling match before. And those last few seconds was just brutal. Ambrose kicks Regal's ear into the turnbuckle repeatedly till it actually bleeds open. Was that planned? My God it was sick.

It really goes to show that you don't need tables, ladders, chairs and all that sort of stuff to make a match violent. Just terrific. I'm not sure if that match was stopped because Regal was seriously hurt or if things were planned that way but props to regal for taking that like a man. Man, this match was BRUTAL.

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Randy Orton vs. Alberto Del Rio- ***1/2
Team Hell No vs. Team Rhodes Scholars- **3/4
Kofi Kingston vs. The Miz- ***
Antonio Cesaro vs. Justin Gabriel- **1/2
Rey Mysterio Jr. & Sin Cara vs. Prime Time Players- **1/4
Sheamus vs. Big Show- ****
Eve vs. Layla vs. Kaitlyn- N/A, I went to the bathroom, but I heard this was actually decent
CM Punk vs. Ryback- ***

Overall, a very fun show I thought, Show/Sheamus completely blew me out of the water. I really did think much of Miz/Kofi or Orton/ADR going in, but I am glad it surprised me. If Cesaro/Gabriel could get like 10 minutes in front of a decent crowd

I quite enjoy the Bryan/Punk series from this year (RAW, SD!, OTL, MITB). So I would would probably rate at least 3 of those ahead of Sheamus/Show, also Punk/Henry NO DQ, Lesnar/Cena, and MAYBE Ziggler/Punk Royal Rumble (I enjoyed this more than most people). But yea, Show/Fella was just awesome, could possibly go up on rewatch.

One last thing, anyone else think WWE has been on fire on TV this year? What are some of you guys favorite matches from TV this year? Mine are (and I do not remember so dates off the top of my head):

Punk/Henry III
Any Jericho/Fella match
Punk/Bryan (as stated before)
Sandows/Sheamus (**** in my opinion)
Show/Bryan from January (Awesome David vs Goliath story)
..and I am sure I am forgetting stuff lol, top of my head of course.
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Oh my God, just saw Regal/Ambrose II (Never saw the first one). My God, what a brutal match. Man, that's what you call some old school RASSLIN'

I loved how Regal was working Ambrose's arm. The spot where hehad his arm in the steps, just sick. Who needs chairs, tables, thumbtacks or bats when you got the damn ring itself as a weapon? Ambrose removing the turnbuckle when Regal was forced to break, just great ring awareness.

Man, and how about Ambrose slapping the shit out of Regal's ear. I loved how Regal showed that he was losing balance as a result. I've never seen that in a wrestling match before. And those last few seconds was just brutal. Ambrose kicks Regal's ear into the turnbuckle repeatedly till it actually bleeds open. Was that planned? My God it was sick.

It really goes to show that you don't need tables, ladders, chairs and all that sort of stuff to make a match violent. Just terrific. I'm not sure if that match was stopped because Regal was seriously hurt or if things were planned that way but props to regal for taking that like a man. Man, this match was BRUTAL.

****1/2
Definitely a work. The entire feud was centred around Regal seeing something in Ambrose that both terrified and excited him. There's this amazing promo where Regal basically says he's been repressing his evil side but Ambrose has brought it back to the surface, so amazing at being genuinly psycho. He talks about how if he set a man on fire most of the roster would run away, but Ambrose would come and join him in warming his hands. Just incredibly dark material.

First match is great in its own right, but definitely a step or too behind the rematch. Whole match revolves around Ambrose selling the arm like a champ and proving himself as a legit tough SOB in refusing to quit, only to be put out of his misery by Regal. The whole setup behind the rematch revolved around Ambrose taunting Regal and Regal basically acknowlodging the rematch could very well be his last. Final few minutes of the rematch are essentially what the feud had been building to, Regal a bloody mess at the hands of Ambrose who has his career in his hands, just beautfiul storytelling. Here's my write up for both matches:

Regal vs Ambrose I:

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Fucking awesome awesome match here that deserved its incredible pimping on a few other forums, Regal arguably puts in one of the performances of the year, busts out a ton of innovative and creative shit and is incredibly vicious even for Regal standards, Ambrose is the perfect foil for him with his incredible mannerisms, taunting and selling of the beating. I could see some people thinking this was too one-sided but when you follow the incidents that led to the match and Regal talking about unleashing his inner villain again, Ambrose taking as emphatic a beating as he does only to come back asking for more really put him over as this tough son of a bitch you have to respect whilst still having tremendous hate and unease towards with how demented and sick he comes across.

Match really felt like a page out of Finlay/Callihan and reminded us why Regal needs to go on a Finlay 2006 esque run on WWE TV beating the piss out of the younger guys and putting them over as only he can, Superstars this week will be essential viewing for all due to who Regal faces and I won't spoil it. Anyways Regal was just an evil motherfucker in this, him continually schooling Ambrose on the mat constantly and using it as the base for a lot of his offence was tremendous, the spot where he trapped Ambrose in an armbar before pulling and twisting his fingers is the sort of spot no-one else thinks to do that makes me adore workers like Regal, just incredible attention to detail and going the extra mile to get the most out of each burst of offence. The spot where he chokes Ambrose by holding his nose whilst he has him locked in a half sleeper/choke spot and Ambrose continually calls for him to give it all he's got everytime was probably only better by Regal's usage of the turnbuckle to target Dean's arm. The Genius TRAPS THE ARM THROUGH THE TURNBUCKLE in a spot I've never seen before, then unloads with a barrage of kicks and forearms to a defenceless Ambrose who's desperate kicking and fighting sold what was about to happen amazingly.

Have to say as well Ambrose's selling was flat out awesome, like he seems to have his detractors for not being your typical indy worker but his selling and ability to work the sort of match he did with Regal left me thinking he's in a class of his own compared to most indy workers, bar maybe 2 or 3 current guys. Everything from checking and clenching his jaw after a barrage of uppercuts, to the way he left his arm limp during the Regal stretch to selling it as he rolled out of a cover left me thinking I've missed out on one of the smartest workers in recent years. His desperation one armed comeback was amazing in his resiliency yet he still managed to capture something in his character that made Regal the man you still wanted to route for, really dug how he alternated between right armed offence, elbows and headbutts to try and keep Regal down whilst protecting the injured arm. The bump he took as well to weaken the limb was fucking bonkers as well and looked frankly disgusting, also have to mention for some reason his mini burst of offence on Regal's left arm at the start was really fucking good in how it came off totally erratic and chaotic and fitted his loose cannon persona tremendously: I was reminded of how the Joker can fight and always manages to fight like a madman and in the process looks unqiue and unco-ordinated but in a good way.

Regal stole the show and put in one of the better performances of the year, Ambrose himself played a strong part in making himself as good a heel in peril as I've seen in ages and still managed to get over the story of the match where Regal took the disrespectful newcomer to town. A lot of guys would have taken the beating Dean did and wouldn't have been able to still make you hate them, I guess that's a testament to how good Dean is at adding these mannerisms that make him impossible to root for. Surefire contender for TV MOTY in any company (right now its my #1 unless I've forgotten one) at the moment and honestly I'd call it something I'd consider worthy of including on a MOTYC list, especially for WWE. Literally couldn't have made it better and the more I watch it the more I think Regal/Ambrose are the only two who could have had such a unique match-up and made it work as well as they did.
Regal vs Ambrose II:

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EVERYONE go watch this like asap. Such a wonderfully constructed match paying homage to the entire focus of the feud, and a brilliantly extended opening with Regal torturing Ambrose with some of the nastiest holds I've seen inside a WWE ring. It all builds and builds with you not believing that Ambrose will be put away despite the disgusting abuse of his left arm (the same arm that Regal dislocated 1 year ago), and the moment where he catches Regal off guard and becomes the aggressor is just amazing. Regal sells everything in such a legit way you actually question if he may actually be legit fucked, Ambrose popping his shoulder back into place before going on the offensive was just such an awesome little character quirk and the way he hovers over a defenceless Regal has this really eerie atmosphere where you feel like you're about to watch a man be endlessly abused without any ability to stop the agony. Ambrose working over a BLOODY EAR of Regal like a vicious pitbull was totally awesome, and the extended selljob of Regal appearing to be on his last legs only to pull off one little moment of genius to catch Ambrose off guard was such a superb 'veteran' spot. The whole ending could be divisive, but just consider this: the whole feud was about Regal acknowledging Ambrose possessed the Regal esque viciousness to end his career, and yet the sick bastard wanted to fight him because to walk away and hide from such a beating was just not in his nature. The entire build throughout the match culminating in the ending was what this feud had built up to: Ambrose having Regal in a scarily vulnerable position and having his career in his hands. Go into the match with that ideology and I can't see you hating the finish. It really couldn't have been executed much better. And the final bit of action (you'll know it when you see it) was just the absolute embodiment of the clash of characters and the definitive ending to this absolutely stupendous long term angle.

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I enjoyed Show-Sheamus but thought the first part was pretty boring tbh.

Anyway only thing I'm certain of is Bryan-Punk OTL is my MOTY, I have Taker-HHH and Cena v Lesner pretty much on a par, will be rewatching both to make a final call.

Next would come Sheamus v Bryan which was a fantastic hard hitting, well paced match.

Jericho-Punk Mania and Cena v Punk Night of Champions are close in quality and would be my 5th and 6th favourites of the year.
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If Lesnar had won it's a 5* match for me. That may sound petty but I don't care lol. I'm a huge Cena mark but fuck did that ending ever piss me off. I'm just happy that it hasn't been able to ruin the rest of the match for me and what a match it is. Something truly special and rare in todays WWE. Brock's physical presence is just on another level all together. It can't be said enough how legit scary this dude is. When he walked past me at Raw I was just blown away. He's HUGE. Ryback can suck a dick compared to Lesnar lol.
I was honestly happy that Cena ended up winning that match. I wasn't rooting for him at first but as the beating wore on I honestly started to get behind him in the match. That was really something special, can't believe we saw a match like that in WWE.



Hell in a Cell 2012


Randy Orton vs. Alberto Del Rio w/Ricardo Rodriguez


While it's not the best booking philosophy putting two upper car guys in a random match against each other because they have nothing planned for either guy does make for some really good matches. This was pretty awesome with Del Rio working Orton's arm for most of the match and Orton sold it really well of course. There were a few bad looking spots in the match, Del Rio really shouldn't be going to the top rope very often, but other than those moments this went really well. THe ending came out of nowhere but I thought it worked since both guys have big moves that they can hit out of nowhere. These guys have great chemistry together and when one of them gets the title back I would love to see a longer match between the two.
***1/4


WWE Tag Team Championship Match:
Daniel Bryan and Kane(c) vs. Cody Rhodes and Damien Sandow

The show continues with another really good match. Kane and Bryan have their dynamic down perfectly and it worked well with the compatible Rhodes and Sandow. When Bryan gets some offense going and you see the angry face he's incredible. Despite being the smallest guy in the ring he is able to look like a total badass at times. I was a huge fan of the ending but at least we'll see another match from the teams again. I would imagine that all this tag team stuff is being done to set up a big TLC match at TLC and the road there should be fun.
***


Intercontinental Championship Match:

The Miz vs. Kofi Kingston(c)

I wasn't really into this at all until Miz attacked the leg of Kofi. At that point the intensity really picked up as we saw a mean streak from the Miz and an underdog performance from Kofi. It still falls into the category of good that both guys seem to have all the time but it didn't get into great territory. I wish they had just gone to the leg work much earlier but this still worked fiarly well I guess.
**3/4



United States Championship Match:

Antonio Caesero(c) vs. Justin Gabriel

This could have been incredible I think if they hadn't been so concerned with making Antonio look strong. The guy has an amazing ability to work well with smaller high fliers so on paper Gabriel seems like the perfect guy to go against him. I know they've had better matches than this one as well. My biggest problem is that I never really felt that Gabriel had a chance to win, which is a problem when you have an underdog in the match like him. There was a lot of cool stuff that they did but I just wished they hadn't been so concerned with making the champion look dominant.
**1/4



The Prime Time Players vs. Rey Mysterio and Sin Cara

This was actually a lot better than it I thought it would be. PTP were willing to sell for the smaller guys and the way they were able to use their strength on them made created a good dynamic. Sin Cara was actually really good at getting isolated before making the hot tag. He didn't botch anything and sold well. Things picked up when Rey got the hot tag. This wasn't anything special but I don't have the highest opinion of anyone in this match but Rey so the fact that they were able to pull it off is impressive.
**1/2



World Heavyweight Championship Match:

Sheamus(c) vs. The Big Show

Wait this isn't taking place inside the cell? That one complaint aside this was incredible. I didn't even want to watch it at first but I'm glad that I did. The story of the match early on was that Sheamus was in the ring with someone that able to man handle him for a change. The Big Show's control segment early on was pretty good (fucking brutal chops) but it wasn't until Sheamus stared showing som life that this really kicked it into the next gear. I was on the edge of my seat near the end because I got to the point where I really didn't know who was going to win, and I was about as sure as you could be before the match that I knew who was going to win. Both guys made each other look stronger than before the match. I can't wait to see a re-match. This is the best match from Big Show that I've seen in years.
****


Divas Championship:

Eve(c) vs. Layla vs. Caitlynn

Last move of the match aside they executed everything pretty well. This was watchable at least as they kept it short, did some cool moves, and kept the match moving. Bad spot on the card and a dead crowd but the later can be expected.
*1/2


Hell in a Cell Match for the WWE Champinship:

CM Punk(c) w/Paul Heyman vs. Ryback

This is why you should book yourself into a corner like this. I'll admit the ending took me by surprise but that's not how I want a PPV to end. The match was good for he time it lasted. Early on it was all about the question, "How the hell is Punk going to pull this off?" He played a good role of a scared heel and Heyman really added to that. Still this was the main event of a PPV and it lasted maybe 10 minutes.Post match stuff was awesome but when the ref takes the biggest bump of the match I have a problem with things. If this happened on Raw I would say it was a great TV main event, on a PPV not so much.
**3/4


Overall this was a decent show. Big Show/Sheamus was great and really saved this. The undercard gave you some good matches but I feel like this could hae been a lot better.
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Randy Orton vs. Alberto Del Rio- ***1/2
Team Hell No vs. Team Rhodes Scholars- **3/4
Kofi Kingston vs. The Miz- ***
Antonio Cesaro vs. Justin Gabriel- **1/2
Rey Mysterio Jr. & Sin Cara vs. Prime Time Players- **1/4
Sheamus vs. Big Show- ****
Eve vs. Layla vs. Kaitlyn- N/A, I went to the bathroom, but I heard this was actually decent
CM Punk vs. Ryback- ***

Overall, a very fun show I thought, Show/Sheamus completely blew me out of the water. I really did think much of Miz/Kofi or Orton/ADR going in, but I am glad it surprised me. If Cesaro/Gabriel could get like 10 minutes in front of a decent crowd

I quite enjoy the Bryan/Punk series from this year (RAW, SD!, OTL, MITB). So I would would probably rate at least 3 of those ahead of Sheamus/Show, also Punk/Henry NO DQ, Lesnar/Cena, and MAYBE Ziggler/Punk Royal Rumble (I enjoyed this more than most people). But yea, Show/Fella was just awesome, could possibly go up on rewatch.

One last thing, anyone else think WWE has been on fire on TV this year? What are some of you guys favorite matches from TV this year? Mine are (and I do not remember so dates off the top of my head):

Punk/Henry III
Any Jericho/Fella match
Punk/Bryan (as stated before)
Sandows/Sheamus (**** in my opinion)
Show/Bryan from January (Awesome David vs Goliath story)
..and I am sure I am forgetting stuff lol, top of my head of course.
Well the creative has been shit, so I've rarely watched the product.
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This x1000. This and Cena/HHH WM22 (not trying to start this argument again) are the only two matches with endings that genuinely bother me.
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93: Vader
94: Bret Hart or Dustin Rhodes
95: Bret Hart
96: Shawn Michaels
97: Eddie Guerrero
98: Chris Benoit
99: Chris Benoit (I hear some ECW guys were ruling it - haven't seen much of it)
00: Yoshihiro Tajiri
01: Steve Austin
02: Eddie Guerrero or Low Ki
03: .....?
04: Eddie Guerrero or Chris Benoit
05: Eddie Guerrero
06: Finlay

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If Lesnar had won it's a 5* match for me. That may sound petty but I don't care lol. I'm a huge Cena mark but fuck did that ending ever piss me off. I'm just happy that it hasn't been able to ruin the rest of the match for me and what a match it is. Something truly special and rare in todays WWE. Brock's physical presence is just on another level all together. It can't be said enough how legit scary this dude is. When he walked past me at Raw I was just blown away. He's HUGE. Ryback can suck a dick compared to Lesnar lol.
I've debated going the full 5 for it regardless. I really can't think of a match that comes close to what that had. BROCK is in a league all by himself with his legit beast credibility. Cena continues to rule in big match situations.

Now I wanted Brock to win too, but I'm not too surprised Cena won. Like I say every single chance I get: Cena to beat Rock at WM. Brock to beat Cena at Extreme Rules. That's what I wanted. (your plan about the Cena downward spiral would have been brilliant too)

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tbf, I do think I was over-critical on Cena/HHH WM 22.

Only result that I can recall that upset me was Orton beating Punk @ Extreme Rules 2011. Talk about making Punk look like a chump. He couldn't even beat Orton once. Fuck that. My rant was vicious.

Not happy about HHH over Orton at WrestleMania 25 either. I guess that resolved itself by Backlash though. (I was still an Orton mark at this time, haha)
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Where WAS Dragon in 2003? Watching 2003 ROH I'm up to November and he's shown up like 3 times. Where did he work? I assumed he was doing NOAH, was he in the US?
I recall a few ROH matches I liked tbh, the London Ironman from Epic Encounter being the pinnacle of the year. Truth be told not many guys jumped out to me from America as WOTY (maybe Eddie for his tag work with Tajiri and then the lie, cheat, steal gimmick) and Danielson was a guy I remembered from a few matches (I want to say there's a Joe match from 2003 that I quite enjoyed) and figured was the best shout I could think of at the time. Pretty sure he was relegated to Japan for a lot of the year and maybe the odd Indy show, never been too enthralled with his early Japan work but he was stuck in a lot of tags with guys who were pretty shit and even the best match from that time (a Kanemoto match from 2004) barely reaches 10 minutes.

Good shout on Benoit for 98 and 99, he's probably the only guy from America I'd consider match wise. Honestly though trying to think of someone even from Japan/Lucha was a nightmare for those two years. BattlARTS was pretty great from the little I've seen, but aside from the odd Misawa and Kawada match, I can't think of too much New Japan/All Japan I've watched from that time frame.

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If we're discussing bad finishes/matches that disappoint us, I want to find the agent who layed out Angle/Rey/Orton from WM22 and shoot him. Fuck it was probably Angle directing traffic in there. Clueless bastard. I mean we get Orton/Mysterio NWO being very good, Smackdown 4/7 being AMAZING and Angle/Taker NWO being a top 3 Angle match ever...and yet on the grandest stage we get one of the most dire choreographed matches in existence, with the added bonus of the underdog babyface looking like a little bitch to Angle. I want to say Rey even taps to an Ankle Lock when the ref is down? If I'm not mixing it up with another match they had..that just makes the entire debacle even more absurd.

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