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explain what was bad about this raw that mattered in the grand scheme of the show.

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Lesnar return was great. Complaint:

Jesus does Michael Cole suck. I didn't expect anything better, but he is just as unbearable an announcer as I've heard. I at least thought he would have enough common sense to shut the fuck up like the other commentators were doing and let the moment speak for itself. Imagine that moment without any commentary. WWE keeping Cole employed for fifteen years baffles me.

Didn't love Cena smiling, either. His upcoming promo will probably be full of "he got me! ahaha" bullshit. If Cena v Lesnar is the feud I would like it to be completely devoid of willy jokes and kept serious.

Overall, though, awesome moment, awesome pop. You have grown men in the crowd imitating Brock's bouncing and flex poses. You've done GOOD.

Watched the return on YT; I'll watch the full show when it airs here tomorrow so I can see Danielson and Punk v Henry.

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I'm still dumbfounded watching the Undertaker/Hunter match. It was unbelievably emotional and the storyline they channeled in did signify the "end of an era." Does that mean all of the three are retired now? Is this the last match of both Undertaker and Hunter's career? They left it open because I don't think they want to do a "coming out of retirement" angle in the future.

Personally, I liked last year's match slightly more. Both are true WrestleMania classics and Undertaker's last four WrestleMania matches have been magnificent in all aspects and each has been different than the other.

Speechless is all I can say, although I did say more. The match left me speechless when it ended. It is indeed amazing to watch both these legends pull-off such incredibly awesome matches during the fag end of their careers. On a different note, it was so nostalgic watching three of WWE's truly great wrestlers.

**** 3/4

For now, that's my rating. I'll watch it again and it may bump up into a full five. Thank you Triple H and the Undertaker.

Heck, screw that, I'm going to give it the full five now--just so that it was so emotional. There you go...
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As excited as I am that Lesnar back, what the hell are they doing to Cena? He's getting his ass kicked all year long by everyone. I mean seriously, I get that there are big plans at work but for the number 1 guy, Cena sure is getting his ass kicked ALOT

As for Lesnar, I hope he's back full time. By which I mean, PPVs and RAW at times. I know he hates the road no obviously no house shows, but a consistent schedule would be awesome

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Originally Posted by mrchrisieclass View Post
Raw was sh!t hot tonight-are you sure you are a pro-wrestling fan? there was nothing to dislike!
Exactly this. Every argument those nitcpicky IWC members love to bring up I covered in my sort of in-depth personal opinions on RAW last night.

The WWE is like a fricking abuse partner, I can't stay mad at it because it treats so damn good at the same time. First off, I would like to apologise formy prickish behaviour the past 24 hours. I was a victim of my own belief. Everytime someone would bitch bout something WWE did I often said "Just shut up and wait till it plays out" and that's what I was supposed to do, and I didn't.

RAW was great tonight. I was entertained for the entire two hours. The lowest point of the show for me was probably the shit with Ziggler but it was entertaining and is the farthest thing from a burial.

-First off I would like to say the crowd tonight was hot!! I don't know if The Rock pumped them up at beginning but damn they were on fire. The "Yes" chants (And "No" and "Si" chants lol) were really funny and the "Daniel Bryan" were running strong. WWE unintentionally (probably intentionally for all I know, WWE is a fricking machine) made Daniel Bryan a damn star!
-Lord Tensai, I have some mixed reactions.It's still to early too tell but I liked what I saw. I have to give it to WWE though. I thought it was going to be a squash match. I was like "Really old ass Albert is now gonna bury the young guys"but boy was I ever wrong. Both Tensai and Riley came out looking strong.
-Eve is actually, strangely enough, a reason for me to watch RAW. She plays her role to perfection
-Zack Ryder/Miz was not a burial at all. Ryder got in some great offense and it was a damn good match.
-CM Punk vs Mark Henry was storytelling at its best. Enjoyed that match a lot. And hot damn, this shit just got intense. Jericho and Punk are gonna kill each other at Extreme Rules
-Sheamus despite kicking Del Rio's head off still gets booed lol. I'm not even worried for D-Bryan, I know he's gonna be fitted back into the equation.
-Props to Cena for putting over Daniel Bryan. Even the crowd had to applaud him for it (before going back to booing him). I really hope this is the end of Rock/Cena because HOLY FUCKING SHIT BROCK LESNAR! Forget what I said bout him earlier today, make it happen WWE. Summerslam 2012, Brock Lesnar vs John Cena. This is more of a dream match than Rock/Cena. We always knew one day Rock would come back but did anyone expect Lesnar to?

All in all great RAW. I can't even think of one single bad moment. From now on, I think I'm done with the bitch fits. People, let thins play out. I keep saying (but like I keep forgetting it as well) WWE is a fricking machine. This RAW is definitely the best RAW of the year.Loved every moment of it. Can't wait for next week

The parts that I bolded are oviously points people bring up when discussing RAW, that I obviously have logical counters to.

Oh and @redeadening after the awesomeness of the moment had worn off I too was like, damn what's up with Cena being everyone's bitch lately. But I live by the motto of "Shut the fuck up and wait for it to all play out, then complain if you have to"

EDIT:And just what the heck is that guy complaining about lack of wrestling? The triple threat was fun, so too was Miz/Ryder and CM Punk/Henry was a really, really good match. Sometimes I wonder what the heck else more you can ask for. Do these people expect 2 hours of non-stop wrestling?

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WWE WrestleMania 28 01/04/2012

On paper, a pretty great looking card. Watching it live, it was a fun event mostly and I enjoyed most of the matches. Now to see how things hold up on a re-watch and after I've had some time to digest everything.

Daniel Bryan Vs Sheamus - World Heavyweight Championship

I was looking forward to this match. Out of the 15 I spend to watch WM live, 5 of it went on this match. What a waste of fucking money.

So the bell rings, and Bryan wants AJ to give him a good luck kiss before they officially get into it. They kiss, and Bryan turns around into a kick to the face and is pinned, losing the WHC. What a load of fucking bullshit.

Now, this MIGHT very well lead to something good, with Bryan's character developing even more than it already has in the last few months. It might lead to somewhere truly great, and that's, well, great. But that's no excuse for doing this at WRESTLEMANIA. Do it on SD. Do it at a "B" PPV like Extreme Rules. But don't do it at WRESTLEMANIA. Can I get my 5 back? And while I'm at it, I paid 7.50 to see this match last year too and it didn't even fucking happen on the show. I had to buy the show again on Bluray to see it.

Rating: DUD

Kane Vs Randy Orton

Kane shook Orton's hand last year so now they need to have a match at WM. Totally understandable...

I was actually surprised by this match; it didn't suck. Kane since his return really hasn't looked that good, but here at WM he looked better than he has in a while.

Orton kept trying to go full speed ahead but Kane would absorb everything thrown at him and then nail Randy with one big powerful looking move, allowing him to wear down the Viper and control the match.

This is WrestleMania though, and Orton just keeps coming back again and again, forcing Kane to take bigger chances such as attempting the clothesline from the top rope which doesn't go as well as he'd hoped. Neither does the chokeslam, with Randy being able to kick out!

So if the chokeslam don't work, what do you do? Super chokeslam! Was actually expecting Orton to reverse this into an RKO ala WM 21, but damn, Kane actually hit it AND got the 3 count! I legit thought Kane stood no chance of winning a WrestleMania match against a guy like Orton, but he did it. Which I guess means a re-match at Extreme Rules. Not fussed about this "feud" continuing, but it keeps Orton out of the title picture for a little while longer and with a stipulation they could have another good match.

All in all, solid stuff here. Kane actually looked good, Orton in a loss still looked good as it took a super chokeslam to beat him AND he never hit the RKO so we don't know for sure if Kane would have been able to kickout of it had he landed it.

Rating: **3/4

Cody Rhodes Vs The Big Show - Intercontinental Championship

One of the few matches on this show with a decent build up, and honestly Cody was the one carrying the feud with his promos and the video packages of Show's embarrassing WM moments lol.

This one goes exactly as I thought it would; Show starts dominant, Cody finds an opening for a little while, then Show mauls Cody and wins. I just hoped that Cody would find a way to retain the title because Show doesn't need it in the slightest, and I don't see Cody going into the main event scene just yet so taking the title from him was pointless. Unless he moves to Raw and does something with the US belt before that dies completely (Santino has it still, right? Urgh).

Best part of this match was Show spearing Cody in the balls.

Luckily this isn't too long (though they might as well have had this go as long as the WHC match with Show just knocking out Cody, so the WHC match could have actually been a match). Its not BAD, but its short and there isn't much to it so I can't call it good either. Just kinda there, not annoying me, but entertaining me a little.

Rating: *3/4

Kelly Kelly & Maria Menounos Vs Beth Phoenix & Eve

Literally had no idea what this match was happening or who Maria was going into WM. Luckily they showed up a video of how the match was set up. Was fucking awful lol. Such bad acting by everyone. And I still don't really know who Maria is. Gotta love WWE getting someone with main stream appeal!

I will give Maria come credit though. Had I not watched WWE for a few months and then just randomly saw this match without seeing the "build up" video, I would have assumed she was a normal diva, because she's about as untalented as everyone else.

Kelly Kelly and Maria win, because Maria is a "celebrity" and they can't possibly have a celeb lose a match.

Rating: 1/4*

The Undertaker Vs Triple H - Special Guest Referee: Shawn Michaels - Hell in a Cell Match

Fuck. Yes. This is where another 5 went lol. Awesome that JR got to call the match, and they actually didn't ruin it by playing up on all the shit between him and Cole. In fact, Cole was toned down a TON all night, which was awesome. He's decent when he isn't being a retard.

The build up to this one hasn't been epic, but I have enjoyed it more than any other WM match build this year. The whole "uncertainty" angle with Undertaker was a great way to set up the re-match imo. I remember listening to a radio show with JR, and the host summed up this angle in a great way. Its just like Rocky II. Undertaker is Apollo Creed, and he wants the rematch because, and I quote "I won but I didn't BEAT him". And that's just perfect for this. Undertaker got the win last year, but he was unable to leave the ring on his own and wasn't able to return until a year later. So he wants another shot at HHH to prove that he CAN beat The Game and not JUST win the match.

Undertaker's coat looks epic btw. And his new hair cut reveal isn't nearly as bad as I was thinking. I was expecting him to be completely bald and clean shaven on top of his head, but its grown back a little and he even has a slight Mohawk going that actually adds to his new look.

The cell lowers to the sound of Metallica, and I have to wonder what shitty generic rock music they'll replace it with when they release the show on DVD/Bluray. Seriously, why bother getting music like that for JUST the one night and not including it on the DVD/Bluray releases? They've done it before in the part, but now they replace anything they don't already own the rights to.

Last year, Triple H ran straight into The Undertaker to start the match and would be the one to control the pace and the match for the most part. This year, Undertaker has something to prove to himself and to HHH, so HE starts the match on fire and takes the fight right to HHH, showing him that the beating he took last year isn't going to happen again; at least, not to HIM.

I've been reading Mick Foley's first book as of late, and there is a chapter where he talks a little about the best way to bust someone open "the hard way". It involves targeting the spot just above the eyebrow... and about 3 minutes into this match I noticed that Undertaker starts targeting that exact spot with a couple of right hands and a few headbutts! Blood might be a big no-no in WWE these days, but hey, if someone is "accidentally" busted open, they can't be punished, right? Besides, who the FUCK is going to come down to the ring and stop a Hell in a Cell match between HHH and THE UNDERTAKER? Nobody with a brain.

The match slows down a little for a while now unfortunately. The match is inside the cell so I guess they figure they should do SOMETHING with it, and that ends up as nothing more than throwing each other into the side of it a couple of times. There really was no need to put this contest inside HIAC. I think they did it just to say that HHH and Undertaker finally had a HIAC match.

Things pick up again when HHH tries to get himself back into the match with a quick DDT. He attempts a Pedigree on the steel steps that Undertaker brought in the ring, but a back body drop puts a stop to that. A nice little callback spot I guess you could say from their previous match, except last year it was a table HHH got back dropped.

Another callback spot from last year with HHH hitting a brutal AA Spinebuster, except its the steel steps once again standing in for the table and damn does it look and sound a hell of a lot worse than last year! A desperate Undertaker sees an opportunity to use Hells Gate, but HHH has it scouted and is able to power Undertaker up and set him crashing to the mat! Undertaker's back has taken some punishment now, so its time for the cerebral assassin to do what he does best; go to work on an injured body part.

Time for the HBK factor to get involved in the match, with HHH brutalising The Undertaker with a steel chair, causing Shawn to show some concern for the man who ended his career. Triple H tells Shawn to end it, to ring the bell and stop the suffering of one of the biggest legends, or else HE'LL end it, and it won't be as quick and painless as ringing a bell. Undertaker makes damn sure to tell Shawn not to end it, which just infuriates HHH to the point where he brings out his trusty Sledgehammer to finish the job.

HBK gets involved again, actually preventing HHH from smashing the sledgehammer down on the head of the Dead Man. Instead he looks like he's going to ring the bell, a way he sees best to prevent HHH from not just beating HHH, but ENDING him. But its WrestleMania, and The Undertaker isn't going to let a match end like this any time, never mind HIS show. And if Shawn is considering ringing the bell, Undertaker believes he needs to take out Shawn, and he locks in the Hells Gate! With Shawn gone, HHH is next to feel the pain of Hells Gate, and just like the end of last year's match, HHH does his best to use the sledgehammer but he passes out from the pain! This one is OVER! Except... HBK is still out!

Another referee runs down as Undertaker levels HHH with a Chokeslam, and we get probably the biggest near fall a Chokeslam has gotten in quite some time, as HHH was still out from the Hells Gate and might not have been able to kick out. The referee suffers for only making a 2 count, and then...

SWEET CHIN MUSIC! SWEET CHIN MUSIC! HBK kicks Undertaker's teeth down his throat, and sends him straight into a Pedrigee! Its over! Its over! NO!!! Undertaker WILL NOT DIE!

Triple H goes back to the trusty Sledgehammer, but Undertaker sits up and nearly scares HHH into submission! Its almost like Undertaker is remembering everything that happened to him last year, and its firing him up more than ever before! Tombstone! HBK makes the count... only 2! Shawn is GREAT here as he sits in the corner looking like an emotional wreck, knowing he almost screwed Undertaker out of his streak, and almost counted out his best friend in this "end of an era" match.

We get a great battle from both men as they throw big lefts and rights at each other to the "yey!" and "boo!" of the crowd, with them starting off on their knees before staggering up and continuing it on their feet. PEDIGREE! Another 2 count, and Shawn looks like he just wants this one to end so nobody has to get hurt any more.

With both men hurting badly, they begin to crawl to separate weapons. Undertaker goes for a chair, and HHH for his sledgehammer. A great visual as Undertaker has the chair in his hand, and stands on the sledgehammer before HHH can pick it up. All the chair shots Undertaker received earlier are now fresh in his mind, and similar to the HIAC match with Edge back in 2008, Undertaker looks now to give everything back to his opponent and then some. Chairshots the head have been outlawed in WWE, but the way these two have been swinging the chair for just back shots more than makes up for it. These are hard and every bit as brutal as a chair shot to the head would be.

The match now really is a reverse of last year; Undertaker has destroyed HHH with chair shot after chair shot and is screaming at HHH to stay down, but like Undertaker last year, HHH refuses to, even though he has almost nothing left. Another tremendous visual moment as HHH charges at Undertaker one last time with the sledgehammer, only for Undertaker to put a stop to it and shake his head. HHH, like his best friend HBK 2 years earlier, is defiant to the end and essentially forces Undertaker to finish him because there really is no other way. Another Tombstone, and this one is over. The Undertaker is able to put his year of uncertainty behind him as he not only won, but he BEAT Triple H.

The stuff that follows the match is really fucking great too. We have Undertaker and Shawn hugging, as Undertaker breaks away from his "Dead Man" character as much as possible without being Mark Calaway. And it was great to see Undertaker and HBK help HHH up and WALK him up the ramp to the back. Almost like Undertaker didn't want HHH to go through what he went through last year. It might not have been on his own, but dammit, HHH WALKED out of WrestleMania. As JR put it, "That ladies and gentlemen, is respect". This really was an end of an era, because its going to be a long damn time before anything like this is going to be able to take place in WWE.

This was incredible. Better than last year. If it wasn't for the part near the beginning of the match slowing things down and not really going anywhere, I'd throw the full ***** at it. This is one hell of a way to finish the incredible story arc that in a way began at WrestleMania 24 with HBK ending the career of Ric Flair. It really doesn't get any better than this.

Rating: ****3/4

Team Johnny: David Otunga, Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger, Drew McIntyre, Mark Henry & The Miz Vs Team Teddy: Santino Marella, Kofi Kongston, R-Truth, The Great Khali, Booker T & Zack Ryder - Winning GM gains control of both Raw and Smackdown

Team Teddy is the worst team of all time. Not one guy worth a damn. Luckily Team Johnny has some talented guys who can take great bumps and hopefully make this match interesting.

I mentioned earlier about Cole on commentary actually being decent as he wasn't playing up on his heel persona, and King wasn't bitching at him much either. Unfortunately this match is where things go to hell a little bit as they start their bitching at each other because Cole is on Team Johnny's side and Lawler is on Long's. And from there we get the typical "Be a STAR, not a bully... unless it involves Vickie Guerrero" bullshit and some pointless arguing between the announcers lol.

The actual match is... well its not bad, and has a few fun moments. Too much talent involved and not enough time (though believe me, given most of the guys involved I wouldn't want this to last half an hour lol) for them to really get things going and to have a full on match. But what they give us is pretty fun for the most part at least. Heart skipped a beat when Santino was left along in the ring with Miz and hit the Cobra. Thank fuck for Ziggler. Not just for breaking up the 3 count, but in general .

And thank fuck Team Johnny won, and LOL at Eve causing Zack to be the one to lose, then kicking him in the balls for being such a retarded fuck. He deserved everything he got tbh. She played him, was after Cena... then when Cena turned her down she went back to Zack and his cock took over his brain and he let her back in his life even though she was still shitting all over him. Moron.

So yeah. Fun mostly, but nothing much else. The right team won. Had low expectations for this so I was more surprised with how much fun it was than disappointed with the fact it wasn't technically "good". I'd rather watch this than a lot of WM 27.

Rating: **

CM Punk Vs Chris Jericho - WWE Championship

And here is where my last 5 went. Yep, I didn't pay to see Cena/Rock. I'll talk more about that when I get to it though.

Before the match, Punk is backstage and runs into Johnny, who adds the stipulation that if Punk loses his cool and gets DQ'd, he also loses the WWE Title. Punk does his best to look... pissed off? I dunno. His facial expressions as of late have been fucking horrible lol, making me want to laugh during this feud more than anything. Jericho added to that with his hilarious dick headed comments about Punk's family. Wrestling needs more dick head heels btw. Been watching a bunch of ROH stuff from Joe and Danielson and KENTA in 06 when Bryan was a heel and the other 2 were... I dunno, tweeners maybe, and all 3 just act like complete DICKS to each other and it makes their matches, be it singles, tag or triple thread, so much fucking fun. So yeah. More dick heads in wrestling please! Austin Aries in TNA is one of the best things going right now because of the way he acts tbh.

The match begins with some nice little mat work, with both men wanting to prove that they are the best in the world. But Punk has more on his mind; he wants to beat the hell out of Jericho as well. Jericho sees this, and goes to work...

The new stipulation allows Punk and Jericho to add a little something more to their match here. Jericho gets to be a DICK and its just great to watch. With the title now being able to change hands on a DQ, Jericho decides he's going to make Punk so mad he'll get himself DQ'd and literally hand the belt to Chris.

It starts off with a couple of slaps, but that doesn't seem to be getting the job done. So Jericho brings up Punk's Dad, but again Punk is able to cool himself off and not fully lose control. Time to bring out the Sister card, and again Punk goes crazy but pulls himself together before before he does something he'll regret. Jericho literally BEGS Punk to hit him in the head with a chair, and its just awesome. He's so fucking happy as he does it too. Only Funk and Foley come to mind when I think about people smiling and begging to be hit with a chair lol.

When it becomes obvious Punk isn't going to get himself DQ'd, Jericho has to out-wrestle Punk in order to win, and luckily for him all the things he has been saying has caused Punk to lose focus. Love the transition spot into Jericho's "wrestling" part of the match. The suplex from the ring to the outside was a hell of a manly bump.

We get some really nice back work from Chris, and the spot where Jericho throws Punk off the ropes is great due to the slow motion replay and both Cole and Lawler just going "oh MAN" at the same time while watching it. Looked sick in slow motion.

Punk makes his comeback and the match becomes more of a back and forth even contest which fits in nicely with the story of both men claiming to be the best in the world. Only real complaint I have here is how Punk shrugs off the back work completely. Didn't expect him to sell his back like death for the rest of the match, especially since Jericho doesn't go back to it aside from the Walls of Jericho, but damn, one minute Punk is having his back worked over, and the next he's fighting back and acting like nothing happened at all lol.

Anyone else for a moment thought that Jericho was going to hit the Styles Clash when he countered a Hurricanrana into a Walls of Jericho? Just me? Ah well lol.

I love how they transition seamlessly from the back and forth stuff into a finishing stretch, and do it without completely killing the concept of finishers too. I think Punk kicks out of a Codebreaker ONCE, and only because he had time to rest and recover before Jericho made the cover, and in a big match at WM that's kinda to be expected, and in this match it really works into the story of both men being the best in the world and having what it takes to kick out of such things.

They really work their submissions beautifully in the match too. Jericho finding a way out of the Anaconda Vice by using his knees is great, and then Punk finding a way to counter the counter which results in Jericho having to tap is even better.

Totally loved this match. Great storytelling, starting out with Jericho trying to get Punk to lose his temper and get DQ'd, then moving onto both men just trying to prove they are the best in the world. Prefer Undertaker/HHH to it, but I've come to expect that I'll like "big" Undertaker matches more than most people, and I can certainly see a lot of people thinking this was the best match of the night and other than my personal preference for Undertaker/HHH I'd find it hard to come up with much of a reason to disagree. Blew my expectations away, which were a little low as I didn't want to be disappointed and I honestly doubted both men a little in their ability to have a truly great match with each other. Luckily they proved me wrong!

Rating: ****1/2

John Cena Vs The Rock

Urgh. It always sucks a little when they most hyped up match for WrestleMania doesn't interest you in the slightest. I don't like The Rock. Never have. I'm not one of those people who bitches because he left for Hollywood. I like that he left for Hollywood because it meant he wasn't on my wrestling show any more. I don't care much for Cena. I'm not one of those people who thinks he can't wrestle in the slightest or have good matches, I just don't enjoy his character. Even as the rapper. I've just never connected with Cena, but I've always at least been able to enjoy his matches when they have been good, and yeah, he's got a bunch of them. Same can be said for The Rock, I like a bunch of his matches too.

Unfortunately I just can't find any motivation to give a shit about this match. I don't like either guy, I don't like their characters, and the build up to this one has been atrocious. Absolutely atrocious. They had an ENITRE YEAR to build this one up, and it consisted of the same old shit from both men over and over again. Oh, The Rock left and I'm always here. Well, Cena is a fruity pebble and a *insert takeaway food here* bitch. A year of THAT. It wasn't good, clever or funny the first time they did it. Why would it be any of that the next billion times they said it? I hear people say that feuds these days are too short and in the good old days they could last a year blah blah blah. Well in this day and age its impossible to keep things going for a long time because a) there is far more programming than there was 20 years ago, and b) creative struggle to come up with an interesting angle that last longer than a fucking week. And that's all this one was; a week's worth of ideas on repeated for a fucking year. As I write this, I haven't had the chance to see Raw yet (Its Tuesday afternoon), so I don't know what might have happened there, but I have to say, I fucking HOPE they don't announce a rematch because I don't know if I could take this boring, shitty, uncreative feud any more.

Nice to see that both guys get extremely long and shitty entrances from so called "singers" that I've never heard of and for good reason because they suck, while the WHC match got 18 seconds. Once again, FUCK YOU, ROCK. Your shitty boring pointless promo last year at WM prevented Bryan/Sheamus from happening on the show, and this year your shitty boring pointless entrance took away all but 18 seconds from Bryan/Sheamus. And fuck you too, Cena. And Vince McMahon.

Now I have that out of my system, time to watch the match. Urgh.

Collar and Elbow tie ups to start things off, with Cena powering Rock across the ring the first time, kinda like he was saying "LOL @ Teh Moviez Star". Then Rock powers Cena across the ring with the second one as if to say "I may have been to Hollywood, but I'm as much of a wrestler as you as, so don't take me lightly, bitch". Then Rock busts out some ZOMGWRESTLING moves that shocks Cena and almost catches him off guard so much he almost gets pinned!

Cena is getting frustrated, but takes a time out and this allows him to regain his composure and when he gets back into the ring, he is able to take control of the match by targeting Rock's ribs and utilises the bear hug. Unfortunately these bear hug spots are as dull as shit and damn, I know wrestling is "fake" but come on, if you are going to talk to each other in holds, try and do it quietly lol. Takes away from the match a little, and believe me, I'm not into the match that much to begin with .

After a while they take turns at hitting finishers, which breaks up the dull fest of bear hugs nicely, and then Cena goes back to controlling Rocky followed by a Rock control segment which involves his terrible attempt at a Sharpshooter.

Speaking of shitty attempts at submission holds... STFU! More god awful, dull and shitty submission spots from Cena. This match is way too long.

We go into the finishing stretch now, and its finishers for the most part, which I'm fine with because its a "huge" match and nobody is going to buy either of these being beaten by just ONE finisher. Rock goes to the ropes at one point, and in a nice throwback to his early days, lands a crossbody! But Cena rolls throw and hits the FU (or AA, whatever)! Legit thought this was it, but Rock kicked out and then I remembered something; movie stars always win! And yeah, Rock wins. Rock Bottom while Cena mocks Rock by attempting the People's Elbow.

So its finally over. The whole "Once in a lifetime" stuff better be fucking true because I don't want to see this match again as long as I live. It went on WAY too long, and if it wasn't for the crowd I probably would have shot myself half way through. Rock/Hogan not only had a better atmosphere than this in all honestly, but the actual MATCH was better too imo. Watching it live I was able to keep with it and somewhat enjoyed it. Didn't hold up on a re-watch. Kane/Orton was better as far as a MATCH goes. Crowd and Atmosphere were obviously better than anything Kane/Orton had, but that's the ONLY thing this match had over it.

Rating: **3/4

Overall Rating: 7.5/10

For the most part I really enjoyed this show. Undertaker/HHH and Punk/Jericho were both fantastic, and while nothing else on the undercard really stands out, its all mostly FUN at least.
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Talk about Brock "GOAT" Lesnar, Cal.

In the mean time, I'm probably going to read all of that.

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Lesnar being back is FUCKING AWESOME. Entire Raw was petty great last night. Great crowd, some great matches, and some great moments. Didn't hate Rock's promo as much as usual, Punk/Henry was really fucking good, Lord Tensai (ALBERT~!) debuting was great, can't wait to see what they'll do with him, Brodus looking like he's gonna be in a real feud is exciting and that fucking headbutt bump from Ziggler was incredible. YES! YES! YES! chants while Del Rio says whatever the fuck he was saying to Sheamus was great. Fuck you WWE for what you did to Bryan. I just hope he's still this over in non WM smarky crowds next week. LESNAR. Shame the crowd got so bored with Cena they had to ruin the surprise, but dammit, Lesnar was awesome anyway. Crowd went nuts for him. And he killed Cena. What's NOT to love?

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Cena will be fine, and the fact he's now turned heel by not turning heel is even better. Don't get me wrong I'd prefer a more serious Cena like we got for the most part in 2007 to what he is now, but they've found a way to make him even more hated by those who resent what he stands for and have him now playing up to them in the most obvious way possible whilst still popping his fans who love the 'Rise against Hate' Cena character. I mean christ he straight up begged that crowd to cheer at the thought of him turning on them there and then only to smile and say 'that will never happen' and he appropriately got great heat. It was up there with HBK faking out Montreal with Bret's theme in 2005 or whenever Jericho or JBL would tease an interaction with a fan and then ignore them etc. Just pure brilliance and the Let's Go Cena/Cena Sucks dynamic is as strong as ever nowadays which is exactly what WWE wants...his fans will still buy the merchandise and the haters will still pay to see him lose or to abuse him or to be there if he should ever turn.

Raw itself was a great show which progressed feuds and layed the groundwork for future feuds, IMO it should be Cena/Brock at Summerslam to try and raise the image of Summerslam which is dieing a painful death with the annual shit buildup the show is getting. Cena/Brock isn't going to last a year and tbh they'd be smarter having Rock/Brock for the title at WM29 (I'd usually be all for that being non title but can you imagine the interest if people think Rock is gonna win the title and at least be back for a short run as champion? Its stupid to pass up) and run Cena/Taker with Cena trying to end the Streak to reclaim his dominance after losing to Brock and Rock in two of his biggest matches ever.

Punk/Henry and possibly Punk/Tensai could be really great feuds in the future especially Punk/Henry after perhaps the current MOTY last night (will get to that in a moment), Funkasauras/Santino v Vickie's group could be good undercard fun and the Johnny Ace abuse of power has a lot of legs in it. Bryan/Sheamus should really be the way forward on Smackdown and it was incredible to see him that over last night.

Every segment was at the worst fine and the whole show felt like it was structured brilliant, the matches and segments seemed to flow naturally and not drag for half an hour before the next good segment. It was honestly minute by minute one of the best Raw's I've seen and I'd stick by that, constant entertainment from the wrestlers and the crowd.

Now onto business and the current MOTY:

CM Punk(c) v Mark Henry, WWE Championship, RAW 02/04/2012

Yeah this was an excellent match and without doubt the best match I've seen so far this year (behind on Lucha atm) and was a brilliant Sting/Vader esque match. Punk was brilliant selling the wear and tear of last night's match from the outset and was great selling it during his offence, specifically the Macho Man Elbow drop which worked as not only a great spot to finally down Henry (something they expertly built to all match) but also in coming across as a big spot that may have cost Punk long term. His strikes and offence got so much better the longer the match went on and the crowd being with him every step of the way continued the great desperation theme of Punk fighting with everything he had to escape this improbable situation.

Henry himself was phenomenal and just illustrated why he was so god damn brilliant last year, his trashtalking was as good as its ever been (Did I say you could get up, you sit back down) and was incredible character work to generate heat and build sympathy for Punk and he worked some damn right nasty cut off spots with his brute strength. He was equally as stiff and violent as he ever is and served as the perfect ass kicker to break Punk down with every bit of offence he had and his selling was just picture perfect in giving the fans enough room to buy that Punk could hurt the big man whilst in no way damaging his credibility as the dominating ass kicker. The build throughout the match to Punk finally taking down Henry with the running knee was super and the sort of long term payoff that will always pop a crowd.

However what really put this match over the top was the booking for the finish. So many times WWE does these piss poor DQ/countout finishes that can kill a match's heat in the blink of an eye but here they pulled off an incredibly organic finish which crucially protected both men as Punk couldn't beat Henry without weakening him whilst a title change was obviously out of the question. Punk gradually wearing down Henry with the strikes and slowly softening him up for the knee strikes in the corner and subsequent bulldog was great and Henry's counter was a fitting desperation spot for the big man who was finally on the ropes for the first time in the match. Punk's bump looked nasty and believeable and in the context of the match served as an acceptable bump on which he'd struggle to make a 10 count & crucially Henry taking the time to sell the barrage of strikes to his head which had left him dazed ensured he didn't look like an idiot for letting Punk be counted out, but rather his body was still recovering from Punk's comeback and didn't recuperate in time to throw Punk back in the ring.

So aye, brilliant selling and cut off spots, a long build to a satisfying comeback which popped the crowd and some detailed and insightful booking to protect both men and leave a rematch down the line as something necessary, for once an excellent job by WWE and this was better than anything on the Wrestlemania card.


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better than Taker vs Triple H?

i have no son segunda! go back to watching your faggy valencia scoring his goals from impossible angles ya queer!

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