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Old 04-03-2012, 05:24 PM   #781 (permalink)
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How would everyone feel about a 'Best Technical wrestlers' dvd? I would be all for it provided it was made well and the matches were great.
Awesome idea! Bad thing is no Benoit matches which would make the DVD quality not as good. I'd still buy it though if there was lots of Bret Hart, Owen Hart, Angle, Backlund, DiBiase, Shamrock, Eddie Guerrero, Arn Anderson, Flair, Jake Roberts, maybe some Dean Malenko, some fucking Savage, HBK, etc. Yeah make this DVD please.

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Why are people hating on the Brock return? The IWC was terrible when I joined in '07, I don't even go near the RAW section anymore as 90% of people in there are clueless.

At least most people in here are talking sense.
It's horrible.

As for Punk/Henry last night, I'd give it ***3/4 on initial viewing.
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who the hell can hate on Lesnar?
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GEEKS, that's who.
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I don't hate Lesnar but I am concerned with his return people forget the performance he put on Wrestlemania 20 the match was atrocious and considering the push he received and the money one would think he would have put in a little more effort I just hope he doesn't do it again
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Sorry to ask this again but does anybody know if the Bret Hart/Austin/Taker/Vader match from In Your House 13 and the main event from Survivor Series 2001 are on comps anywhere? Two of my fav matches and I dont want to buy those PPVs just for those matches. The IYH is about $30 used on VHS on amazon and you can get 2001 Survivor Series for about $30 used. Now I love 2001 Survivor Series but mostly because of that main event. Again sorry for the repeat question but I know there are some on here who know more about wrestling DVDs and have more comps than me.

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who the hell can hate on Lesnar?
Anyone with a decent memory who cares about more than a month of WWE's future.

Add his return to "Lord Tensai", & WWE is planning its future based largely on some of the worst of its past.
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My house gets a free PPV a month and I had nothing of any importance to do so I caved in and watched Mania. Warning: May sound like an anhedonic prick.

Bryan v Sheamus: I have nothing to say on this other than I agree with everyone else's thoughts (those who thought it was stupid and sucky, anyway).

Orton v Kane felt like a decent SmackDown main event. I'm not sure Randy's the guy to go for really great matches anymore but he's becoming more of a reliable go-to guy for good matches with just about anyone.

Rhodes v Show was pretty bad and Cody's reaching Miz levels of embarrassing. Awful smiling-to-serious faces and just a terrible actor. I was warming up to him starting last year's Mania when he was the demented video game character but since he took the mask off he's just been such a boring piece of nothing. Go away.

I'm not talking about any of the non-wrestling segments. Just garbage. How Edge was made to look like a bigger deal than the Four Horsemen during the HOF thing made me die a little inside.

Women tag: People were still chanting "Daniel Bryan" and "yes." People like Maria Manokukupopolis can't possibly feel good about appearing on this show and taking time away from those who've worked years for it, can they?

I.....didn't like Trip v Taker very much. Really didn't need 30 minutes, or any of the emotional stuff. Well, I guess it DID need emotional stuff, but I didn't need to like it. Shawn was awful. Looked like a frightened Southern bell, and a lot for what HHH did was odd too. He backed off at one point where Taker just looked at him or something, IDK. I'll happily call this a "good" match because the first fifteen or so minutes were nice brawl moments with some possible-suspense build and good spots (holy sheeeeet @ the spinebuster on the steps. Surprised Taker wasn't a veggie after that), but this felt cheesy and corny and there's no way I could buy it. I noticed some play-off things from last year, but I thought they missed some opportunities to do more; Hunter being in hell's gate and actually whopping Taker with the hammer would have been awesome. Overall, yeah, didn't really like this. Hunter's entrance thing was silly-looking. Cell was useless. Michaels sucked. I expect people to like this match, but I'm surprised anyone thinks Michaels did a good job here; he really, really sucked. And I like the guy a hell of a lot.

(awaits red reps)

Raw v SmackDown was laughable and I literally mean I laughed at how bad it was. I would re0watch this to see Mark Henry throw Hornswoggle and chuckle at the crop of jobbers they filled this match with. Raw's team captain didn't even get tagged in. I'd probably put this below Bryan v Sheamus.

Jericho v Punk wasn't four star+ to me, but it was really good and heads and shoulders above anything else on the show. IDK if I loved the DQ stuff but Jericho getting inside Punk's head and even begging to be hit with the chair was cool. Punk took some bumps in this, MAN. The outside suplex was pretty batty and then his head slings back when pulled from the top rope. I didn't notice how long Chris worked the back for but it didn't look terribly long at all so Punk not favouring it didn't stick with me. Final exchanges were some of the best possible counter-counter-counter wrestling you'd find and even if I want Punk v Henry I'll anticipate any crop of matches these two have.

Rock v Cena was good and I'd definitely call it #2 of the night. I was on the toilet for Cena's entrance, but Rock's but embarrassing. I'd be ashamed to walk out to the ring with that shit on- it looked like they were giving him a giant send-off because he was being killed immediately after the match. Like the Cell, I didn't think this match needed 30 minutes either. Rock v Hogan was half as long and felt way more "epic," and was just better in general (are people comparing the two yet?). The 30 minutes of this went by relatively quick, though so I'm not going to put forth complaints about this. Except the way they work holds. Bearhug looked shitty, headlock looked shitty, sharpshooter looked uber-shitty, and I wasn't digging the STF. Make no bones about it- this was good and my expectations weren't high so I wasn't at all disappointed. They busted out practically whatever they should have and Cena using the People's Elbow being his downfall was a great finish to run with.

Relatively bad show, but I don't regret watching it like last year so I guess that's something.


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KoK's Wrestlemania Main Event Rankings

The "BAD" Tier

28. WM XI: Bam Bam Bigelow vs Lawrence Taylor: **

27. WM VIII: Hulk Hogan vs Sid Justice: **

26. WM XXVII: The Miz vs John Cena: **

The "historical significance > match quality" tier

25. WM III: Hulk Hogan vs Andre the Giant: ** 1/4

24. WM I: Hulk Hogan & Mr. T vs Paul Orndorff/Roddy Piper: ** 1/4

The "Meh-to-decent" tier

23. WM XIII: Psycho Sid vs Undertaker: ** 1/4

22. WM X: Yokozuna vs Bret Hart: ** 1/2

21. WM IX: Yokozuna vs Bret Hart: ** 1/2

20. WM II: Hulk Hogan vs King Kong Bundy: ** 3/4

The "Great, but not Wrestlemania main event quality" tier

19. WM IV: "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Ted Dibiase: ***

18. WM XXI: Triple H vs Batista: ***

17. WM VII: Sgt. Slaughter vs Hulk Hogan: *** 1/4

16. WM XII: Bret Hart vs Shawn Michaels: *** 1/4

15. WM XXV: Triple H vs Randy Orton: *** 1/2

14. WM XVIII: Chris Jericho vs Triple H: *** 3/4

The "Main-Event Worthy" tier

13. WM XIV: Shawn Michaels vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin: ***3/4

12. WM XV: The Rock vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin: ****

11. WM XVI: Triple H vs Mick Foley vs The Big Show vs The Rock: ****

10. WM XXVIII: John Cena vs The Rock: ****

9. WM XXII: John Cena vs Triple H: ****

8. WM VI: Hulk Hogan vs The Ultimate Warrior: **** 1/4

7. WM XXIII: John Cena vs Shawn Michaels: **** 1/4

The "All-Time classic" tier

6. WM V: Hulk Hogan vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage: **** 1/4

5. WM XIX: Kurt Angle vs Brock Lesnar: **** 1/4

4. WM XXIV: Edge vs The Undertaker: **** 1/2

3. WM XVII: The Rock vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin: **** 3/4

The "Greatest Match Of All Time Contenders" Tier

2. WM XX: Triple H vs Shawn Michaels vs Chris Benoit: *****

1. WM XXVI: Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker: *****


There is my final list. The matches I'm expecting most of you to disagree with me on are the WM 2000 and WM 25 main events, perhaps even placing HHH vs Batista over Savage-Dibiase. At the end of the day, it's really just my opinion, you can make a list with BAM BAM/L.T number one as long as it's how you truly feel. Also, due to the atmosphere of these big-time matches, I found it hard to give any of these less than ** (maybe it's just me).

Here are a few interesting tidbits that I took from the list:

Most Overrated: WM 12 Ironman
Most Underrated: WM 2000 (yes I know it's overbooked to shit)
Best WM main event performer: Shawn Michaels(3 appearances in top 7)
Worst WM main event performer: SID (only counting multiple appearances)
Best ending: WM XXVI
Worst ending: WM XXVII (seriously, WTF)


Hope everybody enjoyed the list, anybody have any new suggestions for another one ? I still have lots more to contribute to this topic as well. Interested in others' rankings.
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Because I'm not a "TV MATCHES RULE. PPV SUCKS" guy. In fact, I'm probably the exact opposite. The grander the stage, the better the potential of the match (I say potential specifically b/c if they bomb, they'll bomb VERY BADLY e.g. Hulk/Sting).

Edit: Plus, I'm kinda beyond the point of caring about ring-work anymore. Storyline > Workrate.
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