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I was at Reliant Stadium and witnessed the disappointment that was HHH vs. Randy Orton WrestleMania 25 main event. The match was booked completely wrong. This should have been a no holds barred fight with brawling in the all around ringside and in the crowd. There should have been run ins from the McMahons and Legacy. Chairshots, stair shots/spots, ring bell shots, etc. Most importantly, Orton should have won the damn match. In word to describe how I felt after watching this match live was underwhelmed.
I agree 100% with this. When it ended the only thought I could muster was "was that it?" and I barely ever have that kind of reaction. I have no clue whose idea it was to have the stipulation that the title changes hands on a DQ, but Orton at least knew it was the completely wrong way to go.
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Old 02-29-2012, 07:54 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Spring Stampede 1999

Juventud Guerrera vs. Blitzkrieg - ****
Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Hak - ***1/4
Scotty Riggs vs. Mikey Whipwreck - 1/4*
Disco Inferno vs. Konnan - **
Rey Mysterio vs. Billy Kidman - ***1/2
Chris Benoit & Dean Malenko vs. Raven & Perry Saturn - ****1/4
Scott Steiner vs. Booker T - **
Goldberg vs. Kevin Nash *1/2
Ric Flair vs. DDP vs. Sting vs. Hollywood Hogan - ***1/2

Great WCW PPV for 1999, really enjoyable. I quite liked the main event even though some people aren't very fond of it. Opener and Tag match were gold, they need checking out by some folks.
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My Top 10 WM main events below...I didn't add any matches that were not the final matches...If I did Savage/Flair WM 8 would be #1 and Taker/HBK WM 25 would be in the top 5...anyway here we go.....

10. Randy Savage vs. Ted DiBiase in a tournament final for the vacant WWF Championship (WM 4)....yes a homer pick cuz Im a Savage and DiBiase mark but oh well...the match was too short because they were short on time....I read they were going to go 20-25 mins....if that had happened it would be one of the best WM matches ever

9. Edge (c) vs. The Undertaker for the World Heavyweight Championship (WM 24)....very underrated match...it should prob even be higher

8. The Rock (c) vs. Steve Austin in a No Disqualification match for the WWF Championship (WM 15)...probably my 3rd fav of their WM matches but still really good

7. Bret Hart (c) vs. Shawn Michaels in a 60 Minute Iron Man Match for the WWF Championship (WM12)....this match gets so much shit but it was really good I thought and saved WM 12 from the crapper...the WWF was on the shoulders of these 2 guys and they came through

6. Shawn Michaels (c) vs. Steve Austin for the WWF Championship (WM 14)....Had HBK been healthy this had the potential to be not only one of the best WM matches ever but one of the best matches ever....both were in their prime and despite HBK not being 100% it was still great and a hige moment in wrestling history

5. Randy Savage (c) vs. Hulk Hogan for the WWF Championship (WM 5)....Probably Hogan's best match IMHO and I challenge anyone to find me a main event at WM with two bigger names

4. The Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels (WM 26)...great match...I thought WM 25 was better but like I said I only included final matches on this list

3. Kurt Angle (c) vs. Brock Lesnar for the WWE Championship (WM 19)....awesome match...would prob be #1 if Angle would have been healthy

2. Triple H (c) vs. Chris Benoit vs. Shawn Michaels for the World Heavyweight Championship (WM 20)....so entertaining, can't say enough about the ending of WM 20...it was so emotional and well booked

1. The Rock (c) vs. Steve Austin in a No Disqualification match for the WWF Championship (WM 17)....can't say enough about this match....the crowd was bonkers and two of the best of all time in their primes and a finish nobody saw coming...if you say you saw this finish coming you are a liar....this match never gets old
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WCW Monday Nitro - March 26th, 2001

WCW World Heavyweight & United States Championship Unification Match Scott Steiner vs. Booker T - **1/2
The Jung Dragons vs. The Filthy Animals vs. 3 Count - **1/2
WCW Cruiserweight Championship Shane Helms (c) vs. Chavo Guerrero - **1/2
WCW Tag Team Championships Sean O'Haire & Chuck Palumbo (c) vs. Team Canada - **
Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Shawn Stasiak - 1/4*
WCW Cruiserweight Tag Team Championships Elix Skipper and Kid Romeo (c) vs. The Filthy Animals - ***
Sting vs. Ric Flair - ***


Enjoyable finale. The segments with Vince constantly burying WCW were not needed in my opinion, WCW should have been given one last night to shine. The matches that were put on were good but not great, Steiner/Booker could have been so much better if it had been given much more time. Sting/Flair was the only fitting way Nitro should have gone out. Of course, the Simulcast was epic. Vince probably should have tried harder to get big WCW names in the WWF, it would have made the Invasion that much better but, I enjoyed the Invasion for what it was.
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Hey guys, I need some help.

What criticism would you make to the following wrestler (mostly in the ring)

-Steve Austin
-Terry Funk
-Chris Benoit
-Jerry Lawler
-Ric Flair

I would make a thread about this but I have more trust in the opinion of people who post in this thread and in OW than all the other sections combined
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Austin- hmmm in his 'Stone Cold' persona I'd say some of the overly brawling aspects of his matches weren't terrific, I can only think of Backlash 2002 v Taker where they spend a vast portion of the match brawling and it really didn't look or feel that special/memorable. I know Cal will probably be in disagreement there but bar his matches being overbooked at times and the brawling not always being enthralling I can't think of too much to really criticise. In WCW he got really really good around '94 but it wasn't like he was bad prior to that, just outshined by Arn, Eaton, Rude and Zbyszko etc.

Funk- well shit this is even harder to criticise, I can only say that maybe people would be bored by the more realistic/organic environment his matches produce, like I adore his punches and punch drunk selling but if people prefer 100mph sprints with insane spots and athleticism then Funk really won't appeal to them. Its hardly a knock on Funk since I'm thankful to God he never went down that road/style and its certainly something I'd never agree with if someone said he was boring, but well trying to find things Funk did badly/wrong isn't exactly an easy feat so I'm having to scrounge for something.

Benoit- by about 2005 onwards I did think he got overly formulaic with his offence and set ups for signature spots, he could still 'go' when he wanted to even in his later years but I think there's a world of difference between 2006 Benoit v Finlay and then 2006 Benoit v someone who works totally different to Finlay and Regal etc. I'm still largely a fan of his junior stuff since he and Eddie in particularly always seemed to be a step above the rest when it came to building their matches and making their spots mean much more in the context of the match, but I'm sure a few of his junior matches in WCW and NJPW may not hold up as well if I were to rewatch them tomorrow: though that's about as likely to happen because of my growing abhorance to the junior style than Benoit himself. Not really a fan of him in his matches v Angle either, felt he went along with Angle's counter counter style and didn't impose his ability to structure matches around mind blowing spots like he could do with Eddie or Mysterio for example.

Lawler- fuck youuuuuuuuuuuuu for making me think of something bad about Lawler. Ok, not an amazing athlete and 95% of his offence is great looking punches, so yeah if you don't appreciate the detail and story behind a basic match formula then Lawler will likely bore you or leave you thinking you're just not seeing what everyone else is seeing.

Flair- tendancy to oversell, though I'm not in the camp that hates that since it usually played a big part in getting him heat/babyface support on his opponent and made for a great build to his desperation transition spot and was an essential part of the Flair formula in making his opponent look like gold. People will say if you've seen 1 Flair match you've seen them all, total bollocks to me of course but I can understand why people will look for a more diverse performer (though again Flair is about as diverse as they come throughout his career). His matches with Windham and Steamboat are basic matches in terms of moves and execution, though of course its the subtle build, engaging atmosphere and character dynamics which add so much more to the sequences but again, if people are looking for an athlete to leave them speechless Ric Flair isn't who you go to.
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http://www.wwedvdnews.com/recruiting...eviewer/21603/

Not sure if i'm interested in this anymore...

They're looking for more "DVD" based reviewers rather than "Match" reviewers. Seems to me that they have no interest in star ratings or number ratings or whatever.

They want someone to review things like "packaging" and more in depth documentary reviews, as opposed to matches. Daniel's reviews talk BARELY about the matches and are more documentary and presentation based.

I'm not sure if you guys are with me on this one, but if this goes ahead, I might consider boycotting WWEDVDNEWS. I mean THIS is their chance to get a good reviewer, but instead they're gonna go a route that makes Austin101/Brett Mix seem like a reviewing GOD. I know one person won't make a hell of alot of difference, but match listings/reviews are the main reason's that I'm drawn to that site, and at risk of alienating a large portion of their site goers, I would strongly advise that they get a more "Match" based reviewer.
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I don't visit the site for reviews anyway, so I'll still be going there for, you know, dvd news . I would have still applied (I can easily switch up my reviewing formula to give them what they want while still doing match reviews), but I don't have the cash to buy like, ever new DVD release .
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I was at Reliant Stadium and witnessed the disappointment that was HHH vs. Randy Orton WrestleMania 25 main event. The match was booked completely wrong. This should have been a no holds barred fight with brawling in the all around ringside and in the crowd. There should have been run ins from the McMahons and Legacy. Chairshots, stair shots/spots, ring bell shots, etc. Most importantly, Orton should have won the damn match. In word to describe how I felt after watching this match live was underwhelmed. However, I did enjoy it much more when I watched it on DVD a couple months later. It's still not WRESTLEMANIA 25 MAIN EVENT worthy.
Pretty much sums up my views on the match perfectly.

The feud called for a violent match, it needed it to get into a brawl for it to actually work. They absolutely just handcuffed both guys by making that stupid stipulation. The feud was actually really, really good, full of action, ready for a really great Wrestlemania payoff, and it just didnt happen...through no fault of Orton or Triple H.

People often critisise overbooked matches but in this case it was needed. The feud wasnt just Orton/Triple H it was Legacy/Orton/McMahons/Triple H. Legacy run ins were expected and needed, a Shane or Vince run in was needed, and Stephanie making an appearance would have been even better. People expected and wanted these run ins in this case, they expected a swerve and what they got was...dissapointing because as Clique stated you were left with that 'was that it' feeling as the match eneded. Very underwhelming.
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Austin- hmmm in his 'Stone Cold' persona I'd say some of the overly brawling aspects of his matches weren't terrific, I can only think of Backlash 2002 v Taker where they spend a vast portion of the match brawling and it really didn't look or feel that special/memorable. I know Cal will probably be in disagreement there but bar his matches being overbooked at times and the brawling not always being enthralling I can't think of too much to really criticise. In WCW he got really really good around '94 but it wasn't like he was bad prior to that, just outshined by Arn, Eaton, Rude and Zbyszko etc.

Funk- well shit this is even harder to criticise, I can only say that maybe people would be bored by the more realistic/organic environment his matches produce, like I adore his punches and punch drunk selling but if people prefer 100mph sprints with insane spots and athleticism then Funk really won't appeal to them. Its hardly a knock on Funk since I'm thankful to God he never went down that road/style and its certainly something I'd never agree with if someone said he was boring, but well trying to find things Funk did badly/wrong isn't exactly an easy feat so I'm having to scrounge for something.

Benoit- by about 2005 onwards I did think he got overly formulaic with his offence and set ups for signature spots, he could still 'go' when he wanted to even in his later years but I think there's a world of difference between 2006 Benoit v Finlay and then 2006 Benoit v someone who works totally different to Finlay and Regal etc. I'm still largely a fan of his junior stuff since he and Eddie in particularly always seemed to be a step above the rest when it came to building their matches and making their spots mean much more in the context of the match, but I'm sure a few of his junior matches in WCW and NJPW may not hold up as well if I were to rewatch them tomorrow: though that's about as likely to happen because of my growing abhorance to the junior style than Benoit himself. Not really a fan of him in his matches v Angle either, felt he went along with Angle's counter counter style and didn't impose his ability to structure matches around mind blowing spots like he could do with Eddie or Mysterio for example.

Lawler- fuck youuuuuuuuuuuuu for making me think of something bad about Lawler. Ok, not an amazing athlete and 95% of his offence is great looking punches, so yeah if you don't appreciate the detail and story behind a basic match formula then Lawler will likely bore you or leave you thinking you're just not seeing what everyone else is seeing.

Flair- tendancy to oversell, though I'm not in the camp that hates that since it usually played a big part in getting him heat/babyface support on his opponent and made for a great build to his desperation transition spot and was an essential part of the Flair formula in making his opponent look like gold. People will say if you've seen 1 Flair match you've seen them all, total bollocks to me of course but I can understand why people will look for a more diverse performer (though again Flair is about as diverse as they come throughout his career). His matches with Windham and Steamboat are basic matches in terms of moves and execution, though of course its the subtle build, engaging atmosphere and character dynamics which add so much more to the sequences but again, if people are looking for an athlete to leave them speechless Ric Flair isn't who you go to.
thanks man.

I've spent literally 1 week trying to think "bad" things about Funk's and Lawler's work. It hasn't been easy.

Good stuff on Benoit, specially his "formulaic work" in his later years. I still love his Junior matches as I still like that style and appreciate it by what it is. This last 2 weeks I've been rewatching a lot of early 90's work (even his fun brawl against Funk) and it still holds up. I'm still waiting for someone to find his 2nd match vs Owen with audio, it's such a fun 10 minutes even without it.
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