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Was bored last night and popped in Epic Journey of Dwayne Johnson Blu-ray to look at some of the matches that are features and saw Shamrock vs. Mankind vs. Rock Steel Cage match @ Break Down for the first time.

Really good match. Nice moves by all three men the whole match. The Rock was coming into his own during this time and the crowd was all Rock. They would boo Mankind and Shamrock every time they would hit him it was funny.

Saw a little of pre-Rock 'n' Sock during this whenever Rock and Mankind would team up to beat up Shamrock.

Funny when Rock would have his moment teaming up with either Mankind or Shamrock to beat someone in the match whenever either one of them would turn his back on The Rock, Rock would make a :fly: face and then hit the person he was teaming with a second ago behind his back, and the crowd was totally popping for Rock like crazy.

LOL

Foley also does a crazy spot where he can win the match then decides to climb the top of the cage and tries to copy Jimmy Snuka with the crazy body drop on The Rock. He does it but then Rock moves out of the way at the last second LOL

Crazy drop.

Not really a big fan of steel cage matches but this is one of my favorites. All three men worked really well together. I also love the spot where Shamrock does an abdominal stretch on Mankind then Rock is getting up from being hit then he does another :fly: face behind Shamrock/Mankind then he also puts Shamrock into an abdominal stretch and it becomes a triple abdominal strech. LOL Crazy...

Rating: 8/10 (Sorry, I suck at star ratings.)
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Btw, I hate when smarks take apart a match (moves mostly), and go "Why did he go that route, why did he do this instead of that, he should've stay here instead of going there, he needed to duck/block it, he did a C before B, etc." It's hilarious really, because people complain about storytelling and talk about spot monkeys, and at the same time they write about SPOTS in their reviews. Mostly. Double standards suck.
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Doing a little mini project here for mania, I'm going to rank all of the Wrestlemania main events from worst to best. Just finished up the WM XI main event, and I'm not going to reveal my in-depth rankings until I'm finished later this week but here are a few random observations:

- Hogan/Andre and the WM I tag are both MEH, while I enjoyed the Hogan/Bundy cage and Hogan/Slaughter matches quite a bit, but since I enjoy spectacle, Hogan/Andre and the WM I tag get elevated quite a bit, especially the former even though it's a piece of garbage by all rights

- I have the WM 5 & 6 main events on even plateau, even if it seems as though a majority of people prefer the latter match.

- Sid yelling like a crazed maniac and the crowd in the hoosier dome being nuts for Hogan make the WM VIII main event somewhat watchable. I mean, damn. At times Sid was the MAN !

- Why was WM XI in Hartford Conneticut? The crowd was absolutely horrendous and it felt like a house show. Shame because the main event is actually watchable. BAD, but watchable.

- Bret was flat out AWESOME in the WM IX main event. The energy he brings to that match makes it a very good/great watch to me, if only for a 9-10 minute main event. Completely underrated performance IMHO.

- Gonna take an hour break and then watch the...SIGH...Ironman match. I'm actually curious to see how it holds up to me right now. Last watch I had it about *** 1/4 but we'll see now, won't we ?
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Does anyone buy from ioffer.com? Website I found this past week that sells wrestling dvds (and other stuff) cheap. Found a great deal on WWF/E DVDs. Anyone use it and if so good or bad? Thabks in advance.

As for your project King of Kings.....

Savage/DiBiase is an underrated Mania main event. Short yes but still awesome. If they would have got like 17-18 mins it could have been one of the best WM main events ever.

If the rumors are not tru and we dont get Punk V Austin at Mania next year Im hoping for Punk/Bryan which has the potential to be one of the best main events ever at a WM down the road.
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I've used Ioffer quite a bit. I haven't had any problems and you can get pretty much any show you can think of, and cheap too.
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Yeah it looks almost too good to be true. Hope it works out for me. I'm about to buy a shit ton of old PPVs.
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HHH v Batista v Chris Benoit v Chris Jericho v Edge v Randy Orton (Elimination Chamber) - New Year's Revolution 2005
This is IMO the best Elimination Chamber match in the WWE. The thing I realized while watching this match was is how much WWE puts into telling a story with their matches and how the match is built around the story going into it rather than a move for move sequence. It's very important to know the story going into this match, it adds so much more to the experience. Basically, at this point in time Orton had left Evolution for some months and just loathed Triple H and wanted that chance to recapture World Heavyweight Gold. Batista was showing signs of turning his back on HHH as there was a Beat The Clock Challenege to determine who would enter last, in which Batista beat Triple H's time. A backstage altercation between Orton and Batista the night of the event reveals Batista's intentions to seize the opportunity and take the world title off The Game, however, Batista reassures Triple H that he has no such intentions and said that just to play with Orton's mind and not give out his strategy- a strategy thought to him by The Nature Boy himself. Batista reminds the game though that nothing can stop him from winning the world title if Triple H is eliminated early before leaving the dressing room.

The match starts off with Benoit and Jericho doing what they do best. Both men just wrestle with one another and tease their submission signature moves for the first 5 minutes of the match until Triple H enters the match where he introduces the chamber itself as a weapon, busting Benoit open. Jericho then tosses Triple H to the outside, Triple H's back connecting with steel. Edge then enters as number 4. Several sounds of flesh slamming into steel later and Orton enters as entrant number 5 in an impressive showing. Orton clears house and directly goes for Triple H slamming him into the chamber and whipping his ass all over. Jericho attempts a move but Orton, out of nowhere, delivers an RKO. He goes to deliver one to Benoit when he counters into the crippler crossface. Triple H taunts Orton slapping him in the face as Benoit applies pressure. Benoit then release the hold and goes for The Game, putting him in the sharpshooter. Orton, however, breaks the hold signifying that he wants to be the one to eliminate the game. As Orton tries to recuperate the injured shoulder, Edge sizes his up for a Spear only for Orton to duck causing Edge to Spear referee Shawn Michaels. Edge later spears Orton but is unable to eliminate him. He then wakes up HBK slapping in the face causing Shawn Michaels to hit Edge some Sweet Chin Music. Jericho then hits the Lionsault eliminating Edge.

Several moments later Benoit climbs to the top of one of the pods and delivers his signature flying headbutt onto Triple H. Jericho then puts The Game in The Walls Of Jericho while Benoit locks in the Crippler Crossface. The Game manages to endure the pain for 10 seconds as an angry Batista soon enters destroying everyone in this path. From here the match starts to slow down a bit. It was just this down period that could have been handled better. Nonetheless, Batista spinebusters Benoit then proceeds to deliver a spinebuster to Jericho on top of Benoit, eliminating Benoit. Chris Jericho is later eliminated via a Batista Bomb.

At this point, Batista and Triple H begin to team up on Randy Orton. A busted open Randy Orton tries his best to fight off both men in the ring but Batista sets him up for the Batista Bomb. Orton, however, delivers a low blow followed by the RKO eliminating Batista. The match comes down to Orton and Triple H. Orton who is about to win, is quickly ambushed by Batista (who didn't leave the chamber immediately after his chamber) as Ric Flair distracts the referee. Triple H then proceeded to deliver the pedigree to Orton retaining his World Heavyweight Championship.

A great match. Perfect storytelling. The only fault this match has is that the cool down period was just lacking. After Edge's elimination the match just fell a bit short. It's not the fact that the match slowed down, it was needed. I just felt that it could have been done a little bit better. Nonetheless, this is IMO the best chamber match. No need to send anyone flying through the glass pods. Just incorporate the storyline into the match. Simple and effective high spots just make it that more memorable and exciting. This match was so damn close to perfection if it just wasn't for the half-assed (they were just getting by) cool down period.

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NYR 05 Chamber- ****1/2 (Second best chamber match behind the original imo).

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Doing a little mini project here for mania, I'm going to rank all of the Wrestlemania main events from worst to best. Just finished up the WM XI main event, and I'm not going to reveal my in-depth rankings until I'm finished later this week but here are a few random observations:

- Hogan/Andre and the WM I tag are both MEH, while I enjoyed the Hogan/Bundy cage and Hogan/Slaughter matches quite a bit, but since I enjoy spectacle, Hogan/Andre and the WM I tag get elevated quite a bit, especially the former even though it's a piece of garbage by all rights

- I have the WM 5 & 6 main events on even plateau, even if it seems as though a majority of people prefer the latter match.

- Sid yelling like a crazed maniac and the crowd in the hoosier dome being nuts for Hogan make the WM VIII main event somewhat watchable. I mean, damn. At times Sid was the MAN !

- Why was WM XI in Hartford Conneticut? The crowd was absolutely horrendous and it felt like a house show. Shame because the main event is actually watchable. BAD, but watchable.

- Bret was flat out AWESOME in the WM IX main event. The energy he brings to that match makes it a very good/great watch to me, if only for a 9-10 minute main event. Completely underrated performance IMHO.

- Gonna take an hour break and then watch the...SIGH...Ironman match. I'm actually curious to see how it holds up to me right now. Last watch I had it about *** 1/4 but we'll see now, won't we ?
Interesting idea. Can't say I've watched all the WM ME's, but I have seen WM3, WM5, WM6, WM12-WM27... that's 19, I should at least watch one of those ones I haven't to make it an even 20... but meh:

18) Cena vs. Miz WM27 (*1/2)
17) Undertaker vs. Sid WM13 (*3/4)
16) Orton vs. HHH WM25 (**)
15) Batista vs. HHH WM21 (**1/2)
14) Jericho vs. HHH WM18 (**3/4)
13) Cena vs. HHH WM22 (***1/4)
12) Rock vs. Foley vs. Big Show vs. HHH WM16 (***1/2)
11) Austin vs. Rock WM15 (***3/4)
10) Austin vs. HBK WM14 (****)
9) HBK vs. Hart WM12 (****)
8) Hogan vs. Warrior WM6 (****)
7) Hogan vs. Savage WM5 (****)
6) Cena vs. HBK WM23 (****)
5) Lesnar vs. Angle WM19 (****1/4)
4) Undertaker vs. Edge WM24 (****1/4)
3) HBK vs. Benoit vs. HHH WM20 (****1/2)
2) Undertaker vs. HBK WM26 (****1/2)
1) Rock vs. Austin WM17 (*****)

Note: Just can't rate Hogan/Andre.
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HHH v Batista v Chris Benoit v Chris Jericho v Edge v Randy Orton (Elimination Chamber) - New Year's Revolution 2005
This is IMO the best Elimination Chamber match in the WWE. The thing I realized while watching this match was is how much WWE puts into telling a story with their matches and how the match is built around the story going into it rather than a move for move sequence. It's very important to know the story going into this match, it adds so much more to the experience. Basically, at this point in time Orton had left Evolution for some months and just loathed Triple H and wanted that chance to recapture World Heavyweight Gold. Batista was showing signs of turning his back on HHH as there was a Beat The Clock Challenege to determine who would enter last, in which Batista beat Triple H's time. A backstage altercation between Orton and Batista the night of the event reveals Batista's intentions to seize the opportunity and take the world title off The Game, however, Batista reassures Triple H that he has no such intentions and said that just to play with Orton's mind and not give out his strategy- a strategy thought to him by The Nature Boy himself. Batista reminds the game though that nothing can stop him from winning the world title if Triple H is eliminated early before leaving the dressing room.

The match starts off with Benoit and Jericho doing what they do best. Both men just wrestle with one another and tease their submission signature moves for the first 5 minutes of the match until Triple H enters the match where he introduces the chamber itself as a weapon, busting Benoit open. Jericho then tosses Triple H to the outside, Triple H's back connecting with steel. Edge then enters as number 4. Several sounds of flesh slamming into steel later and Orton enters as entrant number 5 in an impressive showing. Orton clears house and directly goes for Triple H slamming him into the chamber and whipping his ass all over. Jericho attempts a move but Orton, out of nowhere, delivers an RKO. He goes to deliver one to Benoit when he counters into the crippler crossface. Triple H taunts Orton slapping him in the face as Benoit applies pressure. Benoit then release the hold and goes for The Game, putting him in the sharpshooter. Orton, however, breaks the hold signifying that he wants to be the one to eliminate the game. As Orton tries to recuperate the injured shoulder, Edge sizes his up for a Spear only for Orton to duck causing Edge to Spear referee Shawn Michaels. Edge later spears Orton but is unable to eliminate him. He then wakes up HBK slapping in the face causing Shawn Michaels to hit Edge some Sweet Chin Music. Jericho then hits the Lionsault eliminating Edge.

Several moments later Benoit climbs to the top of one of the pods and delivers his signature flying headbutt onto Triple H. Jericho then puts The Game in The Walls Of Jericho while Benoit locks in the Crippler Crossface. The Game manages to endure the pain for 10 seconds as an angry Batista soon enters destroying everyone in this path. From here the match starts to slow down a bit. It was just this down period that could have been handled better. Nonetheless, Batista spinebusters Benoit then proceeds to deliver a spinebuster to Jericho on top of Benoit, eliminating Benoit. Chris Jericho is later eliminated via a Batista Bomb.

At this point, Batista and Triple H begin to team up on Randy Orton. A busted open Randy Orton tries his best to fight off both men in the ring but Batista sets him up for the Batista Bomb. Orton, however, delivers a low blow followed by the RKO eliminating Batista. The match comes down to Orton and Triple H. Orton who is about to win, is quickly ambushed by Batista (who didn't leave the chamber immediately after his chamber) as Ric Flair distracts the referee. Triple H then proceeded to deliver the pedigree to Orton retaining his World Heavyweight Championship.

A great match. Perfect storytelling. The only fault this match has is that the cool down period was just lacking. After Edge's elimination the match just fell a bit short. It's not the fact that the match slowed down, it was needed. I just felt that it could have been done a little bit better. Nonetheless, this is IMO the best chamber match. No need to send anyone flying through the glass pods. Just incorporate the storyline into the match. Simple and effective high spots just make it that more memorable and exciting. This match was so damn close to perfection if it just wasn't for the half-assed (they were just getting by) cool down period.

****3/4

FANTASTIC review to one of my favorite matches of all time. This match was just dripping with drama and story. It accomplishes three key things: It draws us to the near end of HHH-Orton, it provides us a segway to the inevitable HHH-Batista feud, and last but certainly not least, IT'S A FUCKING KICK ASS MATCH. Own it on the Satan's Prison DVD, but I just ordered the rest of the 05 DVD's I didn't own, and I can't wait to watch the unedited "Benoit" version of this. Awesome.
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