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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread
Orton in 2004-2006 was just a godsend. Sublime character who was easy to hate, really understood how to wrestle as a heel and added so many heel mannerisms to his work e.g eye rakes, hair pulling, complaining about shenanigans when he was fairly put on his ass, stooging and stalling for time, feet on the ropes, having Flair/Batista assist in abdominal stretches. Add to that he also had a very good moveset to build a match, was a very good seller of offence and was agile enough to hang with the likes of Mysterio and Benoit whilst having the size to wrestle as a believeable threat to Undertaker. He was also brilliantly versatile, whether he was a cocky shit (Edge Vengeance 04, Mysterio 06 matches), a guy working stiffer and more physical matches (Benoit matches 04-06) or working big time matches (Taker feud, Cena Summerslam 07) he excelled in each area.
Sad to see what he's become now. He's pretty much abandoned the mannerisms and subtle touches to his work, has become closer to Edge in terms of ludicrously bad 'facial expressions', has developed this dreary monotonous style of ring work (I swear to christ there was one match in 2010 where he legit spent close to one minute doing stomps to a guy's arm, hand, ankle, leg etc and then went for a kneedrop only to miss and I felt like 2 minutes of my life were just wasted for absolutely nothing) and for the life of him cannot make himself a good face in peril no matter how mechanically good he is at selling etc: he's just not someone who should be getting worked over and making the comeback: he should be the asskicker and then use his good selling of offence to be the base for a babyface's comeback. His viper esque writhing 'selling' just makes it so hard to get invested in his FIP spells compared to an Evan Bourne or Mysterio who fly around the ring and bump like madmen to get over the workover.
His matches may also be the worst example of a formula making it hard to continually watch a wrestler. All his setups just feel the same even if he does switch parts of his offence up, his clothesline combo and duck into backbreaker sequence may be the worst 'quickfire main event babyface comeback' in recent memory and I just find very little to actually enjoy in his matches: the offence never looks great or painful, his workover is never memorable because the way he bumps just removes any drama from the match, really the only thing I can say he does well now is finishing stretches since a lot of his signature offence works in a way that you can buy his opponent countering it before Orton actually hits the move, and in that sense some of his finishing stretches with Ziggler in particular feel chaotic and fast paced in a natural way.
Cena's 2007 is better for me than Orton's peak, though Orton was a far better character at the time and I totally get why he was probably the more watchable, especially because his cockiness and physique made for so many interesting match ups. Cena post 2007 is far and away the better of the two however. Orton had sporadic moments of his peak in 07 and 08, but post 2009 and the Viper character I legit can't think of too many matches of his I'd point to as being 'great', and trying to actually name Orton performances post 2009 that I think carry a match might be even harder. I found Christian better in the Over the Limit match, was more invested in Henry during their NOC match (though that might actually be Orton's best performance in a couple of years), thought Punk was the better guy in both of their PPV matches and brought more to the match through his mannerisms, facial expressions and match layout etc.