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I just want to get some opinions, what's the best MITB ladder match? For me, it's SD MITB 2010. Goddamn, I really enjoyed it. One of the few if not probably the only MITB match to have some sort of psychology to it. The whole thing with the Big Show breaking every ladder he stepped on built it up so well for when it was time to bring out that big ass ladder.

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Best MITB match IMO is the original at WM21, largely due to Benoit's performance and the selling of the arm injury throughout the match and which plays into the finish. Like a lot of MITB matches it has a lot of car crash bumps and spots, but Benoit's selling always ensures the match has some form of coherent story whenever he's in the ring.

The SD MITB 2010 match is really terrific though, probably one of the best ones for a few years. Show's performance was really spectacular and I thought they were brilliantly creative with the giant ladder. Show also has a really oustanding fourway match against Cody Rhodes, Mcintyre and Ziggler from early 2011 which has a similar 'Show vs the world' formula with him wrecking shit and the heels all bumping magically for everything.

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Ok, I need to check this one out. Was it really that damn good? I'm not a big Roderick Strong fan and quite frankly D-Bryan's in-ring work doesn't impress me like it does most people. I'm not denying the guy's technical abilities but to me that's not all that makes someone a great wrestler. As a matter of fact, knowledge of holds has absolutely nothing to do with being a great wrestler/worker. They're the same thing in my opinion, wrestler and worker. Cause when you're wrestling a match you're basically working.

But yeah, the names you just listed this match sounds like a blow the fucking gasket match. It sounds like a match where it starts of with some chain wrestling for the sake of chain wrestling and then it just fucking blows. It just evolves into nothing but stiff kicks and head dropping and near falls.
Its a superb match, Danielson's reign from September 2005 through until the end of 2006 was one of the best reigns in US history, and definitely the closest we've come to having a modern day Ric Flair as a champion. The Strong matches basically revolved around a classic Flair story: Bryan would always get his ass beaten in the power/strike exchanges, usually Strong's chops and he'd have numerous instances of stooging and stalling on the outside to try and work a game plan. Strong was also made to look competent and dangerous in the mat wrestling sections, although Danielson usually managed to find an opening here and seize control. This is probably Strong's peak as a worker though, he had some tremendously brutal offence and was someone the crowd were really invested in to beat Danielson who'd become a collosal egotistical prick. They really manage to make Bryan's asskicking emphatic and his subsequent control section always feels more necessary as a result. The finishing stretches are also really well done compared to modern indy wrestling, a lot more teasing of big moves rather than an abundance of kickouts, and Danielson always had a better set of offence where he never really had a move that you bought as pinning a man, but his bridging suplexes, elbows to the head, small package surprise pin and the cattle mutilation or crossface chickenwing were still bought as potential match enders.

The match really revolves around Strong trying to lock in the Strong hold, whereas Danielson tries to survive the onslaught, find an opening and then look to finish Strong off either via submission, or later by knockout through his MMA elbows which he famously used to force a ref stoppage in a lot of his defences when he couldn't beat his opponent clean.

Danielson is sensational as a worker to me though. Sure his mat wrestling and knowledge of holds is excellent by US standards, but he's such a smart worker at laying out and structuring his matches (especially in his title reign) and he's so brilliant at switching it up as a face/heel. He works the crowds tremendously throughout his reign and he has so many diverse matches; from the mat wrestling matches against McGuinness and Shelley, to facing bigger/hard hitting wrestlers like Joe and Strong, to facing hybrid wrestlers like KENTA and Aries, to facing lowercard guys and managing to make the fans think they'll be a title switch like Delirious, Storm and Cabana etc.

Trust me if you like classic Flair defences, especially when he wrestles a bigger/stronger opponent I can't see you not digging this match. It goes around 50 minutes, but its one of the Danielson matches where it really feels justified in going that length, rather than a match that would have been better with 15 minutes shaved off. It really allows Danielson to work the crowd by stalling, begging off, constantly trying to find a way to gain control of the match only to fail, then to see him be vicious and cocky in control, then grow fearful as Strong refuses to be put down and then the dramatic finishing stretch with an abundance of well worked nearfalls where the match peaks.
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Old 10-22-2012, 08:04 AM   #7672 (permalink)
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Looks great, especially when all the interviews are people who were actually there and not the HHHs and Cenas throwing baseless slogans to make WWE look good against any accomplishment WCW/nWo had. Now the only way they can ruin it is the editing, even in this promo they already started to put as much negative as the positive. If it's unbiased, huge potential on the greatest stable of all time. Waited a long time for this doc. Hopefully Nash/Hall/The Outsiders gets his own DVD next year.

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Old 10-22-2012, 08:10 AM   #7673 (permalink)
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They're telling the story, aint they? NWO had positives and negatives.
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Old 10-22-2012, 08:12 AM   #7674 (permalink)
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How many TV/PPV matches did Eddie and Rey have in 2005? I've always wanted to check out their entire series. Dates would be preferred as well for TV matches.
Wrestlemania 21: one of their 'worst' matches for me, doesn't come close to Halloween Havoc 1997 or the rest of their 2005 matches.

Then they have a few tags against MNM where they slowly build the story of Eddie growing frustrated and obsessed with beating Rey. Then we get the heel turn and THAT promo in early May.

Judgement Day: probably a top 3 match in the 2005 feud.

Smackdown 6/23: Eddie's obsessison and psychotic breakdown is at its peak here. He's amazing alternating between respectful and trying to beat Rey clean, then becoming a rabid animal trying to castrate Rey when that proves unsuccessful. MOTY for 2005, at worst a top 3 match for WWE 2000-2009 and the best match in Smackdown history.

Great American Bash: Eddie Guerrero at his sleazy best. Mysterio is by no means carried here, but this is truly the Eddie Guerrero show. One of the finest heel and in general performances I've seen. Everything he does is pitch perfect. Top 3 match in the feud.

Pretty sure either before or after GAB Eddie has a 5 minute match with Jimmy Jacobs on Smackdown. Very good for the time it gets and again Eddie steals the show.

Summerslam Ladder Match: lesser match in the series, alongside WM21. Just not what I'd call a great ladder match and there's an awkward spot where Vickie misses her cue.

Smackdown Steel Cage 9/9/05: the feud ender. Eddie at his most desperate best, Mysterio just trying once and for all to end the feud and compound Eddie's misery. Not as good as 6/23, GAB or Judgement Day but I'd say its better than Summerslam or WM21. Not the most violent 'blow off' match, but given what happened at Summerslam it would have been hard to try and top the emotion and hate in that match. Instead it comes off more as a broken Eddie just trying to salvage something from 4 months of misery.

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GAB Eddie/Rey is fan-fapping-tastic. I love how they can go out and have great "wrestling" matches such as HH 97 and then have such a massively strong storytelling and character match like GAB 05. Man, if only Eddie was still with us . So many lost matches and feuds that could have potentially been tremendous. Eddie/Punk (would be nice to see with how much Punk has changed since his Indy days), and Eddie/Bryan (oh man, Eddie cheating like mad behind the refs back while Bryan tries to not get angry? GOLD) would top my list along with the obvious Eddie/Undertaker and Eddie/HBK matches.
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GAB Eddie/Rey is fan-fapping-tastic. I love how they can go out and have great "wrestling" matches such as HH 97 and then have such a massively strong storytelling and character match like GAB 05. Man, if only Eddie was still with us . So many lost matches and feuds that could have potentially been tremendous. Eddie/Punk (would be nice to see with how much Punk has changed since his Indy days), and Eddie/Bryan (oh man, Eddie cheating like mad behind the refs back while Bryan tries to not get angry? GOLD) would top my list along with the obvious Eddie/Undertaker and Eddie/HBK matches.
Bryan/Eddie would have been unbelievable, just the idea of eddie doing the fake chair spot and lying down smirking behind the referees back while Bryan shouts 'no no no no' while the crowd chant 'yes yes yes yes' makes me smile.

Damn that would have been great not to mention some of the fun eddie could have had with Jericho during his awesome 09 heel run.
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Eddie fiddling around with his tights to loosen them moments after being crotched on the ropes is still one of the most hilarious and wonderful moments I've seen in WWE. Man was just a true performer in every sense of the word.
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After months of negotiating, WWE has finally completed its deal to acquire the tape library of Mid-South Wrestling from the family of Bill Watts.

WWE will be getting 1,200 hours of Mid-South footage from the late 1970s to the 1980s. The footage was purchased from Bill Watt's ex-wife Ene, who got the footage in her divorce settlement with Watts.

WWE Hall of Famer Jim Ross spoke to the Miami Herald about the deal:

"If fans are able to somewhere down the road buy volumes where they can see X number of weeks of television or by the year where there's X number of episodes on a multi-disc set, they're going to see how it was like reading an action adventure book. One chapter led to the next chapter led to the next with a crescendo and then a payoff, and then the book continues."

He continued, "I think the episodic nature of it will be very entertaining, and then the other thing is there are a lot of guys who really established their body of work in that company that went on to do some really great things later in their careers on a higher level [nationally and internationally]. Seeing a young Ted DiBiase [in Mid-South], Ric Flair as the traveling NWA champion, guys like the Junkyard Dog and Butch Reed who was a great antagonist and a great protagonist — probably under-rated, by and large — and there were so many guys who came through there like the Steiner brothers and Magnum T.A. Guys like that, people will get to see their formative years, and to me it's always fun as a fan because you can see glimpses of greatness, but you can also see a little bit of green, varying levels. So there's inexperience, too, and it's unique to see how they evolved."
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OH FUCK YES.

Mid South is one of the finest territories to have ever existed (swear to christ one day Cal I will get Memphis and Mid South from you). People's minds will be blown away watching Jim Duggan in his prime and how fucking great he is, Rock n Roll Express vs Midnight Express will have people questioning how they could ever consider Hardys/Dudleys/E&C to be the pinnacle of US tag team wrestling, Dibiase vs Flair 1985 , Jake Roberts vs Flair , the legendary Wahoo McDaniel vs Flair title match

Calling it now, people's minds will be blown away by Dick Murdoch and Butch Reed should WWE release an actually worthwhile comprehensive overview of Mid South. Might actually watch Flair vs Reed tonight, been ages since I watched it but any match which can make a 25 minute headlock sequence damn enthralling deserves multiple rewatches.
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Vengeance 2001:

Matt Hardy Vs Jeff Hardy W/Lita as Special Guest Ref.

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Disapointing, very slow and plodding.
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