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post #6591 of 20566 (permalink) Old 09-29-2012, 03:26 PM
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Cena doesn't get enough credit. He has some of the worst fucking haters. Cena and Trips for that matter but at least to AE marks HHH was part of that era. Cena doesn't even have that to fall back on lol. Just madness. If you look at the guy's match list and still say that he can't wrestle then you have a problem tbh. BUT HE WUZ CARIED IN ALL OF DEM DURRR
Word. I was having an argument with this idiot on youtube the other day and he just never seemed to get it. For everything I say, he would randomly start rambling about some stupid Indy match and kept saying that Cena was carried in every good match he's had. He had the nerve to blame Cena for the hip toss in the match with Mr. Kennedy where he tore his pectoral muscle even though Kennedy sandbagged on that one. His haters are just plain stupid and have some sort of brain problems. They whine about how he only knows five moves but as soon as he try something new, they chant "You still suck". If I am at an event, I will boo him for his character, but to those that say "You can't wrestle"... just fuck off!

And your feelings on Cena mirror mine perfectly. I am a big fan of the guy, enough to place him in my top 5, but his character is so damn horrible, I just can't stand him to an extent. Otherwise he's a great wrestler with plenty of charisma and the best mic skills in the biz today. I don't know if anyone remembers it, but post-Extreme Rules, I went on some lengthy anti-Cena rants that made me look worse than his biggest haters ever have. I was just straight up pissed off at the bullshit they were doing with him and his "good guy" crap. I've relaxed on that big time ever since.

And for those that care, Great American Bash 04 review coming later tonight! Now I no longer have to be jealous of Starbuck's 2004 PPV collection!
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The reason people don't like is wrestling is a) they're haters and b) he's unorthodox. He doesn't have 50 suplexes but he's still a damn fine worker. My only problem is he has a bit of Angle in him in that his selling is kinda bad. He's been having this trend more recently, but part of me thinks that's cause he wants a break and doesn't give a fuck right now. I mean after he "won" that Punk match his celebration was ridiculous.
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I would take an average quality Cena main event over pretty much anything Davey Richard has ever done in singles competition.

At times Cena can sell poorly but most of the time he's spot on.



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I was on a Shoot phase the past 3 days so here's what I've gotten to

Timeline 97- Great stuff, surprised they skipped over some things though (Bret vs the Patriot).

Cornette Youshoot- Fucking great, amazing how he and Russo could be on "speaking terms" after this one. I couldn't stop laughing at some of the shit he said, watched all I think 6 hours of it including the lost questions. Worst part of it was the offthemarkshow.com guys, what a bunch of fucking jabronis. at Cornette getting pissed off at them, can't blame him

Gabe guest booker- Yawn, turned it off after about 20 minutes

Raven guest booker- Started off slow, but then he picked it up. Didn't have notes (like Russo), so I can cut him some slack

Sheik ring roast- Jimmy Graham and Bundy fucking flopped, lol at Muraco going up there and just praising everyone. Highlights were Backland, the comedians besides Graham, Volkoff, Blair getting bitchslapped, and Hall's drunken rage (even though it was for a good reason he did that)

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Cena's selling is a weird one. On one hand, I think he can act too tired when he hasn't been worked over that much. On the other hand, he can pop out of nowhere and have a pretty annoying version of the Hulk Up. Still, he's definitely at his best working from the bottom and has pretty great short-term selling.

Can't say I'm a big fan of Cena on offense; he has a lot of stuff that doesn't look that good. Hate his suplex. If he had 50 suplex variations he'd probably suck at throwing all of them, so I'm glad he works within his limitations. Punches aren't too good (to the face, anyway, I like it when he fires away at a mid-section). He should never work a hold unless it's a headlock. To bad he's got an STF for a submission.

He has gotten better at countering stuff since mid last year. I don't think countering stuff is really all that necessary in a match, but sometimes he'd try it anyway like at WrestleMania 26 where I remember a really shitty sunset flip Batista Bomb counter or something like that. Overall the guy's a really good worker.

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The Great American Bash 2004:

John Cena vs RVD vs Booker T vs René Duprée - ***
- A decent opener with some nice back-and-forth between four solid midcard talents at this point and Cena retains the US title.

Luther Reigns vs Charlie Haas - **
- Filler. I mean the reason this match happened was because Charlie spoke to Cena backstage after his match. This match is just one-notch above a squash match for up and comer, Reigns.

Rey Mysterio vs Chavo Guerrero - ***1/2
- A high speed cruiserweight match and the type that makes this division so entertaining. Great back and forth and they are given plenty of time to work with and both deliver as usual!

Kenzo Suzuki vs Billy Gunn - *1/2
- Filler once again.

Sable vs Torrie Wilson - *1/2
- They get far too much time for such a meaningless match and what's up with Sable flip-flopping between face and heel status?

Mordecai vs Hardcore Holly - **
- Mordecai's character is pretty interesting and his theme is pretty cool but this is the third filler on the PPV card and fourth if you count Sable/Torrie. The entire 'story' for this is some random backstage fight they had the Smackdown before. Just a squash match of sorts for Mordecai to establish himself, that's all.

Eddie Guerrero vs JBL - ***3/4
- Weird stipulation with the Texas Bullrope thing but it ended up being very entertaining. I had no idea how this match worked coming into it but I can say I enjoyed this match although the stipulation should just remain a rarity. Screwjob finish of sorts when Eddie looks like he has won it until "Mr. Angle" bursts his bubble and announces JBL as the new WWE Champion because his shoulder his the turnbuckle first.

The Undertaker vs Dudley Boyz - **1/2
- The match itself is pretty uninteresting. There's more focus on Heyman/Bearer/Taker and what will take place by the cement truck than in the ring. Also it was stupid having Taker go through all of that to save Bearer if he was going to bury him within the cement anyways.

Overall: ** out of ***** (Two good matches and a decent opener then the rest of the card just sucks. Roster seems so thin that they had to get in three unannounced matches! That speaks for itself, this is much like a modern PPV card with only a couple of storylines and the rest just being completely random and time killers. Shit PPV although the cruiserweight and bullrope matches are recommended.)
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:/ at Taker/Dudleyz main eventing that show over JBL/Eddie. Could have put that in the middle of the show and gave it the same impact.

I like the bullrope match though. Don't remember Chavo/Mysterio but I've heard good things. That US title match has intrigued me but I've never caught it.



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Undertaker vs Dudley Boys is a fuckin DUD. Eddie/JBL deserved better than being jipped just to have Undertaker kill off Paul Bearer.

(that's legit as some people know Taker is my guy)

I'd advise skipping the 4 Way United States title, Brye. Nothing special at all. In fact, it kind of sucks considering who is involved. Mysterio vs Chavo is a must. OWNS.

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:/ at Taker/Dudleyz main eventing that show over JBL/Eddie. Could have put that in the middle of the show and gave it the same impact.

I like the bullrope match though. Don't remember Chavo/Mysterio but I've heard good things. That US title match has intrigued me but I've never caught it.
I think they wanted the Taker/Dudley's match to close the show because of the climatic finish with him burying his manager, Paul Bearer. I dont think it would have seemed as impactful if it were in the middle/begining half of the show but that's just my opinion.

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Always wondered why Taker/Dudleys main evented. Made no sense to me, and honestly still doesn't because the WWE Title match was built up as a main event and should've been the main event.

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