[JoeRulz]

Originally Posted by A-DoubleBaby!

Seemed as though every time those two locked up, they did the whole competitive/who's the better wrestler etc etc type of match.

Because that was their story.

[Brye]

Watched WM 22 last night.

Carlito/Masters vs Big Show/Kane - **
MITB II - ***1/2
Benoit/JBL - ***1/4
Edge/Foley - ****1/4
Boogeyman/Booker - DUD
Mickie/Trish - ***1/2
Taker/Henry - **3/4
HBK/Vince - **** (I know most people aren't high on this but I love it)
Mysterio/Orton/Angle - ***1/2
Torrie/Candice - DUD
Triple H/Cena - ***1/2

Hadn't watched Trips/Cena in ages. Started off really slow but picked up at the end. Still like the NOC and Raw '09 matches much more from them.

Still tied as my favorite Mania with 24.

[sharkboy22]

Originally Posted by redeadening

Spots are pretty awesome. id be lying if i said otherwise. Triple H spinebusting Taker through the table was fricking epic

But they need context though. Like Taker vs Edge TLC match.

It was just spots, and setting up spots. It was retarded

To me the spottiest of all TLC matches is TLC I and TLC II. Both matches were nothing but "OMG HE JUST FELL 20 FEET INTO 4 TABLES!!"

In TLC I there was this one thing that was just bugging me. There were 2 tables set up at ringside. Devon, as usual, went to get some wood. Now, logically speaking here he would just go for the tables that were already set up since he's walking in the direction of them. Instead, he just walks past it and goes up further the ramp to get the table. It immediately gave away the fact that some shit was gonna happen. The other thing that bugged me was how coming down to the end it just became a game of who can fall through the most tables.

TLC II suffered the same stupid fate as TLC I. Once again, it's all about who can fall into tables. The only thing that I liked (loved) was Edge spearing Hardy. Such a badass moment. Everything else was just spot after spot. Not to mention the stupid swerve ending with Rhyno interfering. Both TLC I and II are just mindless spotfests that are only interesting on the initial viewing.

As for favourite Wrestlemanias, I don't know. WM X-7 hasn't aged well and people who say it's the best are just carrying on the talk or they simply truly believe that. But for me it's hard to chose between WM 19 and 24 as my favorurite.

WM 22 is a very, very fun Wrestlemania. There were a lot of fun gimmick matches that just made it a fun event. I also realize are lot of people aren't too high on Vince/HBK but from what I remember (haven't seen the match since 2006) it was freaking awesome.

[Brye]

I agree that X-7 hasn't aged too well. I still enjoy it but there are others I have over it. 19 is my third favorite. Loved that show. XX had some overly awesome stuff but at points it dragged too.

[JoeRulz]

I can agree that WM 17 is not the best in terms of "pure" quality (it never was, tbh), but it's still the most entertaining one. There was just something in the air.

Match quality? Not the best one. But the entertainment value? Fuck yes.

[sharkboy22]

Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels Vengeance 2005
Okay, first off I'm sorry that I ever was once told Angle was GOAT and I believed it. The guy's matches are based sole on his german and belly to belly suplexes, top rope high spots and a million counters to the ankle lock. Everything else in between is pure filler. The matches starts off with Angle working the LEFT arm of Michaels. Michaels goes outside, recovers the arm gets back in. The two face off . Angle does his traditional slaps away the arm and charges towards his opponent to psyche the opponent. This time he goes to target the RIGHT arm. Howeverm after slapping away the right arm he then proceeds to takedown HBK and work the leg. A couple minutes later the two are outside and Angle hits a german suplex onto the announce table. Now he's working the back. This next move bothered me. Angle sends Shawn off the ropes and puts him in a sleeperhold. Why? Why not an abdomial stretch? Why not lef trip him and put in a boston crab? You were working his BACK. So HBK suplex Angle off of him while in the side headlock. Gets the momentum shift but Angle throws him over the rope and he hits his knee on the floor. After that the next three minutes were Angle lock fest!!! The match ends with Angle not even bothering to go back to the ankle, instead he goes top the top rope but HBK connects with SCM as he jumps off.

***3/4 for the entertaining spots and it was a decent match bar the stupid psychology.

[A-DoubleBaby!]

Originally Posted by JoeRulz

Because that was their story.

I am aware of that and as I said I love their RR 03 match. Like I said, I would have liked to see them do something different.

As for Mania 17, I will agree that objectively it isn't the best mania. However, it still holds up for me as my favourite of all time and I'm perfectly willing to admit that a lot of that is probably the nostalgia factor.

[Gamblor]

Originally Posted by A-DoubleBaby!

Agreed on Angle/Taker being Kurt's best match(singles at least) and I'd have Kurt/Austin from Summerslam 01 at number 2.

As for the Benoit match, I do love it, and I do think it's one of Angle's best matches. However, I do wish those two would've had a match with a real face/heel dynamic. Seemed as though every time those two locked up, they did the whole competitive/who's the better wrestler etc etc type of match.

TBH, that is what I loved most about Angle/Benoit. They were fighting for the WWE Championship, and the match as a whole felt like it was a real match between two men to crown the champion. Nothing felt unrealistic, and everything just flowed perfectly. It's a 5 star classic in my book and in the top 5 best matches of all time for me (for the record, along with Taker/HBK HIAC and WM25, and Hart/Austin WM13).

After that, Angle's best matches are:

2) vs. Taker NWO06
3) vs. Taker SD03
4) vs. Austin Summerslam 2001

All three are close to 5 stars. I probably would put the SD 03 match at 5 stars if it had a proper finish like the NWO06 match, but the finish always leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Same with his match against Austin Summerslam 2001.

[GEOLINK]

Just watched Undertaker vs. Batista @ WM 23 for the first time on DVD since watching it live on PPV because of this thread.

Really good match. I remember marking out so much when Taker finally got Batista in the tombstone and beat him. It was a roller coaster ride of a match watching it live.

Still a good one watching it today.

[greendayedgehead]

Originally Posted by sharkboy22

Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels Vengeance 2005

I was disappointed in this one. Seeing those names I expected a thriller of a match, but the minutes went by and it was like nothing had happened. Failed to connect on any level, and that usually happens when I'm tired or distracted so I watched it twice for good measure and nope. Forgettable by their standards IMO

The overall show is actually pretty good though.

Carlito v Shelton was good. Shelton Benjamin is just so damned athletic, man. Kane v Edge was better than I thought it'd be, except the Snitsky interferences were literally the most random thing ever. Can't say I paid attention to the diva's match, although they did go for time (that was probably all Victoria's work, though.) Triple threat match was okay, although it was awkward noticing how Jericho and Christian were leading him through it so much.

I dropped a 5* rating on the main event earlier in the thread and to elaborate on it... wow. There's a special kind of match that comes along once in a while that completely sucks you in and makes you forget. I knew Batista was winning this one, but it didn't stop me from legit gasping at some of these false finishes. This match had some of the best usage and selling of weapons I've seen. The chain seemed bad enough, but then they brought out the weapon of death - steel chair wrapped in barbed wire - and things just got insane. They had the finish with the Batista Bomb where HHH picks up the sledgehammer and it was actually the death of me. I don't actually do many star ratings, and this is the only match that I've actually given an undoubted 5/5 to.

Why do people say Batista was a bad wrestler? He never struck me as such, and this match proved to me that he was more than capable of holding his own in a match.