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post #5231 of 20560 (permalink) Old 08-22-2012, 08:08 PM
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Its even better with Bryan being heel, I mean I do love babyface Bryan but I really think he's more suited to working against people like Henry as a babyface, since he's excelled at the David vs Goliath match formula. The only other match style I think he can really work expertly in WWE as a babyface would be some World of Sport/mat based match against a fellow babyface where they treat it like Benoit/Finlay, i.e put over the stiff and brutal nature of the match and make both guys look tough as well as skilled. As good as he is, Bryan as a babyface against the likes of Sin Cara and co just wasn't given the chance to really stand out as a performer, but the minute he worked Henry he looked legit and it was due to the size difference and Bryan's style being a perfect contrast to Henry's.

Mysterio is arguably the best babyface performer in the company, and Bryan can certainly work wonders with the best in WWE especially as guys like Mysterio will have no trouble playing more to Danielson's natural game instead of him having to stick mainly to a pure WWE style.
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Top 5 Favourite John Cena Matches

1. John Cena vs CM Punk Summerslam 2011
2. John Cena vs CM Punk Money in the Bank 2011
3. John Cena vs Brock Lesnar Extreme Rules 2012
4. John Cena vs Triple H Wrestlemania 22
5. (TIE) John Cena vs Edge vs Triple H Backlash 2006
John Cena vs Shawn Michaels vs Triple H Survivor Series 2009

Top 5 BEST John Cena Matches

1. John Cena vs CM Punk Money in the Bank 2011 : *****
2. John Cena vs Brock Lesnar Extreme Rules 2012 : **** 1/2
3. John Cena vs CM Punk Summerslam 2011 : **** 1/2
4. John Cena vs Umaga Royal Rumble 2007 : **** 1/2
5. John Cena/Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker/Batista No Way Out 2007 : **** 1/2

Punk Cena I & II are probably both in my top 10 favourites of all time.

Speaking of single branded PPV's , Vengeance 2005 is the top of the line with nothing else really touching it whatsoever. It has one of the greatest blowoff matches EVER for a main event, a fantastic triple threat match, ANGLE-HBK II (not a popular match by any means but a personal fav of mine ) , a Kane-Edge match that is WAAAYY better than it should be, and a great opener. The closest event to it in my mind (and I'm probably gonna get some heat for saying this) would be Armageddon 2006. It had a FANTASTIC ladder match, and two fucking downright GREAT blowoff matches in Taker-Kennedy and MVP-Kane. Anytime you get 3 gimmick matches on one PPV and all of them actually make sense and DELIVER, it's a great show. You always have Helms taking on Wang Yang in a good bout, and Benoit-Chavo in one of Chavo's best matches ever. Haven't seen the main event in a REAL long time, but even if it's bad, it doesn't drag down an otherwise AMAZING show.

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Don't remember much of Chavo/Benoit but Chavo's greatest match and performance will always be vs Mysterio at the Great American Bash 2004 for me. Probably the best Juniors style WWE match they've done, though Noble/Mysterio Velocity 2004 is really fucking close. Eddie/Mysterio wouldn't count as a juniors/cruiserweight match for me especially in WWE & Tajiri/Mysterio whilst great in its own right is below Chavo/Rey GAB 2004 and Noble/Mysterio Velocity 2004.

That Multi-man Ladder match might be favourite Ladder match that isn't between two guys, that or TLC III from Smackdown 2001 just for the sheer insanity and them working the Benoit injury and potential McMahon screwjob story into the match. MITB I from Wrestlemania 21 might also round out my top 3 multi-man ladder matches, again thanks almost entirely to Benoit incorporating selling into a ladder match rather than just making it a collection of impressive/dangerous spots.

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Bored as hell so watching Best of Raw and Smackdown 2011. Might watch Stone Cold or the Rocks recent DVDs. Been on Netflix for a while and never bothered to watch any of them.

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Agree with you 100 percent SC , I fucking LOVE Rey-Chavo from GAB 04, and I feel that along with Eddie-JBL, it salvages what's supposed to be one of the worst PPVs of all time. Don't get me wrong, the show is still terrible, just not AS terrible.

Money in the Bank 2012

Smackdown Money in the Bank Ladder Match

This is a great crash and burn type ladder match to open the show, just what the crowd needed to get them going for sure. I already knew going into this that the match was going to be more SPOTZ based than the Raw match , especially looking at some of the guys in this one (looking at you Mr. Ziggler) , and they didn't disappoint at all. Every man in the match is given their time to shine in this one, from Tyson Kidd's (PUSH THE MAN) innovative rope-ladder-powerbomb type move, to Tensai destroying everything in sight. Speaking of Tensai, he has 2 really good moments during this match. The first one comes when he powerbombs Sin Cara on a ladder reminiscent of last years match, and the second is a throw across the announce table to Ziggler, who sells it PERFECTLY.

Surprisingly, Cody Rhodes was pretty quiet in this one (the only thing I can think of that was really noteworthy from him would be those disaster kicks all over the place) , while Sandow was kept pretty much in check as well. The MVP of this match was the man that everybody thought would be the best in this one, DOLPH ZIGGLER. He was selling for everybody, showing off his ability to make just about anybody look good, bumping all over the place. In the end, this was a smartly designed spotfest with some great aerial moments, and some great power moments as well to add to the diversity of the match. The drama of not knowing who was going to win definitely helped, but all in all this was a picture perfect opener.

*** 1/2

Sheamus vs Alberto Del Rio

"Who the HELL would want to watch Alberto Del Rio and Sheamus on PPV for the World Heavyweight Championship?" ... That's what I said a few days before this match occured. I just didn;t think these two had styles that would contrast to each other very well, coupled with the fact that these two generally bore me, but what we got in this one was a pleasant surprise compared to what I was originally expecting. Alberto wisely goes after the left arm in this one, sticking to it for almost the entire match, and Sheamus sells accordingly making for some good psychology in this one. Every move Sheamus made he seemed to be clutching his left arm and I thought that was a really nice touch to get across the arm work that Del Rio had been doing to him.

Say what you want about Del Rio, but his enzuguri's are the absolute best in the world. I mean, MY GOD.. The velocity and fierceness of the move is probably what makes it the best move in his arsenal, but I'm a fan of it regardless. Anyways, they get some really good counters in here, as Sheamus allows ADR to do most of the work in this one (probably a smart choice). The battering ram into a double knee armbreaker was SICK and it actually made me somewhat interested in Del Rio for once. Anti-climatic finish with Sheamus winning and all, but after it.... SADLY I wanted to see more. Just a great match from these two, and definitely PPV worthy.


Primo/Epico vs The Primetime Playas : ** 1/4

CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan W/Special Referee AJ

These two put on my MOTY so far at Over The Limit, so I was very curious to see what they would do here out of the element of just a PURE wrestling match. This was a whole different set-up than their previous encounters , in the sense that these weren't two people just fighting over who was the best in the world anymore ; it became more about the whole AJ love triangle. I felt that the dynamic of THAT added into the match did some things right, but I felt it also took away some of the one on one magic that these two have had in the past. We still get all of the ferocious kicks and strikes with tons of substance that we were getting in the OTL matchup, but we weren't getting the tons of HOLDS that we got in the OTL matchup.

The fact that this was No-DQ was kind of ambivalent to me. For instance, I LOVE how they made the Kendo stick seem much more valuable by holding off on using it and fighting to see who would get the first strike. That exchange was VERY realistic to what would actually happen in that scenario, which differs from say an ECW style match where you get the weapon and just beat a figurative dead horse with it until it's rendered useless. However, I felt that the OTL match had more intensity involved because of PRIDE between the two men. Here, it was more of a case of AJ AJ AJ and how much she could be shoved down our throats. Don't get me wrong, this match is fucking FANTASTIC, and I love the bit where AJ introduces a chair into the match and lets the two men just go at it, but besides that sequence, her appearance is totally fucking POINTLESS.

Loved the nearfalls in this one, plus the LEBELL/YES/NO/MAYBE/PROBABLY LOCK with the Kendo stick was good (NOT great) and innovative for what it was. The ending bit with the table getting the pinfall wasn't as anticlimatic as some people said, as I thought it was a great way to finish a great match. This match is FANTASTIC and the obvious pick for MOTY. It's a completely different match than the OTL one, and although it doesn't touch DAT GREATNESS, it's still a fantastic contest between the two best wrestlers in the world.


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Divas 6 Wo-MAN tag : *

Raw MITB Ladder Match

Just looking at the five men participating in this one , I knew it wasn't going to be a SPOTZ type of match , and I also knew that it wouldn't match the fast pace of the previous ladder match. However, this match is pretty great in it's own right due to clever booking, and allowing the right men to control the match and direct it at the right times. I might as well just run down the individual performances of all 5 men starting with The Miz... He doesn't really do much in this one besides get bitched around every now and then, I would say he bumps around for everybody else but he's just THERE so I don't really know what to say. The Kane-FU-Ladder spot to his credit was very impressive for Miz. Big Show dominates early but then gets buried under a pile of ladders until the end of the match in some smart booking, and proceeds to play his part as the dominant force in the matchup who is going to destroy everyone else. Kane plays the replacement monster while Show is buried under some ladders, throwing everybody around for portions of the match.

Jericho is the FUCKING MAN and the bonafide MVP of the matchup. Most of the match he's on the offensive, and he manages to take workers like Show and MIZ and make their interactions worth seeing. Every pander to the crowd, every move, ever sell, I don't think I've been more impressed with a Jericho performance than in this match (somewhat serious). Cena is pretty good with his mixture of power moves making him able to be involved in some good spots, and his selling is pretty good in this one as well. At the end of the day, this match was more great in the BOOKING department than in actual workrate. A very SMART kind of match that told a pretty good story (well, the best you can tell in a fucking MITB match ) and although there was NO drama, this somewhat impressed me. Great stuff.

*** 1/4


This show is 2012 summed up in a nutshell ; every match that was ADVERTISED for this PPV (only 4 out of 7) delivered what it needed to. The opener was full of SPOTZ and set a fast pace for the rest of the show, Sheamus-ADR had some good action and some great psychology, Punk-Bryan was fucking AWESOME and the MOTN , while the Raw MITB was a smartly booked, great match. Where this show falters is in the 3 unadvertised matches ; One which was actually a decent match (although nobody cared), a BAD squash, and a BAD Divas match. However, I understand that those 3 matches take up very little time on the PPV while the real meat and potatoes comes from the advertised matches.

When this show delivers, you feel as if it's a GREAT show, but when the filler is on, you're kind of like WTF ? For me, it's the HARDEST kind of show to grade, but I came away from this one pumped and wanting more Sheamus-Del Rio , Punk-Bryan, Jericho, and definitely Ziggler.. So I guess the show did it's job. It's in the MIDDLE of shows this year (above RR, EC, and NWO, but below ER, WM, and OTL) , and since this has been a pretty great year thus far, I can't really complain whatsoever. It's Money in the Bank, these shows ALWAYS find a way to deliver one way or another. PS : Definitely check out Punk-Bryan if you haven't seen it.

7 / 10

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Mysterio vs. Bryan would be incredible. I'm hoping that WWE isn't so stupid as to not give them a 15+ minute match on PPV.

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I'm still waiting for Henry v Christian.

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Going with top 20 Cena matches as I really enjoy his work.

1. Cena/Umaga - RR '07 - *****
2. Cena/Punk - MITB '11 - *****
3. Cena/Edge/Orton/HBK - Backlash '07 - ****1/2
4. Cena/HBK - WM 23 - ****1/2
5. Cena/Edge/Trips - Backlash '06 - ****1/2
6. Cena/Edge - Backlash '06 - ****1/2
7. Cena/Orton - NWO '08 - ****1/4
8. Cena/Edge - Unforgiven '06 - ****1/4
9. Cena/Lesnar - Extreme Rules '12 - ****1/4
10. Cena/Triple H - Raw '09 - ****1/4
11. Cena/HBK - Raw '07 - ****1/4
12. Cena/Taker - Vengeance '03 - ****
13. Cena/JBL - JD '05 - ****
14. Cena/Triple H - NOC '08 - ****
15. Cena/RVD - ONS '06 - ****
16. Cena/Punk - SS '11 - ****
17. Cena/HBK - Raw '09 - ***3/4
18. Cena/Del Rio - Vengeance '11 - ***3/4
19. Cena/Mysterio - Raw '11 - ***3/4
20. Cena/Batista - SS '08 - ***3/4


- Don't remember any of the Angle/Cena matches other than a couple '05 ones that I didn't really care for.

- Would have killed to see Cena/Finlay in '06 and Cena/Benjamin in '05.

- Cena/Umaga from NYR '07 missed the cut but I think it's a really good match that gets overlooked.

- Can't stand most of the Cena/Orton series, especially everything from '09. Really poorly booked stuff.

- Cena/Big Show may have 10 PPV matches together and I really can't find an enjoyable thing about any of them. :/

- A bunch of really solid TV main events from '06 to '08 against people like RVD, Hardy, Umaga, Edge, etc.

- Rough 2012 for Cena so far. I'd blame booking for it though.

Might go through Umaga's career and make a big post rating the PPV matches and any significant TV matches.

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Totally forgot about Cena/Batista from SS 08. I think that'd crack my top 5 favorites, but not top 5 best.


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I'm still waiting for Henry v Christian.
On PPV? They've had a few TV matches. Here are just a couple:

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