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Old 10-03-2012, 12:53 PM   #6661 (permalink)
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What are the best Smackdown 2003 matches?
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:58 PM   #6662 (permalink)
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David/Goliath chemistry varies depending on what sort of 'David' you're after. Sting/Vader is pretty much the blueprint to that sort of style IMO but if you consider David vs Goliath to mean 'big vs small' then Lesnar/Mysterio seems more appropriate, as Sting can hardly be considered a small man against most opponents. Both have insane chemistry however and the Dustin/Vader matches from 1992 and 1994 are tremendous, I know sterling considers the 1994 bout to be the best WCW match ever according to his top 100 ballot he submitted: which was all kinds of awesome.

Lawler/Bigelow was an excellent example of how Lawler can work a David vs Goliath formula, and Takayama in All Japan/NOAH has had some excellent matches under the same formula due to his sheer size and incredible offence. Takayama and Tenryu's singles matches in NOAH against KENTA are probably KENTA's two greatest matches not involving Danielson and they're straight out of the David vs Goliath story.

Vader is probably the best big man wrestler to work that sort of style, given he has the offence to make anyone a biable underdog regardless of their size as well as the supreme agility to bump big and make his opponent's comeback offence look spectacular and draw the viewer into believing Vader is up against the ropes. It doesn't hurt that he's also incredibly smart in laying out a lot of his matches so he achieves the perfect balance between making himself look vulnerable to the point that you can be invested in a possible upset, whilst still looking like the baddest motherfucker on the planet when he's on offence.

Come to think of it, Danielson/Henry really have all the makings of producing a stellar match if they ever get 15 minutes or more. The November Cage match bell to bell was one of the best matches in the company last year and that didn't get past 9 minutes.

Also new topic, what's everyone's current (screw all time since we're all likely to change our minds from time to time) favourite style/formula to a match? By this I mean WWE Main Event Wrestling, an Indy sprint, a Lucha 2/3 falls Title match (the classic 80s-90s Lucha here, not the post 2000 garbage), a southern tag, a southern brawl, Puro Main Event match etc etc.

I'd have to say over the past week and a bit I'm leaning more towards the British World of Sport style of wrestling, especially when they replace the swank matwork and add in some story and developing hatred in the match. Its amazing how well the WOS style was able to consistently produce these awesome matches filled with supreme matwork and hold trading, but that occasionally would produce some subtle stiffness and escalating violence that would be evident throughout the match and culminate near the end.

I recently watched Jim Breaks vs Adrian Street from 1972 (on youtube) and it was a stunning match, nearly on par with the famous Steve Grey vs Clive Myers bout from 1977 which is widely considered the best WOS bout. Both Street and Breaks are heels who like to mix in underhanded tactics in amongst their excellent chain wrestling, and you get some really violent and creative arm work as well as moments featuring fish hooks, gouging, biting, wrist manipulation, stiff forearms to the bridge of the nose etc. They managed to add enough of these heelish tactics in between the largely clean wrestling to slowly make each round (there's 6 in total) gradually get more and more heated throughout with both guys tiring of each other's existence by the end. Felt like a precursor to what you see from Finlay and William Regal.
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Anything involving Lesnar/Benoit/Angle/Rey/Eddie I'm guessing.
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Benoit/Lesnar, Lensar/Mysterio, Mysterio/Tajiri, Mysterio/Hardy, Lesnar/Angle Ironman are all good shouts, but personally I consider either Angle/Taker or Eddie/Tajiri vs WGTT 5/22 to be the match of the year. I'd call the Angle/Taker bout 'better' but I'd probably still opt for the tag in the end, since it features a tremendous Eddie performance and is just an all round splendid STF match and is definitely the match I'd rather watch again (no slight on Angle/Taker here).

Christ I've currently got the 5/22 tag on my current list of top 100 matches worldwide from 2000-2009, that's how much I dig it. Ya dig?

Watch the entire Eddie/Tajiri vs WGTT series btw, its a really overlooked series from that time but they produce 3 top quality matches even if the Ladder match from Judgement Day is likely the more famous of their series.
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:20 PM   #6665 (permalink)
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The Top 100 WWE Championship PPV Matches Ever : 20-11

20.


"Welcome back Kurt Angle!"

Brock Lesnar vs The Big Show vs Kurt Angle (Vengeance 2003) : **** 1/2


19.


"OH MY GOD! UMAGA'S FROTHING FROM THE MOUTH!"

John Cena vs Umaga (Last Man Standing ; Royal Rumble 2007) : **** 1/2


18.


"BEST IN THE WOOORRRLLLDDDDDD!"

CM Punk vs Chris Jericho (Wrestlemania XXVIII) : **** 1/2


17. (TIE)


"The Bloody rematch continues!"

Bret Hart vs The British Bulldog (In Your House V) : **** 1/2



"Bret Hart has the small package SYNCHED!"

Diesel vs Bret Hart (Survivor Series 1995) : **** 1/2


16.


"More technical then the previous month's matchup"

CM Punk vs John Cena (Summerslam 2011) : **** 1/2


15.


"MY GAWD! Cactus Jack has lost his mind!"

Triple H vs Cactus Jack (Hell in a Cell ; No Way Out 2000) : **** 1/2


14.


"Now BACK from the dead...."

The Rock vs Triple H (Ironman Match ; Judgment Day 2000) : **** 1/2


13.


"Eddie Guerrero is a POSSESSED man tonight!"

Eddie Guerrero vs JBL (Judgment Day 2004) : **** 1/2


12.


"Listen to this crowd..Half on the Hitman's side...The other half supporting the Undertaker!"

Bret Hart vs The Undertaker (One Night Only 1997) : **** 1/2


11.


"When I see your old lady, I'm going to give her a kiss on those soft, moist lips...WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

Ric Flair vs Randy Savage (Wrestlemania VIII) : **** 1/2




AAANYYYWAYSSS..... I have a few things that I need to address. Choketodeath, I love your shit man, but I don't like this perception that just because a match is older that it's necessarily better than a match of higher quality from a more recent time... I watched every single match on this list atleast twice, so when I rank matches I don't look at the years, I just go with what I believe is legitimately better. For instance, I believe that Rock/Benoit fans (mostly ROCK) vastly overrate Benoit/Rock. While it's a fucking awesome match, I can name close to 10 Benoit matches from 2004 that are better.

Sure there are alot of matches on this last from 11-12 , but that's because Punk's reign (workrate wise) has been better then about 90 percent of title reigns ever in terms of match quality. I can think about 2-3 reigns that are up there with it, but I'm not just going to discredit Punk because he's been putting on classic after classic RECENTLY. It's irrelevant to me when the match actually takes place, just whether or not it's a good match or not. I just hate it when people are hesitant to place a match in their top (insert number here) list because it happened recently. That'd be like me saying that (for those of you who watch the NFL) Cam Newton broke a ton of NFL rookie passing/rushing TD/Yard records , but we have to wait a few years before we compare it to other all time great rookie QB seasons. It's completely absurd.....For instance, two of my top five matches EVER have taken place in 09-12 (Taker-HBK WM matches).

To each his own I guess. I just don't like when we hold historical matches in higher regard JUST because they're historical. I've incoherently rambled on for long enough, so I guess I'm going to shut my mouth now. On a side not, I'd love to hear what you think of Punk's 11-12 WWE Championship matches and how they compare all time, as well as discuss 20-11 on my list and what could potentially be the top 10. LOVE YOU GUYS !
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RR 92 (considered a title match) better be on this list.
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Kingofkings, I appreciate the reply and I understand the point you're trying to make. It may just be my mentality that for something to truly be a classic, it'll take a while unless the match is so good it's an instant. The most recent example of that would be Punk/Cena MITB 2011, Orton/Christian OTL 2011 and Undertaker/HHH WM28 (not a title match!).

As a huge Benoit mark, the match with The Rock is easily in my top 10 of his greatest matches and that says a lot about the quality of it. Maybe I just enjoy it a lot more, but there's some magic in that match that I absolutely love!

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Benoit/Lesnar, Lensar/Mysterio, Mysterio/Tajiri, Mysterio/Hardy, Lesnar/Angle Ironman are all good shouts, but personally I consider either Angle/Taker or Eddie/Tajiri vs WGTT 5/22 to be the match of the year. I'd call the Angle/Taker bout 'better' but I'd probably still opt for the tag in the end, since it features a tremendous Eddie performance and is just an all round splendid STF match and is definitely the match I'd rather watch again (no slight on Angle/Taker here).

Christ I've currently got the 5/22 tag on my current list of top 100 matches worldwide from 2000-2009, that's how much I dig it. Ya dig?

Watch the entire Eddie/Tajiri vs WGTT series btw, its a really overlooked series from that time but they produce 3 top quality matches even if the Ladder match from Judgement Day is likely the more famous of their series.
These are pretty much all the top matches from 2003 on Smackdown but I got a few more. Undertaker/Cena a few weeks before SummerSlam and Cena/Benoit on the same night as Benoit/Lesnar.
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Edit: Double post.
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Fucking hell it's so hard to find any matches I wanna check out on Youtube. I've watched all my DVDs atm so I need to get more. Withdrawl symptoms! Anyone got a link to a good channel?
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Fucking hell it's so hard to find any matches I wanna check out on Youtube. I've watched all my DVDs atm so I need to get more. Withdrawl symptoms! Anyone got a link to a good channel?
What is it your looking for? i know a lot of channels that are full of Puro wrestler, i know some that have old nwa/wcw videos, I think i know a channal that has some old WWF coliseum videos on there.

Tell me what your looking for I'll probably know a channel that has it.
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