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Old 08-20-2012, 04:35 PM   #5031 (permalink)
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I couldn't get into the Lesnar/Triple H match as much as I hoped I would. Lesnar/Cena felt like it was on a whole other level compared to it. It was still a decent match but really, to me, it was nothing more than decent.
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Old 08-20-2012, 04:47 PM   #5032 (permalink)
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If Lesnar had beat Cena I would have doled out 6* lol. That match is something that will never be replicated imo. It was just surreal.
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Just finished watching Lesnar/HHH. Personally I loved it. Thought it was great and just had that huge match feel. **** for me.
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Old 08-20-2012, 04:53 PM   #5034 (permalink)
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If Lesnar had beat Cena I would have doled out 6* lol. That match is something that will never be replicated imo. It was just surreal.
It was amazing being there live and because Lesnar's beastly heel performance and Cena's courageous babyface performance were so great most of us in the audience rooted for the good guy to come out on top. In the moment I couldn't even think about how wrong of a decision it was to have Lesnar lose because the match was so incredible. I still haven't seen it on TV yet.
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Old 08-20-2012, 04:55 PM   #5035 (permalink)
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Imagine they actually followed through with Cena supposedly losing everything he held dear after his loss to Rock at Mania. Then he lost to Lesnar. Then he was a broken man and the next time he won the title was a year later after having to build himself up again. That would have owned. Cena's babyface performances in matches, well, I'd put them way up there as some of the best tbh. With the right opponent he plays the vulnerable babyface to perfection. It's what happens before and after the matches that are my issues with him these days. He has no fucking personality. Apply him to any situation and he will react the same. On the same token as Cena/Lesnar gaining had Lesnar won, I think HHH/Lesnar would have taken a hit had HHH won. Lesnar winning was absolutely the right call and the story to come from it is bootiful.

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1) Taker/HHH, Mania 28 *****
2) Cena/Lesnar, ER ****3/4
3) Punk/Bryan, OTL ****1/2
4) HHH/Lesnar, SS ****1/4
5) Punk/Jericho, ER ****1/4
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Old 08-20-2012, 04:56 PM   #5036 (permalink)
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Meh the more I watch it the more I love the finish. Cena gets the shit beat out of him the entire match, slowly but surely the crowd turns in his favour and with what is seemingly his last hope he catches the cocky and unsuspecting monster with one shot, then summons every last ounch of energy in his body and pins him before the monster can regain his composure. Made Lesnar look like the biggest badass on the planet, who left a beating that hadn't been seen before or after and made Cena look like the ace by managing to find a way against all the odds to put the monster down. I get Cena losing and then returning down the line could have made for a great angle, but Lesnar would have eaten a loss at some point to Cena. Might as well have him lose early when you can still play it as his arrogance costing him victory in a split second and then make the story all about how he comes back bigger and badder than before and finds another level with his attitude firmly improved.

I seriously don't get why some people at the time suddenly called the match shit because of the finish. A bad finish can limit a match from progressing past a certain point, but it doesn't negate the great work that went on before. Cena bled, bumped huge and timed his offence wonderfully and Lesnar looked amazing as this vicious animal injuring Cena at every turn. Part of what made it so awesome was he didn't get bogged down in limbwork, he just grabbed Cena's arm and locked in the Kimura and fucked his arm up instantly. Everything he did looked disgustingly stiff (knee shots to the ribs especially) and the match had some amazing visuals, from Cena staggering back onto the apron after eating the inital beating, to Lesnar's shocked face after the Backlund powerslam spot out of the Kimura, to Cena's comeback and begging Lesnar to turn around and unleashing his last burst of energy. It was an incredible underdog vs monster battle, which allowed Lesnar to look as unstoppable as he could and to work a match totally unique and violent compared to a standard WWE hardcore match, and placed Cena in his best match formula against arguably the best monster opponent he could be given in 2012 WWE.


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1. Cena vs Lesnar ER
2. Bryan vs Punk OTL
3. Bryan vs Sheamus ER
4. William Regal vs Dean Ambrose FCW
5. Punk vs Henry 04/02 RAW

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Old 08-20-2012, 05:03 PM   #5037 (permalink)
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That horrible finish ruined everything because Cena was back to being the same shitty smiling superman. Never has the finish of a wrestling match pissed me off so much. Ruined the entire enjoyment of the PPV for me. But now when I look at it from a non-biased standpoint, it was an amazing match with a unique feel. The blood and the heavy beating. Don't know why everyone was like "I'm now rooting for Cena". I wanted Lesnar to beat his ass so fucking bad that he would send Cena's ass home for a whole year or something. I was excited about the match just to see Cena DESTROYED, I got it but in the end, that smiling cunt fucked it up.
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The finish takes away from the match for me a little bit in terms of the rating. I think it was the wrong decision, a stupid decision and was one of the worst examples of Cena's, at times, ridiculous babyface booking ever. I'm looking at you Miz/Cena I Quit. The vast amount of possibilities that could have emerged had Cena lost were completely wasted too which fucks me off. Despite all that though, I still love the match and think it quite possibly could be one of my favorite matches ever.
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The booking the night after did kill the match, Cena winning but getting so badly hurt in the process he had to take time off would have worked brilliantly, and in the meantime if Lesnar had somehow won the title you could have built to Cena returning and then have Lesnar get his win back.

That being said, if Lesnar beats Cena he has to face Punk since bar HHH he had no-one else to face. At least in defeat Lesnar had an excuse to stay away and pick his time before having another match, as much as Lesnar killing everyone before having a big money showdown vs Cena/Rock/Taker would own WWE just doesn't have the depth in their roster to put Lesnar against credible guys. Sure the likes of Bryan, Sheamus and Punk would work well with Lesnar, but each would have to lose to Lesnar and none of them could really envoke that big match atmosphere that Cena, HHH, Rock and Taker could.

All I took away from ER was that Lesnar could have won at any point, but his arrogance and desire to hurt Cena cost him and despite beating the piss out of Cena, Cena had that split second to sneak out the unlikeliest of wins. Lesnar having to return with a newfound determined attitude rather than taking his opponents lightly in of itself could have been a wonderful storyline, the problem is that keeping him as a semi-occurring attraction limits what you can do with him when he's not facing a big name in the company, and means its hard to keep his momentum running in between programs when he doesn't wrestle for months in between.
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Old 08-20-2012, 05:09 PM   #5040 (permalink)
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So glad I ordered ER and watched it live this year. Literally on the edge of my seat (and occasionally jumping ) during the Cena/Lesnar match. Anywho, I'll join in on this:

Top 5 2012 so far
1. Undertaker Vs Triple H - WrestleMania 28 - ****3/4
2. CM Punk Vs Daniel Bryan - Over the Limit - ****3/4 (I need to watch this and my #1 back to back because every time I re-watch this match, I love it more and more lol)
3. CM Punk Vs Chris Jericho - WrestleMania 28 - ****1/2
4. Austin Aries Vs Bobby Roode - HardCORE Justice - ****1/2
5. Daniel Bryan Vs Sheamus - Extreme Rules - ****1/2

And to keep it just WWE, #6 overall aka #5 for just WWE: John Cena Vs Brock Lesnar - Extreme Rules - ****1/4
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