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Old 10-26-2012, 07:43 AM   #7821 (permalink)
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Old 10-26-2012, 08:04 AM   #7822 (permalink)
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Benoit/Finlay Judgement Day is my favourite and what I consider to be the best of the Benoit/Finlay/Regal series from 06. Benoit/Regal No Mercy 2006 and Benoit/Finlay 5/5 Smackdown are probably dead even, but the hardway blood from the headbutts as well as the chops to the fucking cut from Benoit probably have me itching to rank Benoit/Regal just that little bit higher.

Benoit/Regal Velocity 2005 and No Mercy 2006 are practically the same match minus a couple of transitions, in that respect I've seen a few people rank the No Mercy match lower given they saw Velocity first. I'd probably still call No Mercy that little bit better, but its not like there's a massive difference in quality.

Eddie/Rey is the best of the lot though as mentioned. Wonderful chemistry, Eddie's character performance is at its peak and he adds so many unique touches whilst selling the match visually through his rapidly alterating emotions, whilst Rey sells as well as Rey may have ever sold. Its pretty much the match that shifts Guerrero's character past the point of redemption and transfixes him into an utter psychopath, and his performance at the Great American Bash a few weeks later isn't far off from his performance here: Joey Ryan wishes he could be as sleazy as Eddie was that night.

Now if you were to ask me which is better, Mysterio/Orton 4/7 or Benoit/Finlay Judgement Day then I'd be really stumped. Benoit/Finlay is far more akin to the style I prefer and has so many wonderful things going for it, but there's something about Mysterio/Orton that makes me want to rank it higher. Maybe its because it feels like a legit classic 'title match' not bogged down by interference and over-booking, and instead feels like a primetime wrestling contest for arguably the biggest prize in the game..I'm not sure.
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Had to rewatch it since the Game marks are upset at my snowflake rating. That's right Greg & Starbuck, I mean you damn cats.


WrestleMania 22:
John Cena vs Triple H ~ **



Ok. Bell rings and here we go. JR does his background check on the guys. Cena's is legit. H's is kayfabe. Funny. Crowd is going ape. I'll always enjoy the heat. Makes it that much better when Cena wins. H begins with the whole "schooling" stuff. This annoys me. Cena can wrestle. All because at this time Triple H's ego had him think he knew Cena's style already. He openly said that he thought Cena fuckin sucked around this time. Moron. So instead the match has to be worked like this to start. No other Cena matches have been up to this point. But, it's Triple H so things have to suit him of course. As I rant on the bastard he gets a chant from the fans. Funny how he goes face and eventually he'll get a "na na na" chant come Backlash 2009. Oh those fickle fans. Cena throws punches to finally get some form of an advatage. Strings together a couple of moves. King claims "Cena isn't the best wrestler but he can fight." JR gets mad at that and claims Cena can wrestle but he's only unorthodox. There you go, buddy. You tell em'. Some more clubberin happens. Cena sure changed the momentum of this quick. Then H uses a thumb to the eye to regain the advantage. Only for song long until he gets back dropped onto the steel ramp. More punches by Cena. Dammit John-boy do something else here. I'm putting you over. High knee counter by H. JR comments on the atmosphere and how great it is. Sure is. Match is beyond basic though. Which isn't always bad. In fact it can be awesome. Isn't doing much for me here however. Throw into the steps and another lag in the momentum occurs. Waiting for this match to remain constant with the flow. Triple H starts to put something together. Suplex, knee, massive slobberknocker of a clothesline. Neckbreaker. H presses the advantage for about the 4th nearfall. Ok, I get the story. It simply isn't doing anything for me. I might say that about 3 more times before I finish this. I count 2 so far. Redundant...oh well. Neck work is done on Cena. Don't think this goes anywhere other than to kill some time for Cena to attempt a comeback. Sleeperhold. JR puts over Triple H as some master mat technition. Ha. Oh Jim. That's one thing you say that I'll never understand. Cena kills H with a clothesline of us own. Punches and shit exchange. Powerslam. Jesus christ this match is like from the most generic playbook of a power guy from the 80's. I think that's why I don't care for it. I'll put over these fans again. Regardless of who they're rooting for it is one heck of an atmosphere. That's what is making this match worth something. Not nearly the match on it's own. Cena locks in the STFU for the first time. H worms his way to the ropes after a decent bit in the hold. Cena attempts an FU. Ref gets destroyed in the corner as well as low blowed. Oh boy, that's what this needs A REF BUMP. D-X crotch chop. Fans explode. Lolz it's amazing to me how this crowd is reacting to this match doing completely nothing. H gets his trusty sledgehammer, nails Cena with it, and only gets a 2. omg? JR puts over Cena's will to leave Mania with the gold. FU is hit..1...2...KICK OUT~! That was the obvious defining moment right there. Cena is flabbergasted that his finisher didn't take out dur game. Cena goes up top, that's unusual for this time. Goes for a crossbody and totally misses. Game attemps a pedigree, counter back into the STFU. Fans start to panic as this is the second time and could really be the end. H starts to fade. Ref checks his arms, he survives the third drop. H reaches for the rope....only to eventually tap out. Sheesh that flew on by.

Yep, not much in that match. Crowd was a lot more entertaining than I remember. That alone helped me find a bit more enjoyment in this. I still think that match is fairly weak. Stick that match in front of a mediocre or solid crowd and it isn't enough for me to care. Can't say the story was really that in depth either. Their Night of Champions 2008 match demolishes this and then some. That's where these guys really hit their mark.


I bumped it up to **. It's now considered "average" by the rating term. That's only because of how much the crowd made it feel like something special when it really wasn't. Glad something decided to make me re-up the match back to **. Was a bit annoyed that I put this in the same area as HHH/Orton WM 25. That match is obviously inferior regardless of how much I put down Cena/HHH. It fuckin sucks. Now I'll put Cena/HHH over HHH/Batista as well. HHH/Batista is another one I never liked. Plus, the better snowflake on this helps Cena out on my dossier of him. Fuck Triple H though.
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Heard a lot of Orton/Rey April 7th 06 talk recently. Am I the only one who thinks their NWO match is superior? ***3/4 for the SD match, ****1/4 for the NWO match. Not THAT much of a difference, but I clearly think one is better than the other. For those who don't agree, does the Eddie stuff slightly hinder your opinion on the NWO match? Normally things like that imo shouldn't get in the way of a match, but in this instance I can definitely accept people not enjoying the match as much as perhaps they should due to the Eddiesplotation stuff. For me I think it adds to the whole story of the match and even going into WM. Just a shame the WM match was as bad as it was.
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Nah, Cena vs Triple H sucks.

FINALLY, you and TripleG are the only other people I know who don't like that match. Praise the lawd.
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:08 AM   #7826 (permalink)
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Heard a lot of Orton/Rey April 7th 06 talk recently. Am I the only one who thinks their NWO match is superior? ***3/4 for the SD match, ****1/4 for the NWO match. Not THAT much of a difference, but I clearly think one is better than the other. For those who don't agree, does the Eddie stuff slightly hinder your opinion on the NWO match? Normally things like that imo shouldn't get in the way of a match, but in this instance I can definitely accept people not enjoying the match as much as perhaps they should due to the Eddiesplotation stuff. For me I think it adds to the whole story of the match and even going into WM. Just a shame the WM match was as bad as it was.
I can do without the Eddie stuff, especially when it just got overdone to almost everything Rey did/said. But NWO is a damn great match in its own right with/without the Eddie storyline. I've just always found Orton far better in the Smackdown title match, especially the way he utilises the headlocks to ground and contain Rey, and find Mysterio to be as good/if not better than he was at NWO. They've clearly got great chemistry, but something about the April 7th match stands out to me as convincingly their best match, like everything just clicked from the beginning, to Orton's transition, to teasing Rey's comeback to the finishing stretch. Think it comes across as just a more straight orientated wrestling match with Rey out to beat Orton as he knows that will hurt Orton more instead of trying to maim him, and Orton is at his sleazy and cocky best but is still determined to win the championship he feels Mysterio is holding for him.

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I can certainly accept that reasoning. I think I probably like NWO more because of how much of a prick Orton is in it. Match is more character driven than the SD match which might be the better "wrestling" match.

Wrestling needs more PICKS. And DICKS.
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Really enjoyed this match tbh, can't remember seeing back in the day, great at the end with Lesnar facing off to Rocky as he's in the crossface, oh and Hogan lamping Brock with the chair........think Brock gets his revenge on that one!!!
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I can certainly accept that reasoning. I think I probably like NWO more because of how much of a prick Orton is in it. Match is more character driven than the SD match which might be the better "wrestling" match.

Wrestling needs more PICKS. And DICKS.
I do love the finish of NWO and Rey's dejection afterwards. I'd probably agree the NWO match is more character/angle driven especially with Rey's approach to the match, its probably the Great American Bash Eddie/Rey whereas the Smackdown match feels more akin to the 6/23 SD encounter.
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It got bumped up to **. YEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! My life is complete.

I think your problem lies in the fact that the crowd were shitting on Cena and treating Trips like a GAWD tbh. Don't know why though. It came back to bite them at the end when he tapped which makes the whole thing that much better if you ask me.
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