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post #5071 of 20566 (permalink) Old 08-20-2012, 07:49 PM
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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

SC, I think we understand what you are saying (well, at least I do) and Lesnar looked like a beast but losing his first match back after the two moves is just something that does not and may never sit well with a lot of people. I think it's the losing in his first match back that really irritates people like it was mentioned earlier.


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I appreciate that Clique, I understood where Starbuck in particular was coming from.

Its this guy calling the finish the worst of all time, saying that alone deserved a * rating instead of potentially the full five, calling it the worst example of a 'super cena' finish in history and arguing it to be worse than anything Hornswoggle affiliated that has really astounded me.

Hence the above wall of text outlining why Cena's comeback like Rock's at Backlash 2000 & Eddie's at Judgement Day 2004 (in case people can't be arsed reading my wall of text, which is understandable) was a comeback built on emotion, build, pacing and selling. Which goes against a typical 'Super Cena' comeback which often involves none of those aspects.
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I'm on Team Caida. Lesnar looked 1000% more vicious at ER, wins and losses be damned.



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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

SC, I enjoy your write-ups so no problem with walls of text. You are one of my favorite posters and I admire your passion.

Rewatched Lesnar/HHH, and I've come down a bit on it even though I still think it is a great main event. I think the atmosphere could have been more immersive. Still, Lesnar's aura and his offense on Triple H is entertaining to watch and I thought Lesnar and Hunter's strikes built up some good intensity in the fight. As mentioned already in this thread, the psychology and selling from both men was stellar. **** and a Top 10 WWE match for 2012.


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Okay, maybe I was exaggerating a little but that finish was just awful. You gotta admit, it was terrible booking all around to build Lesnar as this untouchable monster that comes from a legitimate background (UFC) and then have Cena beat him with two moves after being able to take 20 minutes of punishment from Lesnar without any signs of being put down completely. That makes Cena stronger than Lesnar because he can still come back from 20 minutes of being destroyed whereas Lesnar was pinned after two fucking moves.

The Rock at least had assistance from Austin, who whipped everyone's ass by giving them a bunch of chair shots to their skulls. And Eddie, like said, just did a bad blade-job making his comeback look that much more heroic.
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I understand it wasn't a popular finish, but to me the desperation, selling and build to Cena's comeback was on par with any comeback I've seen for years in the company. If Cena is going to win that match it has to be a quick comeback, because there was no way he could believably have kicked Brock's ass for 2-3 minutes with Lesnar bumping for everything. I took it as Cena heroically fighting through the pain, suckering Brock and hoping he could catch him off guard and pin him before Lesnar could regroup and resume the dominance. Cena's beating didn't make his victory embarassing, but as heroic as Eddie's and Rock's because his selling and pacing of the comeback was entirely on point.

WWE in their infinite wisdom botched the followup and any potential they could have mustered from the feud though, that much we can finally agree on.
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I think it's more smart to have Cena win with only a couple strong moves, rather than a barrage of them, if you're booking Cena to win that match.



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I don't think Cena beating Lesnar is the problem. It's Cena beating Lesnar in the first match. Lesnar fucks Cena up for 15 minutes, Cena comes back and wins; that'd make a great final match, but Christ the booking decision to have Lesnar lose was dumb as ass. They ended a potentially amazing feud in one goddamn match. The only sensible reason I can think they would make him fall like that is because he could flake out on the company again and they don't trust him or something. I don't know.

they had this set up PERFECTLY. Cena loses to a returning Rock, Cena is in for the "fight of his life" with the returning Lesnar, Cena (should have) takes the loss to Lesnar, and shit, Cena lost to fucking Johnny Ace at the PPV after that. I think the angle possibilities would have been tremendous. "John Cena can no longer win? Has he lost it!?" I think that could go on until he beats the man he first lost to in the Rock whenever (if?) they have their re-match. I'm sure they'd want to run Cena v Rock and Lesnar again, and Cena could each second round match.

The Lesnar possibilities are also amazing. Who in the blue fuck has beaten Cena and HHH clean in one year, let ALONE being the only two matches that guy had the entire 12 months (so far). If they want to run Lesnar v Taker then that'd be perect set-up......hell, that was perfect set-up for Lesnar v _Anyone_ in 2002/03/04. "I've beaten Hogan, I've beaten Angle, I've beaten Rock, I've beaten Taker - you will lose."

So yeah, I'm the camp of "They Fucked This Up." Just like they did with CM Punk last year, so I won't be surprised anymore.

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Lesnar just might be the most physically intimidating person ever lol. He just looks fucking scary, like he could kill you at any second. I don't know if this is appropriate or not but I'm kind of in love with his aura. Did I just type that? Lol.
Yeah, same. Intensity is second to none on that guy. Made me a bigtime mark of his, not gonna lie.

Oh and also, I had no problem with the Cena/Lesnar ending. It's in my top 5 for 2012 along with End of an Era, Sheamus/Bryan, HHH/Lesnar and an unnamed fifth which I haven't decided on yet.


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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

The only problem I have with the finish (got over Cena winning ) is that Brock got pinned on the steps lol.

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