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Old 10-13-2012, 03:09 PM   #7301 (permalink)
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I really have no interest in Rock/Cena II. My ideal semi-realistic main event card would be:

Punk v Rock v Cena (WWE title)
Taker v Lesnar
Ziggler v Ryback (WHC)
Bryan v Jericho

If Lesnar isn't going to re-sign for another run, I wouldn't mind seeing:

Punk v Rock
Cena v Taker
Lesnar v Ryback
Ziggler v Bryan v Jericho

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Old 10-13-2012, 06:12 PM   #7302 (permalink)
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Unforgiven 2004:

William Regal/Chris Benoit vs Ric Flair/Batista - **1/4
- Wow, this is pathetic. Benoit went from main eventing SummerSlam as the World Champion to opening the next PPV in the most meaningless match you can think of. As a match, it's nothing special and belongs to the middle of a Raw show at best.

Trish Stratus vs Victoria - **1/2
- Decent effort by both, nothing to remember much from, though.

Tyson Tomko vs Steven Richards - 1/2*
- This goes on for way too long. Should've been one minute at best but goes on for over 5 minutes. Also, how much of a jobber must Steven Richards be to be put in the position he was here? First he came out to Victoria's music as her "bitch" and now he's hiding in some stupid female dress, lol.

Chris Jericho vs Christian (Ladder Match) - ***1/4
- A good match by these two and a good comeback for Christian after his back injury. Crowd is too dead, though, and it gets a bit slow by the end when both men spend too much time laying on the mat instead of doing anything. 23 minutes might have been too long, so that might explain it. Still, an enjoyable ladder match and Jericho wins his seventh IC title. And lastly, I can't forget the crazy bumps these guys take, Jericho getting the ladder pulled from under him comes to mind specially.

Shawn Michaels vs Kane - **1/4
- Boring as it gets. Crowd is super dead and the match just feels so underwhelming and uninteresting.

La Resistance vs Tajiri/Rhyno - **
- Yawn, generic tag team match. Couldn't care less for these because it is always the same formula and ending.

Randy Orton vs HHH - ***1/2
- I liked this one a lot. Crowd is mostly dead but they show a lot more life here than the entire PPV so far. The in-ring action is solid until the overbooking towards the end. A simple push into the referee puts him to sleep for about 10 minutes and then a load of shenanigans take place with Evolution and Jonathan Coachman entering the scene. HHH wins after Orton takes a hell of a beating with attacks from Batista, a lowblow, a chair shot and a Pedigree into the chair by HHH. This was a huge momentum killer for Orton, though. All this build-up from when he joined Evolution for absolutely nothing. I hear he had problems behind the scenes causing them to press the reset button but despite popular belief, it was NOT Orton's fault that his face run flopped from an on-screen perspective. They booked him well during the build-up and the crowd was popping for him every week yet after this one, he became irrelevant until the Undertaker feud saved his career and he was build once again up to the main event level and became a mainstay.

Overall: **1/4 out of ***** (You rarely hear anything about this PPV outside of the main event and it's probably for very good reason. Save for the ladder match and the main event, there is nothing to find here. The weakest Raw PPV from 2004 to me although Taboo Tuesday is still on the way. Oh, and I can't forget how terrible the crowd is on this one. By far the worst crowd I've come across in the entire years of 2003 and 2004 from all the shows I've watched.)
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Tomko/Steven is one of those matches that I considered using negative snowflakes for. So bad. I remember a part when Tomko did the most awkward smothering attempt with the wig over Steven's face and JR/King were left puzzled at what he was trying to do.

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Rewatched two classics today.

Cena/Punk MITB - *****
Honestly just as good as it was the first time, everything just clicked.

Trish/Mickie WM22 - ***1/2 -3/4
I really love this match, i miss Mickie & Trish so much
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Tomko/Steven is one of those matches that I considered using negative snowflakes for. So bad. I remember a part when Tomko did the most awkward smothering attempt with the wig over Steven's face and JR/King were left puzzled at what he was trying to do.

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Shouldn't have even been a match. They could've just had Tomko bring out Richards and then beat him down and remove the wig and the rest of his clothes. Instead they turned it into a shitty squash that lasted 6 minutes too long.
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I just watched "Rise and Fall of ECW" Absolutely brilliant, a lot of nostalgic moments and some moments that I hadn't seen neither, one of the best WWE Produced DVD's in my opinion, if not the best.
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Shouldn't have even been a match. They could've just had Tomko bring out Richards and then beat him down and remove the wig and the rest of his clothes. Instead they turned it into a shitty squash that lasted 6 minutes too long.
Shouldn't have been on the PPV to begin with.
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Thoughts on the Big Show/Taker matches from 2008?
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Really liked the NM and CS ones. I've heard very bad things about the SVS one and I know there's a cage match on SD but I've never seen it.
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Taker/Show NM- ***3/4
Taker/Show CS (LMS)- ****1/4
Taker/Show SVS- **

Taker/Show is such a fucking awesome and overlooked series of matches. Taker/Show NM surprised a lot of people when it happened and it ended up being a fantastic well-paced match between the two big men. Taker/Show CS takes everything great from the NM and adds to it and is a borderline classic. One of the best LMS of all time for that matter (I'd put it at number 3 behind Cena/Umaga and Jericho/HHH). Also it's Big Show's best match ever imo. Taker was legit the best in-ring worker in the company at that point in time imo, as his series with Edge also showed (and Batista the year prior). Taker and Show meshed so well in this feud, which is amazing considering they never really meshed well in the past. But with the 08 series in mind, Taker is imo Show's best opponent ever bar maybe Lesnar, whom while he never had a match quite as good with Show as the LMS between Taker and Show (the stretcher match is reasonably close), Lesnar/Show never had a bad match, where Taker and Show have quite a few stinkers in their careers against each other.

Speaking of stinkers, the 2008 series couldn't be perfect... and that's where the SVS match is. It's a brutal step down from the first two matches, and if you've never seen it, I'd suggest only watching the first two Taker/Show matches of the series and pretending the SVS match never happened. Though there was a cage match between them that I completely forgot/never seen I know someone in this thread has brought up a couple of times. I've gotta see it one of these days.

While you're at it, Taker/Show No Way Out 2003 is also worth checking out. ***1/4 I give that one.
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