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Old 09-17-2012, 05:43 PM   #6171 (permalink)
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At this point I'm about ready to call Cara one of the worst in ring wrestlers I've ever seen in a WWE ring. Forget for a minute about the likes of Khali and other guys whose gimmick/physique limited whatever ability they might have had, is there anyone worse than Cara in recent memory who wasn't hindered by some genetic/physical defect?

His offence is hilariously bad in terms of looking overly choreographed due to the slow speed he takes in executing it and everything feels like a video game with how haphazard and random it is. You really can't predict what he'll do next and its not in a good way like some crazed lunatic in a hardcore setting, it just comes off like the dude really has no sense of rhythm or what to do next and just looks completely lost. His actual offence in execution may actually be worse than Kofi Kingston's as well, which is shocking considering how dogshit and tame Kofi's offence is 99% of the time.

Then the awkward bumping...holy hell is that bad. He can't be overly expressive with the design of the mask but my god he's the anti Mysterio/Bourne in terms of conveying sympathy through his bumping. It looks so languid and lethargic and every bit of offence his opponent hits on him looks tamefully weak and removes any shread of investment you can have in his matches. Cody and Miz's offence everytime they touched him looked pathetically weak compared to anytime Mysterio was on the receiving end.

Christ at this point they should just scrap the gimmick and find a new guy and try and work a similar heir to Mysterio gimmick only with someone capable of bumping in a manner which can draw the crowd in as well as having a sense of timing on their big spots. Such a shame Bourne appears to be calamity mentally because he'd be perfect with/without a mask in terms of eating a gigantic beating, selling his arse off and working around hope spots and his comeback. Dude has looked the closest thing we'll get to a new Mysterio when he's been in a prominent singles role but he appears to be injury ridden and with Kendrick/London backstage issues.
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Old 09-17-2012, 05:56 PM   #6172 (permalink)
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Since we are discussing finisher kick-outs, what do you guys think is the best kick-out moment ever? Michaels kicking out of the Tombstone at WM25 and Taker kicking out of the Tombstone at WM27 have to be up there with the greatest.
Gotta be HBK at 25. That kickout made me believe that HBK might win it!....... Sort of .
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The Cara/Mysterio interaction really put a damper on my expectations for the eventual match between the two. I'm hoping it was just a case of them not wanting to really do much of anything on purpose so they could save everything for their WM match.

That being said, Cara is pretty fucking terrible.
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Old 09-17-2012, 05:58 PM   #6174 (permalink)
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In the NOC thread, I called Cara the fake boob of the wrestling industry. I don't really know what I meant by it, but I stand by it ne'ertheless.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:01 PM   #6175 (permalink)
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I'd say he's worse than Hitler but at least Hitler could engage and capture the imagination of the crowd


Above is obvious hyperbole but I saw this comparison made with Davey Richards once and I've been dying to put my own spin on it ever since.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:20 PM   #6176 (permalink)
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Judgment Day 2004:

Rey Mysterio/RVD vs Dudley Boyz - **1/2 (Generic tag team match. Meh. Next!)
Torrie Wilson vs Dawn Marie - ********** (The highlight of the night next to Eddie's excessive bleeding is by far Torrie exposing Dawn Marie's ass!)
Mordecai vs Scotty 2 Hotty - 1/2* (Squash match. Next!)
Charlie Haas/Rico vs Hardcore Holly/Billy Gunn - ** (Yawn.)
Chavo Guerrero vs Jacqueline - * (This is what they have Chavo doing?)
John Cena vs René Duprée - *** (Just a decent undercard match with some good work by both guys.)
Undertaker vs Booker T - **1/2 (Something feels off here. Maybe they don't have the chemistry or something but this match was rather dull. Damn you Lesnar for leaving!)
Eddie Guerrero vs JBL - **** (Pretty good match with a lot of back-and-forth although there's a bit too much time spent outside the ring. The highlight is obviously when JBL fucks Eddie up with that chair shot followed by the botched blading. Still, Eddie continued to perform like he hadn't lost a step for a lot longer than he should have. The DQ finish was stupid but I give Eddie props for how long he carried on despite the fact that he could have passed out any minute from the amount of blood loss.)

Overall: ** out of ***** (Pretty bad PPV to be honest, even worse than 2003. A good main event and a decent US Title match whereas everything else is filler or just plain uninteresting.)
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:24 PM   #6177 (permalink)
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That main event is probably at worst in my top 15 matches the company has ever put on. Feels right out of Memphis/Mid South circa 1985. Not sure how the DQ finish was bad, Eddie couldn't lose after all JBL had put him through and JBL couldn't afford to lose after everything he'd inflicted on Eddie as well as how new he was into the main event scene. DQ finish allowed Eddie's growing hatred for JBL's continued existence to be shown and for JBL to get a beating he'd warranted throughout the build to the match, as well as having a valid claim for a rematch with Eddie getting DQ'd.
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That main event is probably at worst in my top 15 matches the company has ever put on. Feels right out of Memphis/Mid South circa 1985. Not sure how the DQ finish was bad, Eddie couldn't lose after all JBL had put him through and JBL couldn't afford to lose after everything he'd inflicted on Eddie as well as how new he was into the main event scene. DQ finish allowed Eddie's growing hatred for JBL's continued existence to be shown and for JBL to get a beating he'd warranted throughout the build to the match, as well as having a valid claim for a rematch with Eddie getting DQ'd.
You make a good point, I just thought that since Eddie was going to lose at the next PPV, he might have as well gotten a victory here, specially in his traditional way to keep JBL from looking weak after having just been built up as the new top heel with Lesnar gone.
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I can see why you'd think that, but to me they had to find a way of keeping the feud alive for the Bullrope match and therefore JBL couldn't afford to lose under any circumstances, especially as he was a fresh face in the main event and desperately needed to be booked in a way that made people forget about his midcard APA days.

It came off as Eddie wanting to murder JBL and beat the living piss out of him, though JBL had a valid claim that maybe Eddie did it deliberately to save his championship. To me they couldn't have booked it better in terms of giving both guys reason to want to continue the feud as well as raising the stakes with JBL having clearly gotten to Eddie and made the feud extremely personal.
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Eddie V JBL Judgment Day 2004 ****1/2. One of the most underrated matches in WWE history.
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