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Gonna need to check out some of these TV matches. I sense a trend in them (Mysterio).





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I honestly couldn't see you disliking them, though I suppose Masters/Mcintyre might just depend on how far limb selling and a consistent and creative workover impresses you. Like I know a lot of people like them and would call the match 'good', but for some there's just not enough entertaining moments in the match for it to be a TV MOTY. I love how they make Masters' comeback feel desperate and the difference between him winning and losing, and the way he adapts his signature offence to reflect his injury (hitting a one legged samoan drop for example) is just the sort of smart and savvy wrestling I've come to love, especially when the likes of Christian, Mysterio, Masters and Mcintyre were wrestling such simple and basic matches structure and offence wise, but managing to make them so engaging and without any fault that they easily surpass some of the more glamorous and quicker paced matches in my opinion.
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I am a fan of selling/limbwork (someone recommended Regal/Ambrose from FCW a little while ago and I loved it) so I'm sure I'll enjoy these. The one-legged Samoan Drop is definitely something I'd pick up on and appreciate. I remember marking when Batista's arm had been worked over all match long and when he went to do his Ultimate Warrior-esque shaking of the ropes to signal for the Batista Bomb he did it with his good arm only.





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Good stuff, like I said I doubt anyone would watch Masters/Mcintyre, Christian/Swagger and Christian/Mcintyre and come out thinking any match was below 'good', but Masters/Mcintyre especially for me would be the least likely to depend on just how much the selling and workover mattered. Mcintyre is really awesome as well at selling frustration, cockyness and fear throughout the match to reflect him being outclassed and then controlling the match, he also does this beautiful nip up after a drop kick and has THE PERFECT cocky smirk to taunt the audience.

BTW in amongst the Punk/Mysterio feud from 2010, there's an excellent Mysterio/Gallows match from Superstars in March before Wrestlemania 26. Gallows was formerly Festus in case you're unaware, and he's a really terrific big man worker who's got some brilliant punches and offence but is also incredibly agile in bumping and working a more frantic pace with someone like Mysterio. And when you take into account how good Mysterio is at working with lethargic big men you can imagine what he'll do with a more athetically capable big man like Gallows. Pretty sure Andy watched it last year after having it recommended to him by sterling for ages and came out very impressed, I'd go through his blog to try and find if he talked about it there but that would take a while and I'm meant to be watching a few matches tonight before bed for a Best Matches Of The Decade poll I'm doing.
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Buying the Superstars 2010 set for like $20 off ioffer was a great purchase, imo. A bunch of fun hidden matches that you generally don't see.

I remember really liking Gallows/Mysterio.



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Agreed, Superstars from 09 to mid 2011 was really the new ECW in terms of weekly consistent good wrestling which barely anyone saw. There's an awesome 13 minute Goldust/Regal match from August as well, takes place on the same night as Masters/Mcintyre from 2010 (which is very good but below their May 2011 match) and they just beat the shit out of each other and really work an awesome veteran matchup with both men relying on their experience and knowledge of the other in order to gain the advantage. Goldust also takes a bonkers bump off a missed crossbody through the ropes to the floor and generally puts in another excellent babyface performance (he was so underrated in that time, worked very well with Dibiase and Sheamus) and well, Regal is Regal.
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Ah Christian/Swagger, what a wonderful match you are . 2nd best MOTY for 09 imo. Gets better on every watch too.

There is at least on McIntyre/Hardy match from... 2010(?) worth watching while we're dropping some TV MOTYC picks. Last Matt Hardy matches worth watching (which is a shame because he's a fucking great worker). Some other great 2010 matches:

Christian & Kane Vs William Regal & Ezekiel Jackson - ECW 26/01/2010 - ****1/4
The Undertaker Vs CM Punk - WWE Smackdown 10/09/2010 - ****
Christian Vs William Regal - ECW 19/01/2010 - ***1/2
Drew McIntyre & Chris Jericho Vs John Morrison & R-Truth - WWE Smackdown 22/01/2010 - ***1/2
Christian Vs William Regal - WWE Superstars 14/01/2010 - ***1/2
Christian Vs Drew McIntyre - WWE Smackdown 20/08/2010 - ***1/2

Got a text document with quite a few 2010 match ratings. In fact, might as well just post all the ***+ ones lol:

Spoiler for stars:
The Undertaker Vs Shawn Michaels - WrestleMania XVI 28/03/2010 - *****
Christian & Kane Vs William Regal & Ezekiel Jackson - ECW 26/01/2010 - ****1/4
The Undertaker Vs CM Punk - WWE Smackdown 10/09/2010 - ****
The Miz Vs Randy Orton Vs Edge Vs Mark Henry Vs Chris Jericho Vs John Morrison Vs Ted DiBiase Vs Evan Bourne - Money in the Bank 18/07/2010 - ****
Kane Vs The Big Show Vs Matt Hardy Vs Christian Vs Kofi Kingston Vs Cody Rhodes Vs Drew McIntyre Vs Dolph Ziggler - Money in the Bank 18/07/2010 - ****
Tyler Black Vs Davey Richards - ROH Death Before Dishonor VIII 19/06/2010 - ****
Christian Vs William Regal - ECW 19/01/2010 - ***1/2
Drew McIntyre & Chris Jericho Vs John Morrison & R-Truth - WWE Smackdown 22/01/2010 - ***1/2
Christian Vs William Regal - WWE Superstars 14/01/2010 - ***1/2
Christian Vs Drew McIntyre - WWE Smackdown 20/08/2010 - ***1/2
Batista Vs John Cena - WrestleMania XVI 28/03/2010 - ***1/2
Christian Vs Drew McIntyre - WWE Smackdown 30/07/2010 - ***1/2
Chris Jericho Vs Edge - WrestleMania XVI 28/03/2010 - ***1/2
Kofi Kingston Vs MVP Vs Evan Bourne Vs Shelton Benjamin Vs Christian Vs Jack Swagger Vs Kane Vs Drew McIntyre Vs Dolph Ziggler Vs Matt Hardy - WrestleMania XVI 28/03/2010 - ***1/2
Christian Vs Ezekiel Jackson - Royal Rumble 31/01/2010 - ***1/4
Rey Mysterio Vs CM Punk - WWE Smackdown 12/02/2010 - ***1/4
Goldust Vs Ted DiBiase - WWE Superstars 02/09/2010 - ***1/4
Kane Vs Dolph Ziggler - WWE Smackdown 15/01/2010 - ***1/4
Dolph Ziggler Vs Chris Masters - WWE Superstars 13/05/2010 - ***1/4
Kurt Angle Vs Mr Anderson - Lockdown 18/04/2010 - ***1/4
Christian Vs Drew McIntyre - WWE Smackdown 16/07/2010 - ***
The Undertaker Vs Rey Mysterio - Royal Rumble 31/01/2010 - ***
Triple H Vs Sheamus - WrestleMania XVI 28/03/2010 - ***
Royal Rumble Match 31/01/2010 - ***
Rey Mysterio Vs Shawn Michaels - WWE Smackdown 29/01/2010 - ***
Chavo Guerrero Vs Primo Vs Chris Masters - WWE Superstars 28/01/2010 - ***
Drew McIntyre Vs Chris Masters - WWE Superstars 26/08/2010 - ***
Triple H Vs CM Punk - WWE Smackdown 29/01/2010 - ***
Drew McIntyre Vs John Morrison - WWE Smackdown 29/01/2010 - ***
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That Hardy/Mcintyre match is from 26th June I'm sure, pretty much the match that made me sit up and think, holy hell Mcintyre is awesome. He doesn't work as methodically here, its more of a brawl but given this is the feud ender I had no problem with that. Hardy throws some awesome punches and Mcintyre has a couple of really neat 'violent' spots, he also takes the bump of the year when Hardy kicks his leg from under him and he lands spine first on the edge of the steel steps with no way to protect his fall. The fact it plays off of a past spot in their feud where Mcintyre stomped on Hardy's head whilst he was resting on the steps only added to the brilliance behind it.
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WWE Championship PPV Matches : 1992-1994

1992 Royal Rumble Match : **** 3/4
Ric Flair vs Randy Savage WM VIII : **** 1/4
Randy Savage vs The Ultimate Warrior SS 92 : **** 1/4
Bret Hart vs Shawn Michaels SS 92 : *** 3/4
Bret Hart vs Razor Ramon RR 93 : *** 1/2
Bret Hart vs Yokozuna WM IX : ** 1/2
Yokozuna vs Hulk Hogan WM IX : N/A
Hulk Hogan vs Yokozuna KOTR 93 : * 1/2
Yokozuna vs Lex Luger SS 93 : ** 3/4

The 92 Rumble is the GOAT, hands down. Features the most talent ever assembled in one ring, a mixture of consistent storytelling and compelling drama, and let's not forget what IMO makes this match so amazing ; The GOAT commentary performance by Bobby Heenan. This commentary performance was so amazing that this match was actually included on Heenan's DVD, that in itself is fantastic. The delivery of all of his pro-Flair lines and how he switches allegiances so many times only to have him EXPLODE at the end when Flair finally wins it. Flair stays consistent as a character throughout, and with Heenan he makes this match a VERY, VERY close to ***** match.

Flair-Savage is storytelling in the ring personified. Here we have two formula workers in Ric and Randy, and you let them go at it on a stage such as Wrestlemania ? This REALLY should have been the main event (again, I love you Hogan, but fuck you ) but instead it takes a backseat to Hogan and SID (We'll get into how awesome SID became later)? Anyways, I love the whole "Randy's going to kill Flair" dynamic, but he can't or Flair will keep the title, kind of like Punk-Jericho from this years Mania, except Punk was champion so it was a little more effective there. The fact that Macho cheats against the dirtiest player in the game to win, and the leg work/subsequent psychology makes this in all time classic in my book.

Macho-Warrior II might be the least talked about classic championship match in WWE history. IMO Warrior's best title match, him and Savage just go back and forth exchanging big move after big move for nearly 30 minutes (by the way, this might be the most colorful match of all time if you look at what these two wear to the ring) , with Flair and Perfect coming to ringside and trying to start shit, only to become torn to bits by the end of the night. The near falls and counters were there, and I thought the ending was necessary given that neither man really deserved to lose here. Another 1992 classic WWF championship match.

Bret-Shawn from SS 92 for me, embodies everything good about their matches together, with a few smidges of the bad. For instance, I thought the latter half of this match was amazingly well paced wrestling with great holds and moves with substance. However, the first half of this match features badly paced action with too many raw holds that don't amount to anything. Seriously, the first half of this match means NOTHING, as we get Bret working the right arm of Shawn for a while, and it just goes NOWHERE. That really pisses me off with these two, as they just love to abandon psychology. Much better than the Ironman simply because the shit doesn't last as long, but when it's good, it's REALLY good. Their second best match together (behind SS 97 ) .

Bret-Razor was a very great but very formulaic match, in which Bret plugs Razor into his big man formula ; work on the legs with various holds, sell accordingly, and we'll have a great match. Bret makes Razor look pretty great here, and goes out of the ordinary in this one (complete with a beautiful suicide dive by Bret to the outside where he almost jumps straight into the railing at ringside) to get the fans off their feet. Bret wastes NO time trying to keep the big man down, a staple in his later matches against the likes of Diesel and Sid. Razor sells very well to his credit as well, and it's just another reason why Bret's matches were so awesome in this timeframe.

Now we have to get into the Yoko matches... WM IX actually was pretty decent, as Bret once again plugged Yoko into his big man formula. Obviously Yoko can't do what the likes of a Scott Hall or Kevin Nash could do, but he did his job in the sense of letting Bret do all the work and carry him to a decent Wrestlemania main event (albeit very short). The Hogan matches : The Wrestlemania match was fucking bullshit, and one of the WORST booking decisions that I have ever seen, while the KOTR match was every bit as terrible booking wise, but it sucked in the ring as well. It was a basic 80s Hogan vs monster match... in 1993. Summerslam 1993 vs Luger is probably Yoko's best singles match IMO, as Luger seems to drag the best out of monsters during this time frame. Luger kept it at his pace and Yoko actually hangs pretty good for.. You know... The fat motherfucker that he was. The ending makes NO SENSE whatsoever and is one of the biggest headscratchers ever, but hey, atleast it had ATMOSPHERE, and we got DAT CONFETTI!





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When i will get Rock vs Cena DVD on internet lol
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