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Old 10-10-2012, 01:14 PM   #7081 (permalink)
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SS 04:

Eddie/Angle - ** - thought it was nothing more than just Ankle Lock shit. Worse than their WM bout that I'm not fond of. 2/3 falls is their best match by far imo.

Taker/JBL - ***1/2 - Loved it, big fan of their matches on PPV and the 05 SD match too.

Orton/Benoit - **** - Great series between these two starting here and going into 06. Still think their SD 06 match is their best (NOT the NHB match, the other one. And not that one. I think they had 3 lol within a month ).
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:43 PM   #7082 (permalink)
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Eddie/Angle - ** - thought it was nothing more than just Ankle Lock shit. Worse than their WM bout that I'm not fond of. 2/3 falls is their best match by far imo.

Taker/JBL - ***1/2 - Loved it, big fan of their matches on PPV and the 05 SD match too.

Orton/Benoit - **** - Great series between these two starting here and going into 06. Still think their SD 06 match is their best (NOT the NHB match, the other one. And not that one. I think they had 3 lol within a month ).
Lol @ "just Ankle Lock shit". That's what brought it down for me. They spend over half the match trying to outdo each other with that move. Then when things start to pick up, the match ends.

Is the 05 SD match between JBL & Taker the one where Orton interferes after being drafted?

And I assume you are talking about the 13/1/06 match between Benoit and Orton, the one when Orton finally pins Benoit after the DQ finishes. My favorite is the SS one then the NHB. About to watch their SS rematch now.
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Aye, the one with Orton showing up is the JBL/Undertaker match. Man, I LOVE how JBL takes a Big Boot from Undertaker btw. Looks awesome every single time lol.

Probably is that Orton/Benoit match. I'm useless at remembering dates, even though I do have a text document with all my 06 reviews and ratings .
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Cal you seen Orton vs Benoit from 12/30/05 Smackdown(if its not the exact date its sometime at the very end of 05)? Was reading through nominated stuff in the WWF/E poll and saw Buzz give it a rave review and it seemed familiar but something I hadn't watched in ages.
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Nope, never got to see it. Only got like, 2 shows from 05 and they are both Raws, and I tried looking online for it way back when, and the quality was far too shitty for me to watch it.
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Ah fair enough, seems like a lost gem in their series.

I said it a few pages back about Orton possibly being Benoit's best opponent in WWE at least in terms of consistency, and it got me to think about if anyone in the WWE has actually ever had better chemistry on a consistent basis? I mean they've had a good 5/6 singles matches and I can't recall any of them ever being below very good. I'm probably talking around 5 matches or more here, rather than just a couple of really good matches from 2 wrestlers.

Eddie/Mysterio seems like a given, but they do have the Wrestlemania 20 match as a minor blemish on their otherwise brilliant chemistry (Summerslam 05 isn't too great either, but we're picking at straws here).

Angle/Austin is probably also up there. Summerslam 2001 is a classic, Unforgiven match is a definite notch and a bit below that one but still good in its own right. Their on and off TV matches from 2001-2002 are also of significant quality.

Benoit/Regal and Benoit/Finlay would also be up there, though they have a few matches less than the other pairings.

Punk/Mysterio for more recent times seems like a good shout. Armageddon 2008, the fabulous 2/12/10 SD encounter, Wrestlemania 26 being a super sub 10 minute match, ER and OTL 2010 being well above good, Capitol Punishment 2011 being the match of the show etc.

I suppose Punk/Cena may just edge out Orton/Benoit, on account of MITB, Summerslam and NOC as well as their TV matches from 2011-2012. They definitely were given more opportunities to have more than 1 'truly great, near classic' encounter than Orton/Benoit.
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Segunda, I would probably throw Taker/Batista, Taker/Orton, and Taker/Edge into that mix. Taker had some quality series in that period where he was just at the top of his game like never before in the ring. Taker/Angle too.
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I'm really excited about watching 2005. Got all the Raw episodes (I hope so anyways), Smackdown is almost finished as are PPVs. Should be a great year.

And SC, you forgot Orton/Christian. They had an awesome series of matches last year and I heard their mini-feud on Raw 05 was also good.

Chris Benoit's Title Reign:

vs HHH vs Shawn Michaels (Wrestlemania 20) ~ *****
vs HHH vs Shawn Michaels (Backlash) ~ ****1/2
vs Shawn Michaels (Raw 3/5/2004) ~ ****1/4
vs Kane (Bad Blood) ~ ****
vs Kane (Raw 28/6/2004) ~ ***1/2
vs HHH (Vengeance) ~ ***3/4
vs Eugene (Raw 26/7/2004) ~ ***
vs HHH (Ironman, Raw 2/8/2004) ~ ****1/4
vs Randy Orton (SummerSlam) ~ ****1/2

Overall: An excellent title reign without a single dull match. Unfortunately, Benoit was never given a fair chance on a whole, though. He cut 1 or 2 promos throughout this entire reign and the only thing he got to do was wrestle which I understand was his strong point. But he was also never given much in way of opponents to work with either. Outside of the short feud with Kane, it was all HHH, HHH, HHH and more HHH. Then he got to play second-fiddle to Eugene's bullshit and the title became an afterthought. But he still managed to put on great matches every chance he got. Why couldn't have anyone else gotten a shot at the title other than HHH and whoever he was feuding with? For instance, Chris Jericho cut a promo saying he was going to get a title shot but it never happened and instead when he won that little silly chairs game the week before Vengeance that took place in Winnipeg, he got a title shot at the Intercontinental title instead. How fucking pointless was that?
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Taker/Angle have 3 top quality matches, but then some of their 2000 matches aren't very good and the 2002 SD match isn't great either. Its not so much about great chemistry, but rather an abundance of consistent 'very good or above' matches.

Taker/Orton is a very good shout though. I'm not as high on the series collectively and would probably rank it below a few of the pairings I posted, but its definitely a good series and I can't recall them having close to a bad match.

Taker/Edge I can see the argument for if you're an Edge fan, but I loathe the guy as a worker and would really struggle to call him 'good'. As a result I really can't get into most of their series, especially the wretched TLC match and I'm not even that great a fan of the HIAC. Like a lot of Edge matches its just too relient on props and spots for my liking, though I appreciate if any of his matches needed weapons and spots a HIAC vs Taker at Summerslam is about as appropriate as it gets.

Taker/Batista is a very good shout, although the Chairs match in 09 was pretty bad, though that's hardly their fault. Still I'm trying to think of pairings which consistently produced a high quality match in every match they contested, I appreciate its quite strict and harsh criteria and the chairs match doesn't take away from the 07 series but like Eddie/Rey WM 20 its still a minor blemish compared to Punk/Cena, Orton/Benoit & Punk/Mysterio.

Mysterio/Jericho could be another contender. Admittedly like Taker/Edge my lack of support of Jericho as a good worker means I'm lower on the series than most (I prefer Punk/Mysterio overall), but I wouldn't say any of their matches dipped below good throughout the feud so its therefore a worthy contender.

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Meh, like I said this isn't about pairings that produced good/great matches, its about those pairings which somehow never produced anything below good whenever they were paired up. Aside from the initial title change match on Smackdown and Over The Limit (far and away the best match in the series) I don't rate the rest of the series very much: MITB was a story driven match so I appreciate why it was never going to match OTL but its still not much of a match to me. A case where the story and angle detracted to much from the match progressing. Summerslam I don't really like too much either, feels like every other WWE NHB/No DQ match where they have the usual array of weapons and elaborate spots. I've become too disensitised to that style and as a result there's very few WWE NBH/LMS or Street Fights I enjoy these days, especially post 2009 where they've become increasingly frequent and with very little difference in terms of layout, weapons and spots they all seem to blend together and make it impossible for me to really get into the match. Can't recall the last series of matches in a feud where I didn't find the LMS or Street Fight esque match to be one of the weakest.

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Maybe Michaels/Cena? WM23, Raw 4/23, and the early 09 Raw matches (think there were two).
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