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Old 10-26-2012, 04:32 AM   #7811 (permalink)
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When looking at the history of wrestling, in terms of things like match quality, I think we're moving towards a direction that baseball is now, in terms of it's "Live Ball" era. Because, if we judged pitchers by ERA and wins, then all of the pitchers in the Live Ball Era (which ended in what, 30s or so) would just be substantially better. The game isn't the same. Look at football, last year there were all of a sudden like 3 guys who broke 5,000 yards passing, and breaking Marino's record. Sports evolve. And, sure enough, so does wrestling. If you get a group of 12 year olds, who watch the current product, I'd bet they'd be bored out of their minds watching Jake the Snake or Savage/Steamboat. The way that WWE constructs a match in the ring, and how they produce Monday Night Raw has become so rich in just sheer product value, with fancy sets and fireworks and high definition this and that. It's grown into a very contemporary, almost foreign concept to a lot of people. (Now, duh, I know that wrestling evolves like this throughout history all the time, and I could be overreacting, but it reminds me of when the Nintendo 64 followed up the Super Nintendo, and everybody was like WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS because the leap was incredible).

It reminds me of at my old job, I'd talk to one of the janitors every now and then, and he had to have been around 50, give or take a bunch. Ambiguous stage. Anyways, he became aware that I was a fan of pro wrestling, and he came and talked about it with me, and would drop names like Lou Thesz, and he talked about how it was just a soap opera, "they're all actors now". Now perhaps we could suffice to say that wrestlers, even in the 50s, were actors. But these guys have lines and do skits and don't even have real matches sometimes. It's just totally not the same, not at all, to him. So I find it really difficult to compare a lot of matches from era to era (The Barry Bonds versus Babe Ruth argument, sans roids if you want) because they're so different. Apples and Oranges. Brock Lesnar in a 1927 ring would be an alien. It would be the most extraordinary thing they'd seen.

I guess this is my really roundabout way of saying that I have trouble comparing WrestlemMania main events circa, 2009, versus WrestleMania main events circa, 1985. The product is better now, also because of the in-ring athleticism as well as medical science supporting these guys, things that are clear advantages of our era. No?

That being said, top Mania main events consist of
1. Benoit-HBK-HHH Mania 20

BAM!
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Lesnar DVD is out early in the UK. I'm selling my copy on ebay if anyone is interested http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=290800904792
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How come you are selling your copy? I thought you liked to own a copy of everything?

Top 5 WM Main Events:

1. Undertaker Vs HBK WM 26 - *****
2. HHH Vs HBK Vs Benoit WM XX - ****3/4
3. Undertaker Vs Edge WM 24 - ****1/2
4. Austin Vs Rock WM 17 - ****1/2
5. Uhhhh... no idea tbh. About 3 candidates that I can't decide between.

Need to rewatch HHH/Cena. Been putting it off for a while now. Skipped past it when I watched WM for my Raw 06 project because I just couldn't be arsed. Its like I know I won't enjoy it or something lol.
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I already had it pre-ordered from Amazon in the US and it seems it might be too late to cancel it
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If you had it pre-ordered from Amazon... then why did you buy it somewhere else?
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Cos it was going to save me waiting two weeks to get it but I should of checked I could cancel the other one first.
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I guess this is my really roundabout way of saying that I have trouble comparing WrestlemMania main events circa, 2009, versus WrestleMania main events circa, 1985. The product is better now, also because of the in-ring athleticism as well as medical science supporting these guys, things that are clear advantages of our era. No?

That being said, top Mania main events consist of
1. Benoit-HBK-HHH Mania 20

BAM!
Some flaws to that. First being I wouldn't say this era has better wrestling every single time over any past decades. Are you aware of how much awesome stuff occured in the 80's & early 90's? Second, anyone who is comparing a match from the 80's in a list with matches from 2000's knows about the x-factors that make matches strong in those respective times. Nobody, I like to think nobody, will watch a match from WrestleMania 2 in 1986 for example and try to compare it to a match from WrestleMania 22 in 2006 and think the modern one is better simply because the style worked in 2006 is what said person is used to. That's bogus.

Another flaw to what you stated is when a match from the 80's or 90's blows away a match of similar means from the last 10 years. And trust me there are plenty that do. So what then? It's a fluke that the older match happened to be better? I don't think so. The wrestling biz does evolve. You aren't wrong there. We all know that. But, it's not illogical to compare matches from various decades such as the WrestleMania main events list does. Especially when an older match could trump a modern match a la Hogan/Warrior WrestleMania 6 over Triple H/Orton WrestleMania 25.
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Cena/HHH *1/2? Hart/Michaels DUD? C'mon, Cody. Shock value reviews at their finest.

I enjoyed Cena/HHH a ton (aside from the outcome). It was billed as Cena's first big test, and whether people like it or not, HHH has always been portrayed as a mastermind in the ring. Him making Cena look like fool at the outset - much to the adoration of the crowd - fit the mold perfectly. Then Cena proved he could hang with The Game and found his stride, ultimately becoming solidified as the man by making H tap out. I thought the simple story told itself. And pretty well.
Cena/Trips is great. The story is simple but they work it extremely well. I don't see how it can be said that nothing happens in the match. Plenty happened. They worked from this being Cena's first test on the big stage against the top dog, HHH schooling Cena, Cena's shock, Cena overcoming that shock, Cena proving he could hang but hitting his best move and still being unable to get the job done with the FU. Then he goes to the top rope and King mentions how he's being forced to go outside the norm because this isn't just any match, it's a Mania main event against Triple H dammit! I like how they recalled this back in the NOC match where Cena tries to go for the 5 knuckle shuffle 3 times and each attempt he's taking more and more time, giving HHH a chance to recover and he does. King asks if Cena's forgetting who he's in the ring with etc. Hunter hitting the spinebuster as a reversal to the 5 knuckle shuffle was the first time anybody had reversed it at that time imo. Then the utter shock of HHH tapping out, the fans reactions are priceless lol. All that and the actual atmosphere, plus the story being told make it a great match and severely underrated, especially if people are giving it *1/2....

When I get the money, I'll buy the Lesnar BluRay. Maybe for Xmas lol.
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So has there been any news regarding now UK folks will get future WWE DVDs once SIlverVision stops distributing? I'm interested in the RAW 1000 but have no idea how to get it. I don't want to have to buy a multi region Blu Ray player.
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Nah, Cena vs Triple H sucks.

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