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Old 10-08-2012, 05:03 PM   #7011 (permalink)
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Not surprised that matches involving Steiner, Nash, and Goldberg were bad, though.
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:07 PM   #7012 (permalink)
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I've always thought a lot of the problem with HHH is he wanted to be Ric Flair. "Vince, I'm The Guy now, give me 20 minutes with ____ and I'll get a really good match out of him." He just wasn't good at it. When he started being less Ric Flair-y, he became better. Not a great wrestler (I don't think he was ever a great wrestler), but better than Holy Fuck Why Does This Guy Have The World Title He Is Dogshit. Didn't try to work like Flair in 2000, and was good. Didn't try to work like Flair in 2005, and was good. Didn't try to work like Flair in 2008, and was good. Tried to work like Flair in 2003, and sucked. This is coming from someone who's always liked HHH.

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I'd probably agree with that minus Summerslam being above Taboo Tuesday. Though tbh after Raw 03 and TT 04 and Summerslam being a distant distant distant 3rd, I really don't care how the others get ranked, as long as the 3 Stages of Hell ends up dead last. I think they have a Raw match in 2006 and maybe a match at one of the Tribute to the Troops shows, but tbh I'm in no rush to watch either to make sure.
That match is absolutely abysmal. Might be worse than the 3SOH.
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Yeah, who else can we think of that always had trouble hitting a move off the top rope...
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I don't think he tried to be or wanted to be Ric Flair. Did he emulate and do Flair-ish things? Yes. But that doesn't mean he wanted to be him. In 2003 he sucked, no doubt about it. But he was injured and simply too big for his body to be able to move around comfortably. Rock and Austin were gone, the influx of WCW talent did nothing to quell the dip and he just flat out had a bad year. In fact, the only good thing he did that year, apart from the awesome match with Shawn right at the end, is this:





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Triple H was riding that Evolution train in 2003. He wanted to be the new age Ric Flair. Proof was in the product. He rolled with his crew. He incorporated his character to be like Flair. He tried to work like Flair. He wanted to be the heel champ who manages to hold onto his championship after every big match like Flair. He tried to do it all and it ended up being his worst run as a main eventer. He shouldn't have made himself into such a carbon copy at the time. Like Yeah1993 said, when he didn't try, he was good. That's how it always is. Don't go and be someone that can't be recycled like Flair. Go be Triple H. That's what made him sucessful in the first place.

Evolution was entertaining, more in 2004, but THE GAME HHH > Evolution HHH. Easy.
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Still don't think he was trying to be Flair tbh. There are obviously similarities in the gimmick and the whole Evolution thing but I honestly think it's more down to his body and injuries. Take smaller/injury free HHH from 2000 and put him in 2003 and I'm willing to bet it doesn't suck so badly. Take heavy, clumpy and injury ridden HHH from 2003 and put him in 2000 and there's not a chance that it looks half as good. If he had been on form and actually able to pull off something decent in the matches he had, it wouldn't have been so bad. But he wasn't and we ended up with awful main events instead of decent/passable ones. No matter the gimmick he had in 2003, he was still going to suck because he was simply too big for his body. Then he got injured and it all went to shit.
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I'll credit all of the above contributing to his mediocre year.
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2000 HHH > most wrestlers' careers, though.
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I'll credit all of the above contributing to his mediocre year.
Mediocre is being nice tbh.

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2000 HHH > most wrestlers' careers, though.
Undertaker >.

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Mediocre is being nice tbh.
Fair enough. ABYSSMAL NONSENSE.
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