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Dammit, I really have to watch this Hardy/Taker ladder match as soon as possible. Sounds like a real classic.

And speaking of guessing spots before they happened, table spot at HHH/HBK 3SOH match, anybody? Flair was randomly outside the cage, setting up the tables, then when the ladder part happened, it was obvious that someone was going through those tables. Funny how they happen in about every single TLC match.
Don't remember a damn thing about that HHH/HBK match. I've spent a few years doing my best to forget every single thing about it .

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Cole: VINTAGE UNDERTAKER
Cole: VINTAGE JEFF HARDY
Cole: VINTAGE MIZ
Lawler: Undertaker is cheating using the ladder as a weapon!
Lawler: C'mon Jeff! USE THE LADDER~!
Cole: Look at this folks, Hardy, Undertaker, Ladder and MIZ MIZ MIZ trending on twitter!
Lawler: TOUT TOUT TOUT
Cole: Khloe Kardashian says Jeff Hardy is cute
Lawler: Well you know what I think about Khloe Kardashian...she's a very handsome woman. *Lawler sighs and he reminisces to the days before he was tranquilized before each Raw and fit into an Ed Hardy t-shirt. The days when his mind was filled with PUPPIES*
Cole: IS THAT MIZ IN THE RING?
Mike Tenay: IS THAT THE MOZ IN THE IMPACT ZONE?

Really paints a picture of the match.


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WWE Championship PPV Matches : 1995

Diesel vs Bret Hart RR 95 : **** 1/4
Diesel vs Shawn Michaels WM XI : ***
Diesel vs Sid IYH 1 : ** 3/4
Diesel vs Sid IYH 2 : ** 3/4
Diesel/Shawn Michaels vs Yokozuna/British Bulldog IYH 3 : ** 3/4
Diesel vs Mabel SS 95 : * 3/4
Diesel vs The British Bulldog IYH 4 : **
Diesel vs Bret Hart SS 95 : **** 3/4
Bret Hart vs The British Bulldog IYH : **** 1/2


Diesel-Bret II on PPV upped the first match by a considerable margin. This time, Bret wastes no time mounting Diesel and maintaining his offense throughout the match, working Diesel's knee to perfection. Some people complain about Diesel's selling job in this match, but I think he does a brilliant job of limping around and making it look like he's in serious trouble. The Hart suicide dive outside the ring to maintain offense is awesome, and I like how they really sell the face-vs-face aspect of the match by not letting either man lose by DQ. Fantastic match here and Kevin Nash's second best match of all time.

HBK-Diesel from the 11th Wrestlemania is a tough one to grade. I thought they had a brilliant opening sequence, but after that I thought the match fizzled down a bit too slow before it kicks back up again a notch. There were some pretty great moments in this one , but for some reason this just didn't do it for me. It was a good match don't get me wrong, just not Wrestlemania in 1995 WWE Championship quality, when the belt was becoming more about who could put on the best show. Didn't feel like a big deal whatsoever, and Shawn kind of felt like an afterthought. I'm glad I SAW it, because there were some great moments, but I'm not sure on this one.

The two Diesel-Sid matches are just FUN. The first one works at a little slower pace, but it's still a smart power battle between two of the most popular big men (sans Taker) at the time. They keep the matches between the two at a little over 10 minutes, so there aren't alot of time for rest holds or anything, just straight up action. The Lumberjack match at the second IYH works at a much faster pace, is shorter, and is the better of the two by a small margin. I never expected these guys to put on such good matches, and for the main event of an IYH PPV, they felt appropriate. A completely different style than say Shawn-Bret, but entertaining nonetheless. The IYH 3 tag match with Shawn is a pretty good match as well with some really fun spots, it's just overshadowed by the obvious politics that were behind it. I stop to think about how good this match could have been, had it been Bulldog-Owen teaming up instead of Yoko-Bulldog. The ending makes absolutely NO SENSE, but I feel it's okay I suppose.

Now on to why people look at Diesel's title reign as a workrate failure (as well as a commercial failure on top of that) : his matches against Mabel and Bulldog. The SS match with Mabel I thought was BAD but entertaining... Just something about the ridiculousness of Viscera facing off against Kevin Nash in a 9 minute match at Summerslam really caught me by surprise. It's only short so the pace is actually pretty good, but that's why this match bombed ; This was the main event of SUMMERSLAM, so a kind of match like this was not acceptable (PS: This followed what I believe the greatest ladder match of all time, Shawn-Razor II). The Bulldog match on the other hand has NO excuses. These two have an absolutely terrible clash of styles, and it really shows here as this match consists of 17 minutes working on Diesel's legs. I actually sat down and counted how many moves Nash got in this one... SIX..In a 17 minute match and you're the reigning champ, BIGGER than your opponent, it's unacceptable. It's not technically BAD or anything, but I don't like it very much at all that's for sure.

We move on from that to what I believe to my the MOTY in 1995 and the best match in the career of Kevin Nash/Diesel , Bret Hart vs Diesel III from the Survivor Series. This match just totally exceeded my expectations , reaching levels of intensity and strict psychology that is even heavy for a BRET match. My god, the way Bret ties up Diesel with the mic cord and just works the leg is so vicious and intense from Bret, showing the desire that he will need in order to become the world champion. This is Nash's best performance ever, with some of the most epic selling that I have ever seen out of ANY worker, let alone Kevin Nash. This is a top 50 WWF/WWE match for sure in my mind, and it gets better with every single watch.

Bulldog-Bret II on PPV gets extremely rave reviews, and I've seen a couple of *****'s thrown it's way (including mr. Bret Mix AKA Austin101). I personally wouldn't go THAT high as it's not a perfect match or anything, but it's a fantasticly worked contest, and I'll go out on a limb and say that although the SS 92 match is BETTER per se, this is the superior worked match between the two. While Summerslam 92 was the biggest carry job every with one of the best atmosphere's ever, this match features crisp, solid in ring work from not one, but BOTH competitors. I thought the blood showed a shade of intensity that would be to come in the not so distant future, and I thought they did a really great job of telling a story that these two aren't the same that they were 3 years ago. Between this and SS 92, it's hard to pick a clear cut better match as they are 2 entirely different contests, but the SS 92 match gets the nod in my mind.

Next, we move on to DA YEAR OF HBK , and one of, if not THE greatest title reigns of all time (In-ring wise ) .





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Randy Orton v Sheamus Hell in a Cell 2010 ☆☆☆☆

This was a great back and forth battle between these two. Definately up there with some of my favorite HIAC , especially the more recent ones.
It had a real fast pace to it , which I felt added to a real chaotic feel of being inside the cell. Even the commentary was good , especially at the start building up the cell without it being used really added to the feel of this match. Finish was a bit rushed I felt and Orton kicking out of two broghe kicks seemed to hurt Sheamus's credibility a tad in my view.

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Don't remember a damn thing about that HHH/HBK match. I've spent a few years doing my best to forget every single thing about it .
Ha, lol. It's not that bad, c'mon!

Undertaker vs Jeff Hardy - Raw 2002 Ladder Match
I thought it was a bit too short but made good use of the amount of time it was given. Jeff Hardy works great as the underdog with the crowd heavily behind him and Undertaker does some good heel job when he gets up from a chair-shot and hits Jeff with two of them as if he's saying "Not today, asshole!" when Jeff is climbing. JR does an amazing job as usual selling the match and Undertaker's heel persona as if he's torturing "the poor kid". The Chokeslam on the ladder could have looked better but it's okay for what it was. Then post-match, JR is even funnier to listen to. "SOMEBODY CUT THE DAMN MIC OFF! THIS IS ENOUGH!" as Taker suddenly gives his props to Jeff.

Rating: ***3/4

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Ha, lol. It's not that bad, c'mon!
It really is . Personally I find the majority of their matches to be pretty crappy, but that one is utter shit with zero redeeming qualities .
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Yeah, it's funny how little chemistry HHH and HBK have, considering they're both amazing workers and it was always heel HHH (him at his best) vs face HBK. RR 04 sucks, 3SoH sucked, Taboo Tuesday sucked, most think HIAC sucked (although I really enjoy it).

Really their only good matches were SS 02, Raw December 03, and anything involving Benoit.





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I think the 3SOH match is fun

Hunter actually has a very interesting quote about that match on his DVD , he describes it as, AND I QUOTE "One of my favourites , by the end of the match me and Shawn were just laying there, we didn't even need to hit each other anymore because there was just so much pure emotion in the ring at that time... Definitely one of my favourites for sure"

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The problem is they tried to make every one of their matches feel so epic (in reality, the matchup speaks for itself) and it just backfired. It's one of those "more is less" instances. They tried too hard.





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I am going to watch Raw 03 very soon, but I have yet to see Taboo Tuesday and Bad Blood. For the rest... SS 02 is classic, Armageddon 02 is above average, RR 04 is decent and their multi-men matches involving Benoit and Cena have been great.
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Taboo Tuesday probably would've been great had HBK's knee not legitimately been blown out the Raw prior.





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