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Punk, Morrison, Mysterio, Jericho and Hardy had some ridiculously awesome TV matches in '09 on Smackdown. I actually stopped watching wrestling in '09 but I went back and watched that stuff.



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Totally just realised that I've talked about the top 100 WCW poll some of us just completed, but never posted the actual list . I'm sure some people might be interested in seeing it. Plus I'm turning it into a DVD Comp soon enough.

Spoiler for WE's Top 100 WCW Matches Ever:

#100 Dustin Rhodes Vs Bunkhouse Buck - Slamboree 22/05/1994 (144 points)

#99 Ric Flair Vs Eddie Guerrero - Nitro 20/05/1996 (146 points)

#98 Kidman Vs Rey Mysterio Vs Juventud Guerrera - Starrcade 27/12/1998 (148 points)

=#97 Sting Vs Rick Rude - Clash Of The Champions XVII 19/11/1991 (154 points)

=#97 Arn Anderson Vs Shane Douglas - World Championship Wrestling 17/02/1990 (154 points)

=#97 Arn Anderson Vs Ricky Steamboat - Pro 21/03/1992 (154 points)

#94 Steve Williams & Terry Gordy Vs Dustin Rhodes & Barry Windham - Saturday Night 03/10/1992 (155 points)

#93 Arn Anderson Vs Great Muta - Power Hour 12/01/1990 (157 points)

#92 Chris Jeircho Vs Ultimo Dragon - Bash At The Beach 13/07/1997 (158 points, One top 20 vote)

=#91 Nasty Boys Vs Cactus Jack & Maxx Payne - SuperBrawl 20/02/1994 (161 points)

=#91 Midnight Express Vs Original Midnight Express - Starrcade 26/12/1988 (161 points)

#89 Rey Mysterio Vs Super Calo - Fall Brawl 16/06/1996 (169 points, One top 20 vote)

#88 Chris Benoit Vs 2 Cold Scorpio - Superbrawl III 21/02/1993 (173 points)

#87 Bam Bam Bigelow Vs Hak - Spring Stampede 11/04/1999 (186 points, One top 15 vote)

#86 Chris Benoit Vs Chris Jericho - Fall Brawl 15/09/1996 (192 points)

#85 Brian Pillman Vs Scotty Flamingo - Beach Blast 20/06/1992 (195 points)

#84 Lord Steven Regal Vs Fit Finlay - Nitro 29/04/1996 (197 points)

#83 Steve Austin Vs Ricky Steamboat - Bash at the Beach 17/07/1994 (200 points)

#82 Ric Flair Vs Brian Pillman - 17/02/1990 (203 points)

=#81 Wrath & Mortis v Glacier & Ernest Miller - Bash at the Beach 13/07/1997 (206 points)

=#81 Vader Vs Ricky Steamboat - Worldwide 29/05/1993 (206 points)

#79 Rey Mysterio Vs Jushin Thunder Liger - Starrcade 29/12/1996 (210 points)

=#78 Big Van Vader & Steve Austin Vs Ric Flair & Arn Anderson - Saturday Night 13/11/1993 (214, One top 15 vote)

=#78 Chris Benoit Vs Bret Hart - Nitro 04/10/1999 (214 points, One top 15 vote)

#76 Arn Anderson/Ric Flair/Lex Luger/Sting Vs Hulk Hogan/Kevin Nash/Scott Hall/Sting - Fall Brawl 15/09/1996 (216 points)

#75 Brian Pillman Vs Jushin Liger - SuperBrawl 29/02/1992 (220 points)

#74 Ric Flair & Barry Windham Vs The Midnight Express - Clash of the Champions 07/12/1988 (222 points)

#73 Lex Luger Vs Ricky Steamboat - Great American Bash 23/07/1989 (228 points)

#72 Cactus Jack Vs Paul Orndorff - Superbrawl III 12/02/1993 (232 points)

#71 Ricky Steamboat Vs Steve Austin - Clash of Champions XXVIII 28/08/1994 (236 points, One top 20 vote)

#70 Ricky Steamboat Vs Steve Austin - Clash Of The Champions XX 02/09/1992 (246 points)

#69 Ric Flair Vs Arn Anderson - Fall Brawl 17/09/1995 (247 points, One top 15 vote)

#68 Chris Benoit Vs Diamond Dallas Page - SuperBrawl 22/02/1998 (250 points)

#67 Scott Hall & Kevin Nash Vs Randy Savage/Lex Luger/Sting - Bash At The Beach 07/07/1996 (253 points)

#66 Rick Rude Vs Dustin Rhodes - Worldwide 30/05/1992 (254 points)

#65 Rick Rude Vs Ricky Steamboat - SuperBrawl 29/02/1992 (258 points)

#64 Vader Vs Davey Boy Smith - Slamboree 23/05/1993 (272 points)

#63 Sting Vs Cactus Jack - Power Hour 16/11/1991 (273 points)

#62 Vader Vs The Boss - Spring Stampede 17/04/1994 (274 points, One top 20 vote)

#61 Cactus Jack & Kevin Sullivan Vs The Nasty Boys - Slamboree 22/05/1994 (281 points, One top 10 vote)

#60 Ric Flair Vs Sting - Great American Bash 07/07/1990 (283 points, One top 20 vote)

#59 Dustin Rhodes Vs Vader - Saturday Night 21/11/1992 (284 points)

#58 Ron Simmons Vs Vader - Main Event 02/08/1992 (286 points)

#57 Arn Anderson & Barry Windham Vs Doom - Starrcade 16/12/1990 (288 points)

#56 Vader Vs Sting - Fall Brawl 18/09/1994 (292 points)

#55 Ric Flair Vs Ricky Steamboat - Philadelphia House Show 18/03/1989 (309 points, One top 10 vote)

#54 Lord Steven Regal Vs Sting - Great American Bash 16/06/1996 (318 points, One top 20 vote)

#53 Lord Steven Regal Vs Larry Zbyszko - Saturday Night 28/05/1994 (319 points)

#52 Ric Flair Vs Hulk Hogan - Bash At The Beach 17/07/1994 (324 points, One top 20 vote)

#51 Ric Flair Vs Ricky Steamboat - Spring Stampede 17/04/1994 (337 points, One top 5 vote)

#50 The Steiner Brothers Vs The Nasty Boys - Halloween Havoc 27/10/1990 (354 points, Two top 15 votes)

#49 Arn Anderson Vs Big Josh - 02/05/1992 (365 points, One top 10 vote)

#48 Ric Flair Vs Lex Luger - WrestleWar 25/02/1990 (378 points)

#47 Dustin Rhodes/Dusty Rhodes/Nasty Boys Vs Bunkhouse Buck/Arn Anderson/Terry Funk/Colonel Parker - Fall Brawl 18/09/1994 (383 votes, One top 15 vote)

#46 Arn Anderson Vs Barry Windham - 06/06/1992 (387 points, One top 10 vote)

#45 Ricky Steamboat Vs Vader - Saturday Night 16/10/1993 (390 points, One top 5 vote)

#44 Chris Benoit Vs Eddie Guerrero - Nitro 16/10/1995 (409 points)

#43 Chris Benoit Vs Fit Finlay - Slamboree 17/05/1998 (427 points)

#42 Ric Flair Vs Ricky Steamboat - Saturday Night 14/05/1994 (429 points, One top 5 vote)

#41 Rey Mysterio Vs Psicosis - Bash At The Beach 07/07/1996 (430 points, One top 15 vote, Two top 20 votes)

#40 Ric Flair & Sting Vs Great Muta & Dick Slater - Clash Of The Champions VIII 12/09/1989 (437 points)

#39 Chris Benoit Vs Kevin Sullivan - Great American Bash 16/06/1996 (443 points, Two top 20 votes)

#38 Jake Roberts Vs Dustin Rhodes - 26/09/1992 (445 points, Two top 15 votes, One top 20 vote)

#37 Ric Flair Vs Ricky Steamboat - Landover House Show - 18/03/1989 (446 points, Two top 5 votes, Two top 15 votes)

#36 Dustin Rhodes & Barry Windham Vs Steve Austin & Larry Zbyszko - Superbrawl 29/02/1992 (449 points, One top 20 vote)

#35 Diamond Dallas Page Vs Sting - Nitro 26/04/1999 (450 points, One top 10 vote)

#34 Steve Williams & Terry Gordy Vs The Steiners - Clash Of The Champions XIX 16/06/1992 (466 points, Two top 15 votes, One top 20 vote)

#33 Sting Vs Vader - Slamboree 22/05/1994 (467 points, One top 15 vote)

#32 Cactus Jack & Maxx Payne Vs The Nasty Boys - Spring Stampede 17/04/1994 (475 points, One top 15 vote)

#31 Arn Anderson Vs Dustin Rhodes - Satuday Night 04/01/1992 (487 points, One top 20 vote)

#30 Dustin Rhodes Vs Bunkhouse Buck - Spring Stampede 17/04/1994 (501 points, One top 10 vote)

#29 Diamond Dallas Page Vs Randy Savage - Great American Bash 15/06/1997 (546 points, One top 15 vote)

#28 Steamboat/Rhodes/Koloff Vs Anderson/Zbyszko/Eaton - Saturday Night 23/05/1992 (551 points, One top 5 vote, One top 10 vote, Two top 20 votes)

#27 Ricky Steamboat Vs Lord Steven Regal - Fall Brawl 19/09/1993 (569 points, One top 5 vote)

#26 Hollywood Blondes Vs Marcus Bagwell & 2 Cold Scorpio - Worldwide 08/05/1993 (571 points, One top 15 vote)

#25 Lord Steven Regal Vs Fit Finlay - Uncensored 24/03/1996 (588 points, One top 5 vote, Two top 10 votes, One top 20 vote)

#24 Ric Flair Vs Hulk Hogan - Halloween Havoc 24/10/1994 (592 points, One top 5 vote, One top 10 vote, Two top 15 votes, One top 20 vote)

#23 Sting Vs Vader - Great American Bash 12/07/1992 (602 points, Three top 15 votes, One top 20 vote)

#22 Rock n Roll Express Vs Midnight Express - Wrestlewar 25/02/1990 (634 points, Two top 10 votes, One top 15 vote, Two top 20 votes)

#21 Eddie Guerrero Vs Chris Jericho - Fall Brawl 14/09/1997 (648 votes, One top 15 vote, Two top 20 votes)

#20 Arn Anderson/Rick Rude/Larry Zbyszko/Bobby Eaton Vs Sting/Ricky Steamboat/Dustin Rhodes/Barry Windham - Saturday Night 22/02/1992 (655 points, One top 10 vote, Two top 15 votes)

#19 Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas Vs Brian Pillman & Steve Austin - Starrcade 28/12/1992 (664 points, Four top 20 votes)

=#18 Sting Vs Vader - Starrcade 28/12/1992 (671 points, One top 10 vote)

=#18 Vader Vs Dustin Rhodes - Clash Of The Champions XXIX 16/11/1994 (671 points, One top 5 vote, Two top 15 votes, One top 20 vote)

#16 Ric Flair Vs Lex Luger - Starrcade 26/12/1988 (677 points, One top 10 vote, One top 15 vote, Two top 20 votes)

#15 Flair/Windham/Sid Vicious/Zbyszko Vs Sting/Pillman/The Steiners - Wrestlewar 24/02/1991 (691 points, Three top 10 votes, One top 15 vote, Two top 20 votes)

#14 Goldberg Vs Diamond Dallas Page - Halloween Havoc 24/10/1998 (725 points, Two top 10 votes, One top 20 vote)

#13 Ricky Steamboat & Dustin Rhodes Vs Arn Anderson & Larry Zbyszko - Clash Of The Champions XVII 19/11/1991 (761 points, Two top 5 votes, One top 15 vote, Two top 20 votes)

#12 Sting Vs Vader - Superbrawl III 21/02/1993 (781 points, One top 5 vote, Three top 10 votes, Two top 15 votes, One top 20 vote)

#11 Sting Vs Cactus Jack - Beach Blast 20/06/1992 (782 points, Two top 10 votes, One top 15 vote)

#10 Southern Boys Vs Midnight Express - Great American Bash 07/07/1990 (793 points, Three top 10 votes, One top 20 vote)

#9 Ric Flair Vs Terry Funk - Clash Of The Champions IX 15/11/1989 (801 points, One #1 vote, Two top 5 votes, One top 10 vote, Two top 15 votes, One top 20 vote)

#8 Ric Flair Vs Vader - Starrcade 27/12/1993 (817 points, One top 5 vote, Three top 10 votes, One top 15 votes, Three top 20 votes)

#7 Ric Flair Vs Terry Funk - Great American Bash 23/07/1989 (869 votes, Two top 5 votes, Two top 10 votes, Two top 15 votes, Two top 20 votes)

#6 Ric Flair Vs Ricky Steamboat - Wrestlewar 07/05/1989 (889 votes, One #1 vote, Three top 5 votes, One top 10 vote, One top 15 vote, One top 10 vote)

#5 Ric Flair Vs Ricky Steamboat - Chi Town Rumble 20/02/1989 (940 points, One #1 vote, Four top 5 votes, Two top 10 vote, Two top 15 vote, One top 20 vote)

#4 Sting/Koloff/Rhodes/Steamboat/Windham Vs Anderson/Eaton/Zbyszko/Austin/Rude - Wrestlewar 17/05/1992 (946 points, Four top 5 votes, Six top 10 votes)

#3 Ricky Steamboat Vs Rick Rude - Beach Blast 20/06/1992 (949 points, Two #1 votes, Four top 5 votes, One top 10 vote, Three top 15 votes)

#2 Ric Flair Vs Ricky Steamboat - Clash Of The Champions VI 02/04/1989 (951 points, Four #1 votes, Two top 5 votes, Three top 15 votes, One top 20 vote)

#1 Eddie Guerrero Vs Rey Mysterio - Halloween Havoc 26/10/1997 (965 points, One #1 vote, Five top 5 votes, Four top 10 votes)
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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

So I just started to watch the top 100 matches in WWE (as decided by kingCal and whoever the rest of his voting buddies are) and just thought I'd give my thoughts on what I saw thus far. I'm just gonna put star ratings, not going to write a long ass review.

Finlay v Chris Benoit - Smackdown!, 5/5/06


***3/4

Shawn Michaels v Chris Benoit - RAW, 5/3/04

***3/4

Eddie Guerrero v Rey Mysterio - Judgment Day, 5/22/05

***3/4

Edge v Matt Hardy (Cage Match) - Unforgiven, 9/18/05

****1/4

Rockers v Orient Express - Royal Rumble, 1/19/91

****

Royal Rumble Match - Royal Rumble, 1/19/92

****

Just a little personal thoughts though. To me, Guerrero vs Mysterio doesn't strike me as one of the best matches in the WWE. It's just one of their better matches. I believe Benoit vs Jericho Summerslam 2000 is a very underrated (at least I've never heard anyone really talk about it) and should have been on the list. Nonetheless, it's not my list and if I think it's that deserving of being on a top 100 list I should go ahead and make my own damn list. But I'm too lazy. Still, KingCal I hope you got my rep that list is gonna keep me occupied for some time.

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The lists we made weren't all about sheer match quality, but how much we loved certain matches and whatnot too. Still think based on match quality that Eddie/Rey deserves to be there though.

Benoit/Jericho from SS was good, but didn't get a single vote from anyone . Personally I think their Backlash 00, JD 00 and RR 01 matches are a lot better.
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The lists we made weren't all about sheer match quality, but how much we loved certain matches and whatnot too. Still think based on match quality that Eddie/Rey deserves to be there though.

Benoit/Jericho from SS was good, but didn't get a single vote from anyone . Personally I think their Backlash 00, JD 00 and RR 01 matches are a lot better.
Whichever one was their submission match from 2000 was really good but I know there's one match the two of them had that I really didn't get into. It's the one where it ended with Benoit hitting Jericho with the IC title as he went for the Lionsault. Still a good match just wasn't into it as much as the other. Oh and their match at RR 01 is my personal favourite them.

But their SS match was so damn beastly. They were able to go into beat mode but were still able to know when to slow the pace down and tell a great story with Benoit working the shoulder of Jericho. I don't even think the match went more than 15 minutes but the same story other guys would have needed 30 minutes to tell these guys told it in half the time.

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Imported 3 different Tagged Classics from the U.K. as soon as I heard that Region 2 DVDs work using VLC Player.



Cannot wait to see these classics, unedited. Always wanted them.
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what are some epic documentaries on wwe wrestlers that have unseen footage of promos etc

I've seen Stone colds latest and I have the rocks latest one on my comp somewhere but i've seen their stories countless times and pretty much already know most of their lives from the documentaries put out before, seen almost all their promos on youtube including the ones off air. so kinda bored with them


I seen randy ortons the other day, wasnt really interesting to me. they tried to keep someparts kayfabe like when he lost to cm punk and being "pissed off" telling the camera to go away..that was stupid..

Seen brock lasnaaars, his was ok.




Any other good ones??

i see a randy savage, shawn michaels, and kane one online, dunno what will be worth watching.


Is the shawn michaels dvd biased? I dont wanna hear shit about how good he is, i wanna hear truth about him and the kliq being dicks and legitimate stuff, like him being an asshole. is there stuff like that in his dvd?
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If you want good WWE-ECW, get anything with Punk or Morrison on it. I'm still sad to see John go after he was one of the FEW reasons to watch that crap show, & who knows what he could've done in the future?
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Been on a total WWE 2004 fix over the past few days. And of course the first thing I'll gravitate towards is how incredible the Eddie/JBL program was, imo. Bradshaw became an instant credible heel thanks to working with Guerrero. Just like that. Overnight. He made fans care about a guy recieving a random push after years of being a midcard worker. Not to discredit JBL at all, he did his job at getting over himself. Quality promos just about each week. Now who doesn't love underdog Latino champion with an abundance of talent & respect vs a rich white Texan/New Yorker who represents all the Republican/Capitalist fatcats in the USA? I know I do. Their chemistry worked surprisingly well too. Eddie got Bradshaw to some of his strongest matches in the span of only a few months. Judgment Day was intense(even before the ABSURD chair shot & blood loss), GAB was a darn good follow up, and the cage was superb. Even with all 3 matches not having "clean" finishes, the program was so good that it worked it's way around them. I love that. So, there is some gush & love from me.

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Eddie vs JBL I ~ ****1/2
Eddie vs JBL II/Texas Bullrope ~ ***3/4
Eddie vs JBL III/Steel Cage ~ ****

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I loved the JBL/Eddie Guerrero feud. I stopped watching WWE by that time but last year I watched every single RAW and SD from 2004 and although SD was complete crap in 2004 IMO the one feud that made it stood out was JBL/Guerreo. What I liked bout it was that it's a storyline as old as it gets. The upper class, limousine driving, snobby rich SOB vs the everyday working class (latino) citizen. A very simple and dated storyline yet through amazing promos (I will never forget hot damn funny it was seeing JBL kicking the Mexicans back into the border) and matches they made it work. They took ordinary and made it extrodinary. When you can make the smart fans (who are heel lovers) hate the heel then you're doing it right. I rememner how pissed I was when JBL won the title from Guerrero. I'm watching feud and a match on a 7 year delay yet for some strange reason I'm thinking this is happening in the present.

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