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Old 10-17-2012, 10:54 AM   #7451 (permalink)
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I agree it should have been Cena/Orton at WM25 but Jeff should have finally went over HHH at WM25 for the WWE Title imo. At least, that's what I wanted.

Cal, Orton/HHH from Raw April '08 was a solid TV match. The one when Regal turned off the lights!
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Old 10-17-2012, 10:57 AM   #7452 (permalink)
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I barely remember the actual match, just the whole Regal shit that got sooo much fucking heat. If only Regal didn't fail the wellness policy at the time .
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:06 AM   #7453 (permalink)
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vs Orton I : ** 3/4
vs Umaga : ** 1/2
vs Orton II : **** 1/4

The first Orton match is an awesome paced bout, but due to the fact that they would be wrestling later in the night, I think both Trips and Orton decided not to leave it all out there. One of the BETTER Trips-Orton bouts out there and again, a really nice fast pace. Trips catching Orton instead of decisively beating him made the segment that much better as it kicked off the theme of survival.

The Umaga match is GREAT, but it's extremely short at about 6 minutes. Umaga DESTROYS Triple H's ribs and just works it over until Hunter hits one of the most beautifully executed Pedigree's I have ever seen for the win. My favourite ** 1/2 match ever by far

The Last Man Standing match is INCREDIBLE. These two just went out there and tore the house down for 20 minutes straight. It was one of those LMS's with a ton of 10 counts, and both men play their roles very well, with Trips being the valiant babyface who is giving his last breath to survive the night, and Orton being the gutsy heel trying to survive Trips's last array of offense. 4th best LMS from where I stand for sure, and one of the best matches in Orton's career. The best singles match that Orton-Trips have had BY FAR (Next best is RR 05 which I have at *** 1/2).

(on a side note) Who in their right fucking mind came up with the idea to have Trips-Orton main event Wrestlemania in a standard wrestling match with no stipulation ? THIS was their match history before the WM XXV encounter :
Thanks, sounds awesome.
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Only HHH/Orton matches worth watching at the NM 07 LMS and the Raw 09 LMS (it was in 09, right?).
I don't know about that. I've liked their regular match at Unforgiven 04 and might enjoy a rewatch of RR 05. I also liked their cage match at Judgment Day 08. And of course, the triple threat at Wrestlemania 24. The NM LMS is still their best.
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:13 PM   #7455 (permalink)
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I find all their other singles matches to be dull as fuck. Especially that cage lol.
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:45 PM   #7456 (permalink)
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As individual matches in themselves, the HHH-Orton series isn't bad at all, it's just when put in context they're absolutely terrible. Let me try and explain what I mean by that : if two random wrestlers went out in the middle of a PPV and wrestled a ** 1/2 - ** 3/4 match, I'd be like "yeah, that match was decent" , or if they went head to head on TV and put out those matches, it would be okay. However, these two are put in consistent MAIN EVENT matches where I believe a higher standard than *** should be expected. In order for a main event match to be satisfying for me, it has to be atleast *** 1/4 or even *** depending on what happens before and after the match. Now, take a *** 1/4 match and put it in the middle of the card... It goes up ALOT more in value in context to an entire show, which is where HHH-Orton fails for me. Consistently MEH matches in the main event = consistently sub par work for the most part. Does anybody here actually get what I'm saying or am I going completely insane ?
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:49 PM   #7457 (permalink)
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I find all their other singles matches to be dull as fuck. Especially that cage lol.
I enjoyed that cage match, don't know why nobody else likes it 'cept me. I also don't think their WM25 match is as bad as most make it out to be. Is it subpar? You're damn right! But it's not "worst main event ever!!!" caliber as many have made it out to be. What kills it specially is the dead crowd. They were not that dead for the triple threat that took place after HBK/Taker so I don't know what killed them.

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As individual matches in themselves, the HHH-Orton series isn't bad at all, it's just when put in context they're absolutely terrible. Let me try and explain what I mean by that : if two random wrestlers went out in the middle of a PPV and wrestled a ** 1/2 - ** 3/4 match, I'd be like "yeah, that match was decent" , or if they went head to head on TV and put out those matches, it would be okay. However, these two are put in consistent MAIN EVENT matches where I believe a higher standard than *** should be expected. In order for a main event match to be satisfying for me, it has to be atleast *** 1/4 or even *** depending on what happens before and after the match. Now, take a *** 1/4 match and put it in the middle of the card... It goes up ALOT more in value in context to an entire show, which is where HHH-Orton fails for me. Consistently MEH matches in the main event = consistently sub par work for the most part. Does anybody here actually get what I'm saying or am I going completely insane ?
I totally understand what you mean. If it was anybody else, the standards would have been low meaning the matches would have been acceptable but when you have HHH and Orton, two of the best main event workers in the past decade, it'll feel underwhelming.
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I was having a discussion with a friend of mine who only started watching wrestling in 2011 after we all went to Wrestlemania 27 and he mentioned something I found very interesting. Not only have their been some excellent matches over the past year and a half, but he had said that his absolute favorite match was CM Punk vs. John Cena at Money in the Bank ’11. I tried to counter and say how it was a great match with probably the best build in a long time, but he tried to coax me into watching it one more time. So after the NY/SF football game on Sunday, we popped in the DVD and watched Punk-Cena again. And you know what? I’ll have to agree with the match’s greatness, ranking it in my top 5. While other matches may have been better from a technical standpoint, very few matches were as highly anticipated or unpredictable as that match was. Even listening to Daniel Bryan on the BITW documentary, it was so refreshing to have a match where it could’ve very easily gone one way or the other. The big match feel that this match had and I’m talking about the pre-match promos that were the strongest in either man’s career, the uncertainty regarding Punk’s real-life contract, the segments all throughout the night of Money in the Bank where they were building the match, it was just excellent. The hometown crowd of CM Punk, reacting to every single move he did and just setting up the absolute perfect atmosphere. Cena and Punk putting on a 30 minute clinic with a very clear and concise beginning-middle-ending sequence of events the entire way through. The little meticulous details about the match that can give it even more credibility, whether it is the submission reversals or near falls. The brilliant ending that tied in every single rumored ending, whether it was a ‘Chicago Screwjob’ or Del Rio cashing in his briefcase. The commentary was superb all match, not at any point being annoying and although fans usually wish JR was on commentary for every big match, Cole really sold the importance throughout the entire match of the WWE title staying in the WWE and not leaving the company with CM Punk. Everything about this match was perfect, from the storyline to the build up to the match. Anybody agree that this is one of the top 5-10 WWE matches of all-time?
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I didn't think Cena/Punk is a top 10 WWE match ever, but it's not a terribly unpopular opinion.

Watched some 2000s Michaels recently, including the LMS with HHH that was brought up yesterday. Yeah.....it wasn't good. Then I watched the HIAC.........

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THEN I watched the match at Taboo Tuesday, and that one was actually pretty good. Definitely the best match they had post-2003. I don't remember what people think of this - like it? Hate it? Haven't seen it? Sexyness?
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THEN I watched the match at Taboo Tuesday, and that one was actually pretty good. Definitely the best match they had post-2003. I don't remember what people think of this - like it? Hate it? Haven't seen it? Sexyness?
I am about to reach Taboo Tuesday very soon, so I haven't seen it yet but will give my opinion soon.

The HIAC match, though, is fucking terrible. If there's one match that personifies boring, this must be it. Which says a lot when Big Show/Alberto del Rio happened last year around this time and it was more entertaining reading the Raw thread with people saying "FUCK this match is so boring!" than watching the match itself.
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