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Old 10-07-2012, 06:57 PM   #6941 (permalink)
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Meh, Bret doesn't do much for me these days. Its not like they did a lot of things badly, but its just not the sort of match style I'm compelled to watch again and again. Matches I listed are shorter and feature Benoit at his bumping and violent best (Meng and Sullivan matches), Scorpio match is a great technician vs high flyer match and the Eddie/Jericho matches are superb balls to the wall sprints with some super selling in the Eddie match in particular.

If I was just listing general Benoit WCW matches, then aye the Bret match should be included. Though tbh I was listing matches that I personally considered his better matches.
One of the main reasons I included that match is because it's (sadly) the only Bret WCW match above **** unless I'm missing something. It's by far the best Bret WCW match, and top 10 at worst for Benoit in WCW.
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Bret doesn't have many matches worth watching in WCW, I recall a Sting match from 98 or 99 that a few people seemed to really dig but I can't say I'm inclined to watch it since Bret in that time period isn't terribly exciting to me, and Crow Sting whilst being a refreshing/edgy character made for a really shitty worker compared to his 89-94 Surfer Sting persona.
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Bret doesn't have many matches worth watching in WCW, I recall a Sting match from 98 or 99 that a few people seemed to really dig but I can't say I'm inclined to watch it since Bret in that time period isn't terribly exciting to me, and Crow Sting whilst being a refreshing/edgy character made for a really shitty worker compared to his 89-94 Surfer Sting persona.
I watched their HH98 match and rated it ** 3/4, really shitty ending and nothing special throughout. I know they have a Nitro match in 98 too, not sure if they have any others.
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Speaking of Bret in WCW, I watched a Nitro match against Hogan the other day. According to Bret, that was supposed to be the Nitro 98 main event with Bret getting the title. To think, with some coherent booking WCW could potentially (well...WOULD) still be alive today. What a waste of one of the greatest talents of all the time in Bret.

How does he go from one of wrestling's all time greatest years from an individual performer (1997 was also Bret's best year from a character standpoint as he truly was a polarizing individual) , to the fuck-fest that was 1998.

Bret-Benoit still rocks though, **** 1/4 from me.
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I'm in sort-of agreement with those underwhelmed by Angle-Benoit RR03. I like the match a lot (****1/4 for me) but it doesn't accelerate into that next level of heart-stopping theater like HBK-Taker, Bret-Austin, Eddie-Rey, Flair-Steamboat, HHH-Foley, Cena-Punk or any of the other consensus GOAT matches. I guess it all depends on what you want from a match as a viewer.
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I found the Royal Rumble match dull, uniteresting, boring and devoid of any emotion of urgency

Partly its because I knew Benoit wasnt going to win, but still. I just felt nothing. To me it looked like two guys going through the motions.

They could hit a million submission holds for all I care but neither guy looked that interested in the match, there didnt appear to be much of a story. It wasnt a fight. And it certainly didnt look one over the WWE title. It was just two guys grabbing each other in cool looking ways

meh
I'm that way with the Angle/Michaels match from WrestleMania 21. Don't see what was appealing in that one.

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vs Eddie 11/18/95 (one of the best sub 10 minute matches of all time)
vs Jericho 12/31/96 (one of the best sub 5 minute matches of all time)
vs Kevin Sullivan GAB FCA 1996
vs 2 Cold Scorpio (Superbrawl 1993)
vs Meng 1997

Those would be the essential Benoit WCW matches to watch IMO. He has a few really good Finlay matches which are great for the time they get, though sadly they never really get a real lengthy match like they did in 2006 on Smackdown.

As for Malenko, I really can't think of a better match he's had than the Norman Smiley Saturday Night match: sub 10 minute match packed full of really snug and unco-operative grappling/mat wrestling and without some of the more annoying pitfalls which dominate Malenko singles matches.
The Finlay/Benoit matches were still good. Slamboree '98 being the main one. 14 minutes and they gave us something worth while(***3/4). First time Benoit took the suicide dive into the chair spot...unless he did it upon a random ECW/Japan match.

Which Meng match are you referring to? They had two on PPV that year and they both run through my mind. Youtube is calling my name to settle this.

Oh, Benoit vs Sullivan from Superbrawl '97 is another superbly short bout. Swandive headbutt spot onto both Sullivan & Jacqueline. Radical. Fans ate that up so much.
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Which Meng match are you referring to? They had two on PPV that year and they both run through my mind. Youtube is calling my name to settle this.
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The Slamboree Benoit/Meng fucking rules. Benoit v DDP from SuperBrawl 98 would absolutely be an essential Benoit-In-WCW-Match as well. The Raven match at Souled Out 98 is probably the second best Raven match ever, and the Benoit/DDP/Raven three-way is also really good. Benoit also has really great short TV matches with Guerrero and Finlay in 1997. Hell, there's a million good Guerrero/Benoits in WCW. Every match with Booker T is good, and I've seen probably 13 of them. There's an Eddie/Jericho v Benoit/Malenko match from a 98 house show that I liked a ton. Every time he tagged with Bobby Eaton was a good time. Totally carries Sid to what's probably his best match at Souled Out 2000. Fall Brawl 96 v Jericho is really good. Souled Out 99 v Mike Enos is really good. The 9/20/99 Sting match is terrific and a top five Nitro match ever. There's two awesome Benoit/Mongo McMichael v Eddie/Jarrett matches which are two of the better Nitro matches ever. I forgot the Benoit/Finlay from June 98, which would also be a top ten Nitro match (unless it happened on Saturday Night IDFR- the match fucking rules either way). This is all going off of memory and I'd be forgetting a lot, but yeah, Benoit kicked some serious butt cheeks in WCW. I'd say there's quite a bit of "Don't Miss" for WCW Benoit.

Also IDK about Benoit and Fit not getting enough time on PPV - they got 15 minutes at Slamboree 98, which was the second longest match on that show.


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On last watch I was actually quite surprised how tame/subpar I actually found the Benoit/Angle mat wrestling in the Rumble encounter. Maybe I had it confused with another of their matches (I recall mania 17 having a more extensive mat wrestling portion) but when I actually watched it I never really found many of their counter wrestling and hold trading to be all that 'amazing'. Like I think Benoit/Finlay and Benoit/Regal absolutely destroy that match when it comes to the quality of hold for hold trading and mat wrestling counters.
I would be baffled if the mat work in the Benoit/Angle is any good. They do some nice counters and all, but is it really "mat wrestling" at all? I don't need "mat wrestling" for the match to be good, though. I should watch the match later today.

As far as Angle's best opponent's goes, I wouldn't have HBK anywhere. They didn't have a single match that was one tenth as good as Angle's match with Marty Jannetty. That match also falls under the 'fucking rules' category.
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Its the same thing people always say

Kurt excels when he wrassles someone old school

Simple as that

I can only imagine how a Kurt Angle match vs Funk or Lawler in memphis could go over
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Its the same thing people always say

Kurt excels when he wrassles someone old school
I've never heard anybody say that.
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