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Taboo Tuesday match is their second best imo after the December Raw 03 match. Said it not too long ago when HHH/HBK talk surfaced, but its no coincidence their two best matches are the matches on a smaller setting with no gimmick attached and them just wrestling a simple match without trying to make the feud grander and on some other level.
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Old 10-17-2012, 03:46 PM   #7462 (permalink)
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Trips is a beast in LMS matches. So many great ones including the GOAT LMS vs Jericho imo. Cena/Umaga is right behind it. Both awesome, awesome matches.
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Old 10-17-2012, 03:51 PM   #7463 (permalink)
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Taboo Tuesday match is their second best imo after the December Raw 03 match. Said it not too long ago when HHH/HBK talk surfaced, but its no coincidence their two best matches are the matches on a smaller setting with no gimmick attached and them just wrestling a simple match without trying to make the feud grander and on some other level.
Watched the 12/03 recently too, and it doesn't hold up as great, but it's good. Their 1996 match is a normal match and is pretty awesome. I've always liked SummerSlam 02 as well.
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May have to watch the 1996 match again then.

Ah Summerslam, there are good elements to it but I just don't like how the match seems to be broken into two halves, think my long affiliated stance is the 1st half seems like the first match in a long feud (setting the initial story about HBK having to prove himself) but then the 2nd half of the match feels like a dramatic feud ender. I don't even actually mind the HBK nip up since I think it adds to the story of him being broken down and having to prove he can overcome the ring rust and be 'the man' again, but I don't like how he goes from looking vulnerable and sympathetic to some deranged lunatic in the space of 10 minutes.

Its still their 3rd best match to me, since the 3 Stages of Hell (boy that name gets more appropriate the more I think about it) is utter dogshit, the Rumble LMS match isn't very good and the HIAC is probably the definition of them trying too hard to make the match 'Epic' rather than letting it develop naturally.
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May have to watch the 1996 match again then.

Ah Summerslam, there are good elements to it but I just don't like how the match seems to be broken into two halves, think my long affiliated stance is the 1st half seems like the first match in a long feud (setting the initial story about HBK having to prove himself) but then the 2nd half of the match feels like a dramatic feud ender. I don't even actually mind the HBK nip up since I think it adds to the story of him being broken down and having to prove he can overcome the ring rust and be 'the man' again, but I don't like how he goes from looking vulnerable and sympathetic to some deranged lunatic in the space of 10 minutes.
This is actually most likely what they were going for since Shawn was only supposed to come back to have that one match. Nobody thought he would come back and stay for as long as he did. It was supposed to be that one match and that was it so when you think of it that way, your analysis/interpretation of the match makes a lot of sense lol.
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Old 10-17-2012, 04:00 PM   #7466 (permalink)
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Never actually knew about that tbh, still doesn't make me like it any more though

I will say however, the finish is perfect.
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Yeah. I think both of them have said it themselves in interviews over the years. I love the match personally. Big HHH mark, big HBK mark, what's not to like lol? Their best match together though is obviously their epic clash over the European Title. ********** all the way.
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Old 10-17-2012, 04:10 PM   #7468 (permalink)
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Is that the one where Michaels works over HHH's nose? If so yeah I watched that and it was a pure spectacle.
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As individual matches in themselves, the HHH-Orton series isn't bad at all, it's just when put in context they're absolutely terrible. Let me try and explain what I mean by that : if two random wrestlers went out in the middle of a PPV and wrestled a ** 1/2 - ** 3/4 match, I'd be like "yeah, that match was decent" , or if they went head to head on TV and put out those matches, it would be okay. However, these two are put in consistent MAIN EVENT matches where I believe a higher standard than *** should be expected. In order for a main event match to be satisfying for me, it has to be atleast *** 1/4 or even *** depending on what happens before and after the match. Now, take a *** 1/4 match and put it in the middle of the card... It goes up ALOT more in value in context to an entire show, which is where HHH-Orton fails for me. Consistently MEH matches in the main event = consistently sub par work for the most part. Does anybody here actually get what I'm saying or am I going completely insane ?
I can agree with this. Placement on the card determines expectations to some degree. Of course if you put Bryan and Ziggler against each other in the middle of a PPV and they only delivered **1/2, that would be considered terrible, so it also comes down to the performers. But generally you'd expect a main event match to be a great match, where a match in the middle of the card with no story and randomly put together, you'd be okay with them not being anything spectacular and are just hoping the match isn't shit.

In any event, Orton/HHH is probably the worst series of matches for two main eventers ever. Here's how I rate them:

UNF 04 : **1/4
Raw 1/3/05: **1/4
RR 05 : **3/4
NM 07 : **
NM 07 (LMS): ****
JD 08 (Cage): **1/2
ONS 08(LMS): **1/4
WM25: **1/2
The Bash: *1/2
Raw LMS 2009 (?): ***

Just out of their singles matches, and only two are *** and more. Just severely disappointing. For some reason Orton and HHH just could never really click besides in LMS matches. The ONS one probably would've been higher if it wasn't ended so prematurely. But in singles matches they were brutal with what you'd expect, going back to what K1ngofK1ngs said.
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Old 10-17-2012, 04:11 PM   #7470 (permalink)
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Forgot the Euro title match. Don't know how; it's definitely their best match and it's not even close.
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