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Old 10-07-2012, 06:06 PM   #6931 (permalink)
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RR03 was a classic. The constant submission exchanges are unforgettable. The way they were countered and all. Plus Benoit hit one of his best headbutts ever from 3 corners away if I recall correctly. Just an all-round enjoyable match that is over before you expect it because you really get into it.
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Old 10-07-2012, 06:12 PM   #6932 (permalink)
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I like the Austin TV matches, but wouldn't rate them that high. I did forget the 3/3/06 match with Taker, though. That match fucking rules. If it isn't the #3 Angle match it's #4 or 5.

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I'd say they only really had one bad match - the cage on Raw. Mania 17 was kinda boring, but not bad. Backlash and Insurextion 2001 (w/e the fuck it's called) I liked. I also liked the three stages of hell, but the last fall (that ladder match fall) was really shitty. Been a while since I've watched Unforgiven 02 and Rumble 03, but that'd have to be their best matches. I was going to watch RR again when I had the RR03 DVD in for HHH/Steiner, but that's an untouchable classic that would have eclipsed anything after it (PS THAT'S the best WWE WHC match, btw). Their chemistry is really overrated and I don't think they ever had a MOTYC or anything, but most of their matches were fine.
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Angle/Benoit RR 03 is the greatest match of all time for me, though no other Angle/Benoit match comes close or that I would call a classic.

Also in regards to Taker/Angle NWO 06, 5 stars, 5th greatest match of all time for me, best WHC match and Angle's 2nd best match.. I love the match more and more each time I watch it. Love it for the same reason I love Angle/Benoit. Also besides HBK, I'd say Angle is Taker's best opponent. While their two PPV matches in 2000 left much to be desired, from 2002 on I struggle to find a match between them I consider less than ****.

Taker/Angle NWO 06- *****
SD03- ****3/4
Vengeance Triple Threat with Rock- ****1/2 (if you count this)
SD06- ****1/4
SD02- ****

Amazing chemistry between them. Shame we never saw them go at it at WM.
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I found the Royal Rumble match dull, uniteresting, boring and devoid of any emotion of urgency

Partly its because I knew Benoit wasnt going to win, but still. I just felt nothing. To me it looked like two guys going through the motions.

They could hit a million submission holds for all I care but neither guy looked that interested in the match, there didnt appear to be much of a story. It wasnt a fight. And it certainly didnt look one over the WWE title. It was just two guys grabbing each other in cool looking ways

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I like the Austin TV matches, but wouldn't rate them that high. I did forget the 3/3/06 match with Taker, though. That match fucking rules. If it isn't the #3 Angle match it's #4 or 5.

I'd say they only really had one bad match - the cage on Raw. Mania 17 was kinda boring, but not bad. Backlash and Insurextion 2001 (w/e the fuck it's called) I liked. I also liked the three stages of hell, but the last fall (that ladder match fall) was really shitty. Been a while since I've watched Unforgiven 02 and Rumble 03, but that'd have to be their best matches. I was going to watch RR again when I had the RR03 DVD in for HHH/Steiner, but that's an untouchable classic that would have eclipsed anything after it (PS THAT'S the best WWE WHC match, btw). Their chemistry is really overrated and I don't think they ever had a MOTYC or anything, but most of their matches were fine.
Its either a January 01 or 02 match that I know Rickey, Seabs and a couple of others really dig (like 4 stars on ye old star ratings system).

On last watch I was actually quite surprised how tame/subpar I actually found the Benoit/Angle mat wrestling in the Rumble encounter. Maybe I had it confused with another of their matches (I recall mania 17 having a more extensive mat wrestling portion) but when I actually watched it I never really found many of their counter wrestling and hold trading to be all that 'amazing'. Like I think Benoit/Finlay and Benoit/Regal absolutely destroy that match when it comes to the quality of hold for hold trading and mat wrestling counters.

Rumble match isn't my cup of tea but it does have a couple of redeeming qualities, main one being it really feels like Benoit's star blossoming into a main event wrestler, especially considering the break between this match and the Edmonton Austin match in 01 and how the injury took away the momentum he built up in May 2001. I just find the whole suplex-suplex parity and then later submission parity spots to just be too overblown and not done nearly as well as other matches which aim to build the match around 'wrestling' but achieve parity in a far more structured and logical fashion (Benoit/Finlay being the crem de la creme here). Plus I've really grown to hate the recurring spots in their matches where one guy eats 2 germans only to counter on the 3rd one: I realise this statement will draw in 'you look too deep into the match' criticisms but I find it to basically piss on the 2 germans by rendering them obsolete (to me if you take 2 germans you shouldn't be countering into 2/3 of your own seconds later) as well as being highly illogical: i.e surely you'd counter the first german attempt rather than the last.

Mehh I should stop before I give myself a brain freeze or something.


(Edit): Austin and Taker are Angle's best opponents by a country mile, Mysterio would be a distant third and then I'd probably call Jarrett a better opponent for Angle than HBK.

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On a different note, I just finished watching Benoit vs Malenko at Hog Wild 1996 (WCW). I rate it at ****. Great, great mat wrestling that goes for about 30 minutes without getting boring although the time limits did take away from it a little. Also lol @ Nancy's little interference towards the end. I have to check out some more of Malenko's stuff as well as pre-WWE Benoit. Oh and one more thing I noticed is how much no-selling is done in the two WCW matches from Benoit I've seen (Owen tribute with Bret Hart being the other one). Piledrivers are given and kicked out of at two like they're absolutely nothing.
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Just watched the Punk doc.. Makes me wish Jesus SES Punk so much.

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vs Eddie 11/18/95 (one of the best sub 10 minute matches of all time)
vs Jericho 12/31/96 (one of the best sub 5 minute matches of all time)
vs Kevin Sullivan GAB FCA 1996
vs 2 Cold Scorpio (Superbrawl 1993)
vs Meng 1997

Those would be the essential Benoit WCW matches to watch IMO. He has a few really good Finlay matches which are great for the time they get, though sadly they never really get a real lengthy match like they did in 2006 on Smackdown.

As for Malenko, I really can't think of a better match he's had than the Norman Smiley Saturday Night match: sub 10 minute match packed full of really snug and unco-operative grappling/mat wrestling and without some of the more annoying pitfalls which dominate Malenko singles matches.
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vs Eddie 11/18/95 (one of the best sub 10 minute matches of all time)
vs Jericho 12/31/96 (one of the best sub 5 minute matches of all time)
vs Kevin Sullivan GAB FCA 1996
vs 2 Cold Scorpio (Superbrawl 1993)
vs Meng 1997

Those would be the essential Benoit WCW matches to watch IMO. He has a few really good Finlay matches which are great for the time they get, though sadly they never really get a real lengthy match like they did in 2006 on Smackdown.

As for Malenko, I really can't think of a better match he's had than the Norman Smiley Saturday Night match: sub 10 minute match packed full of really snug and unco-operative grappling/mat wrestling and without some of the more annoying pitfalls which dominate Malenko singles matches.
The Owen tribute match has to be in there imo. Just watched it for the first time last night, **** 1/2 stars
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Meh, Bret doesn't do much for me these days. Its not like they did a lot of things badly, but its just not the sort of match style I'm compelled to watch again and again. Matches I listed are shorter and feature Benoit at his bumping and violent best (Meng and Sullivan matches), Scorpio match is a great technician vs high flyer match and the Eddie/Jericho matches are superb balls to the wall sprints with some super selling in the Eddie match in particular.

If I was just listing general Benoit WCW matches, then aye the Bret match should be included. Though tbh I was listing matches that I personally considered his better matches.
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