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Old 08-19-2012, 11:01 PM   #4971 (permalink)
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crowd makes all the difference in the world though

a livlier crowd would have definitely helped the match
The crowd didn't help matters, but honestly, I don't know how they could've gotten into the match. It just felt like it was going on forever and that they were rewinding the same spots over and over again. The table spots were cool, but it was a difficult match to get into.

Taker/HHH WM27 was different for one reason. The streak. There was an investment in attention toward seeing how the match turns out. Every chairshot to Taker, every pedigree, the tombstone, and then HHH pulling out the sledgehammer. The crowd kept getting louder and louder as it seemed like HHH was going to end the streak. Whether people wanted to see it or not, it would've been an epic moment to be there when the streak ends, and the investment in the match is what caused the thunderous pop when Taker kicked out of the tombstone. For all the criticism I give the match and that I think it's overrated like Lesnar/HHH by some (though it's still the better match), it had the natural tools to keep the crowd invested no matter how bad the pace got. And tbh the match started out well in the action department before it moved to a storytelling/selling focus as the match progressed.

Taker/HHH in the HIAC took what was great about the WM27 match, spread the action and pace out a lot more, and picked up the storytelling ten-fold.

Lesnar/HHH didn't have a "streak" (which could be job, title, etc.) on the line to fall back on to reel the fans in if the brawling/action was disappointing/slow/boring. That's why they were dead imo.

Although we could just pull the card that the crowd sucked, but for a match the level of Lesnar/HHH, if the crowd sucked there has to be a good reason.
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Old 08-19-2012, 11:04 PM   #4972 (permalink)
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Was anyone else pissed at the style that Punk/Show/Cena went? And the whole double submission thing was fucking lame.

Glad Punk won though.
any triple threat that doesnt have benoit or triple h or shawn is gonna be gimmicky, spotty and kinda suck

honestly, they should just give up on triple threats unless it makes perfect storytelling sense to go in that direction
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any triple threat that doesnt have benoit or triple h or shawn is gonna be gimmicky, spotty and kinda suck

honestly, they should just give up on triple threats unless it makes perfect storytelling sense to go in that direction
True. I absolutely cringed at that submission spot though. Cena with DAT STF? I liked the comeback part before it when Punk and Cena started fighting back, but that match told the complete wrong story and it made no sense. Big Show 'dominates' the match and then taps...and then gets pinned. What in the fuck?

Agreed on your point though. Every triple threat I thought of that I enjoyed involved HBK, Benoit or HHH besides Angle/Rock/Taker.
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My ratings:

Dolph Ziggler vs Chris Jericho ***3/4

Daniel Bryan vs Kane **

The Miz vs Rey Mysterio ***

The Prime Time Players vs Kofi Kingston and R-Truth **

Sheamus vs Alberto Del Rio **1/2

CM Punk vs John Cena vs The Big Show ***

Brock Lesnar vs Triple H ****1/4
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Thats interesting why didn't you expected anything from the match? They are both good workers, they should have put on a better match.
Well Bryan is BITW and a dynamo etc etc he can usually pull things out of his ass like that so not surprising at his end, but Kane is VERY touch and go when it comes to matches. He can be pretty good when he has the right guy with him, but with the wrong guy with him (eg another big man) the results are often disastrous. So I figured it's better to have no expectations and be pleasantly surprised, than have expectations and be disappointed. Which happened to two matches on the card for me, sadly.
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Was anyone else pissed at the style that Punk/Show/Cena went? And the whole double submission thing was fucking lame.

Glad Punk won though.
I was pissed off at it being so retarded. Oh god, everything.. who let Big Show control the match, first of all? There was just a whole bunch of bumrushed spots before people randomly started going into finishing sequences, and then more fuckery, and then a double fall... oh, it was awful
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Let me just say one other thing, after watching this match, part of me hopes that Taker/Lesnar at Mania doesn't happen and instead we get Taker/Cena and Lesnar/Rock. Why? Because Lesnar's pacing of his control segment and repeated offense is what brought the match down for me a whole lot, and if that's what we're in for come Wrestlemania, I'd rather Lesnar not ruin Taker's streak of great matches by doing the same shit he did in this match.
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I was pissed off at it being so retarded. Oh god, everything.. who let Big Show control the match, first of all? There was just a whole bunch of bumrushed spots before people randomly started going into finishing sequences, and then more fuckery, and then a double fall... oh, it was awful
I don't know who's idea it was to tell Show to go out there and dominate a match...especially in 2012...and expect good to come out of it. It was ridiculously short for a WWE title match too. Or at least compared to the two Punk/Bryan and Punk/Jericho epics we got. But I'm glad it didn't go longer. Nothing good was going to come out of it.
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Summerslam 2012
First Take

Jericho/Ziggler *** 1/2
Bryan/Kane ** 3/4
Miz/Mysterio *** 1/4
Sheamus/Del rio ** 3/4
PTP/Kofi&Truth * 3/4
Cena/Punk/Show ***
Lesnar/HHH *** 1/2

A solid and fun PPV, nothing really stood out particularly. No real MOTYC that I assumed we would see, but everything was really solid and fun to sit through. I can already seeing everyone debating about the Lesnar/HHH match and I see both sides of the argument, Im gonna be lame and sit on the fence. I made a case that Mysterio and Miz were my dark horse for MOTN and in my estimations they almost took it, another 5 minutes and this was my MOTN. They really do have great chemistry together, however Rey can go with anyone. The triple threat was good in my estimations but really could of been done better, the double tap out finish was ridiculous but Cena always have to have a way out. Thank god Show is out of it now, bring on Cena/Punk.
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Top 5 Matches of 2012

Undertaker vs HHH Hiac WM28 **** 3/4
Punk/Bryan OTL **** 1/2
Cena/Lesnar ER **** 1/2
Sheamus/Bryan ER **** 1/2
Punk/Jericho WM28 **** 1/4
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Top 5 so far of the year:

1) Punk/Bryan OTL- *****
2) Punk/Jericho WM- ****1/2
3) Sheamus/Bryan ER- ****
4) Taker/HHH WM28- ****
5) Punk/Henry Raw after WM28- ****
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