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Love that match, had it as my #20 when I did my top 100 WCW matches ever list.
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Agreed that's an outstanding match, although its a total Eddie show for the most part due to his outstanding performance. This isn't to say Jericho does nothing, but Eddie's so incredible with his heel schtick and offence that you think he could have had this sort of a match with a number of WCW wrestlers at the time, even more evidence that Eddie might have been the best in the world for 1997.

EDIT: it was #34 on my WCW ballot.

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Good one.

I saw some similar moves in here that was in Jericho/Eddie match too. Like the shoulder lock. Really cool to see it back to back in matches that took place years apart.
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I rated that Orton/HBK match after watching Unforgiven yesterday a couple of pages back. Excellent match and Orton's wrestling is getting better throughout the year. On most of his TV matches before it, he seems to randomly bust out moves without any build-up which made him look 'green' as they like to say. Here, with HBK, he manages to put on a much better match with a great heel victory.

Also I can't wait until I get to the December part of Smackdown in 2003. There's that Mysterio/Brock match which KingCal put over one page back, there's the Brock/Benoit match which I have never seen in it's entirety before and Benoit's push on a whole before his move to Raw.
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I rated that Orton/HBK match after watching Unforgiven yesterday a couple of pages back. Excellent match and Orton's wrestling is getting better throughout the year. On most of his TV matches before it, he seems to randomly bust out moves without any build-up which made him look 'green' as they like to say. Here, with HBK, he manages to put on a much better match with a great heel victory.

Also I can't wait until I get to the December part of Smackdown in 2003. There's that Mysterio/Brock match which KingCal put over one page back, there's the Brock/Benoit match which I have never seen in it's entirety before and Benoit's push on a whole before his move to Raw.
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Taking part in a Top 100 matches of the decade (2000-2009) poll for another forum, watched a bunch of Tajiri, Corino and Mysterio for it from ECW and WWE, here's some matches which are provisionally on my ballot:


Tajiri v Rey Mysterio (c), Cruiserweight Championship, Smackdown 09/25/03

Fully agreed with sterling here, excellent match building off of the first match 3 weeks prior with Tajiri now a full fledged heel. Excellent workover of the ribs by Tajiri with some sickening kicks and submissions, and Mysterio sells and builds his comeback like only he can. Once he manages to find a foothold in the match, he wastes no time in trying to unleash everything in his arsenal to put down Tajiri, who in turn manages to hang right with Mysterio with his trademark kicks as well as a Michinoku Driver. The teased mist early in the match and Tajiri's subsequent reaction to Mysterio blocking it was golden, seriously Tajiri is up there amongst the greats when it comes to facial expressions. Whole finish was superb with Mysterio near enough replicating the finish from their first match, but being caught with red mist due to the 2nd referee checking on the first and losing the title. It will do well overall to stay on the list, but its provisionally on the ballot.


Rey Mysterio v Tajiri (c), Cruiserweight Championship, Smackdown 01/04/2004

Going to be tough to decide whether this or the 9/25 match will make my final list (most likely won't vote for both by the end), but for now I'll say I just ever so slightly preferred this. Crowd are super hyped and Tajiri has henchmen which immediately gives us a Rey vs The World formula match, a match which usually delivers. Tajiri's workover of Rey's leg is superb, just continuous strikes and submissions including an awesome boston crab counter off of a Rey springboard. Finishing run is incredible with Mysterio pulling out everything he can but still selling the leg, loved him audibly having to change the setup to some of his signature offence to reflect the injury, the favourite of which was probably the wheelbarrow-bulldog spot. Actual finish with Tajiri taking out one of his henchmen and Mysterio taking care of the other before catching Tajiri with another similar finish dating back to their first match back in September 03 was also really satisfying and well worked. Also loved the spot where one of Tajiri's henchmen caught Mysterio mid 619 and interrupted the spot. Excellent match.


Super Crazy v Tajiri, Mexican Death Match ECW 01/15/2000

As pointed out by others, Crazy's initial comeback is the weak point of the match with him looking far too smooth and rapid for someone who's just eaten the beating he has, though I did like his momentary 'catching his breath' sell after the moonsault. Still Tajiri is amazing here, his tremendous facial expressions have been well documented in the past and they're on full show here to really compliment his already sadistic character. He just looks like a deranged psychopath and consequently him biting and spitting Crazy's blood from his mouth as well as other sick moments such as him driving a wedge into Crazy's mouth don't look gimmicky or tacky, but cruciially add to the hatred in the match. Tajiri's kicks were also amazing throughout, a couple really did look disgustingly stiff and I ADORED him kicking Crazy in the bollocks as the set up to a German. The sliding the chairs across the tables spot was incredibly unique and his taunting of the fans afterwards and in the opening really managed to shift their support fully onto Crazy which only made for a more enjoyable finish run. Tajiri mocking Crazy was also amazingly funny. Actual finish worked stupendously as well, Tajiri countering the inital powerbomb into the mist on the table was a great false finish, and that momentary pause to gloat ultimately costs him as Crazy catches him with a rapid desperation powerbomb through another table. Total Tajiri performance here, and an awesome one at that, but Crazy brought a couple of nice dives and had some much needed intensity when he had the chance to brawl with Tajiri. If it does stay on I imagine it will be almost entirely down to Tajiri's performance, but for now its a lock for my ballot.


Steve Corino v Tajiri, ECW Hardcore Heaven 05/14/2000

Oh man this was insane, Corino sets the tempo right from his pre match promo calling Tajiri a 'slant eyed bastard' and Tajiri just has this evil little grin and then hits a snap kick to Corino and immediately sets about punishing him. Tajiri's strikes always look terrific and that's exactly the same in this match, Corino to his credit sells each kick like death and looks terrific bumping around and on offence. Tajiri hits an absolutely disgusting brainbuster on the stage which opens up a monumental cut on Corino's forehead, and a few seconds later Tajiri has him in the tree of woe and Corino's hair turns completely red, amazing and disgusting visual. Tajiri has some really unique and terrific sadistic spots in this, the highlight probably being dropkicking the table into Corino's already split open forehead. Transition spot as sterling said looked overly telegraphed but that's a minor complaint, Corino really was amazing at eating such a beating but never looking close to being the face. Finish is really awesome with Tajiri misting Jack Victory before he can interfere and then unloading with a barrage of kicks and punches before finishing Corino off with a hellacious double stomp through a table. Corino was an excellent shitbag heel and Tajiri never disappoints as the small but incredibly tough SOB dishing out a psychotic beating, everybody was a winner here. Definitely will be on my ballot unless I come across an infinite amount of holy shit material.


Super Crazy v Little Guido v Tajiri, TV Title, 04/14/2000

Christ almighty, insane sprint heavy triple threat packed with some incredibly violent spots from Tajiri and doing away with the pitfalls of a standard triple threat thanks to Big Saul's constant involvement. Guido and Crazy bump big and play their part in this match, but it is a total Tajiri show. Nearly every burst of offence from him gets a 'holy shit' reaction from the crowd, and some of his kicks were just downright filthy and he's responsible for three of the best spots of the match: first one sees him trap Guido's head in a steel chair and just punt kick him square in the head, second sees him follow that up by dropkicking a table right into Guido's cut forehead and the third spot sees him foil Guido and Sal's master plan by handspringing and kicking a chair into Sal's head who then takes a great fat guy bump through a table. They worked a fantastic pace, had a wonderful performance from the maestro Tajiri, all bled and took some wonderful bumps and crucially did away with the repetitive nature of triple threats where one guy gets repeatedly thrown out of the ring and instead worked Big Saul into the match terrificly to get around that issue.



Psicosis v Tajiri, ECW TV, 08/25/2000

I don't think I enjoyed this quite as much as Andy, Sterling and Seabs, but its still a really good spotfest with some awesome bumps from Psicosis and some incredibly nasty strikes from Tajiri to paper over the your turn/my turn element that dominated the second half of the match. They do a shockingly good job at pacing the cliche stand off spots in the opening of the match, with the matwork being quite snug and looking unco-operative rather than being rolled through to set up the stand off spot. Tajiri's kicks were hellacious throughout and Psicosis did a terrific job at selling each one like death. Tajiri also lowblows Psicosis 3 times in the match, and any match where there's 3 separate instances of someone getting kicked in the balls will always sit well with me. The last lowblow looked particularly painful. Psicosis in typical fashion damn near killed himself on a ridiculous tope, the type that would make Sabu cringe in horror at the spill he takes onto the floor and into the steel chairs. Final barrage of kicks from Tajiri were all immaculate, the spinning back kick looked like it would have separated Psicosis' nose from the rest of his head if he wasn't covering his head from the prior kick. Very good match which as of now I'll vote for, but could easily see slipping off towards the end.


Steve Corino v Shinya Hashimoto, NWA Battle Of The Belts, 10/31/01

This only goes just over 10 minutes, so realistically this will do exceptionally well to stay on my list but I echo sterling's thoughts that this is a tremendously worked match. Its entirely designed to make Hashimoto look like the unstoppable monster he should be in this setting, and Corino does excellent in selling all of Hashimoto's offence like death whilst trying to work him in and out of holds to try and cut off the momentum. All the grappling and feeling out looked gritty and well earned, and Hashimoto constantly proving too much for the plucky Corino at every opportunity was a great running theme. I thought it actually built tremendously well to Corino desperately trying to fight back against Hashimoto in the strike exchange, but once again his valiant effort was no match for the power and execution of Hashimoto's strikes. There were some insanely stiff kicks towards the end of the match, especially when Corino was on his knees. Its a very smart and tremendously done match, but with the stiff competition I'd be very surprised if this match didn't fall off from my eventual top 100, its no dis-service to this match since there's barely anything I can criticise bar the morons in the crowd, its just that with the competition and high standards you associate with this poll trying to find 100 matches over 10 years which may have more to offer than this doesn't strike me as impossible compared to finding 100 matches greater than say Danielson/Strong from Vendetta.


Brock Lesnar v Rey Mysterio, Smackdown 12/11/2003

Excellent match again, these two near enough perfected the david v goliath formula (though Eddie/Show is still likely my favourite) and this match again evidenced that. Really extended opening with Brock taunting Mysterio only to be made a fool shortly after with Mysterio using the pace and speed to keep Brock off his feet, Lesnar to his credit also bumps like a loony to make Mysterio look as good as he can. Everytime Lesnar is on offence he looks capable of breaking Mysterio in half, and Mysterio again bumps insanely for every bit of Lesnar offence. Loved Mysterio's creativity on the outside to momentarily gain a small opening, and the nearfall off of the 619 was superbly done. Brock Lock looked disgusting and was a perfect finish to put Mysterio over in defeat. Great pace, nice character dynamic, great exchanges between both men's styles and a hot crowd, perfect.

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How far are you now? That Benoit/Brock match is one of the best television matches I have ever seen. I remember there was a fantastic segment before the match where wrestlers backstage were betting on who would win that match. They really made the Benoit/Brock match a big deal at the time. A week later, I think the epic HBK/HHH match on RAW occurred as well. What a great time to be a wrestling fan.
Just finished September, so if I watch the remaining stuff at the same rate as I'm doing right now, I should be finished with the whole year in a couple of weeks. Been a fun year to watch and has completely taken my mind off how awful WWE is in the real world (a.k.a. the present). Luckily for me, I have a lot of other stuff that I'm going to watch from the past for my wrestling fix which includes the full years from 1997-2007 or 2008. 2003 was just a year I randomly picked up after seeing all the episodes available on youtube. Have not been disappointed either, specially with Smackdown ever since Kurt Angle returned from his neck injury.

And in relation to the post above mine, I watched that Tajiri/Mysterio match from Smackdown 25/9 earlier today. Another excellent match from two of the best workers throughout 03. The cruiserweights on Smackdown always bring it!
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Smackdown in 2003 produced some incredible TV matches, Eddie & Tajiri vs WGTT (05/22), Angle vs Taker (one of the best TV matches in company history), Angle vs Lesnar Iron-Man, Benoit vs Lesnar, Mysterio vs Lesnar, Mysterio vs Tajiri, Hardy vs Mysterio. That, Raw 2004 and Smackdown 2006 are likely the top 3 years for TV matches this decade, 2006 SD would personally get my nod. Though Evolution vs The World on Raw as well as Benoit/HBK, Benoit/Orton the night after Summerslam and Orton/Edge after Vengeance were all of substantial quality.
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Really is a shame what SmackDown has become today.
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NWA - Battle of the Belts II

Bahamas Heavyweight Championship
Tyree Pride (c) vs. Ron Slinker - 3/4*

Florida Heavyweight Championship
Kendall Windham (c) vs. Prince Iaukea - *1/2

NWA World Junior Heavyweight Championship
Denny Brown (c) vs. The White Ninja - **1/2

Southern Heavyweight Championship
Jesse Barr (c) vs. Lex Lugar - ***1/2

$20,000 Bounty Challenge
Bruiser Brody vs. Wahoo McDaniel - *

The Road Warriors & Blackjack Mulligan vs. Kevin Sullivan, Bob Roop, & Purple Haze - N/R

NWA World Heavyweight Championship
Ric Flair (c) vs. Barry Windham - ****1/2


Overall: 6.5/10


- So we'll start off with the Jr. Heavyweight Title match. The White Ninja is of course a young Keiji Mutoh, which was awesome. Denny Brown I'd never heard of, but the guy impressed me. Seemed to have a lot of british influence in his wrestling, reminded me of Tom Prichard. But anyway, they had one of the few watchable matches of the night. It was filled with a lot of rest holds and the crowd chanted 'booooring' a few times, but I was enjoying what I was watching and you don't fucking boo Muta! But yeah, the match picked up greatly with the signature Muta sequence (handspring elbow, backbreaker, and MOONSAULT) that Denny actually kicked out of. So I was like shit, this is about to get good. And then Denny comes off the ropes with a cross body and gets caught by Muta, and the momentum takes Denny over the ropes, thus making the ref DQ the Ninja. Shitty, shitty ending. No reason why Brown couldn't have won clean against a guy I'm sure the crowd had never heard of.

- To my very bizarre surprise I LOVED Lugar/Barr. Yeah, they spelled it Lugar back then. Jesse Barr reminds me a lot of Terry Gordy and he was super over with the crowd but this was the Lugar show all the way. Awesome displays of power and dominance throughout the match, although Jesse would turn the tables every now and then and show he's got some muscle too. Simple formula with the heel dominating and the face making the late comeback, but what really drove it home for me was how they played out the exact same finish from their previous match where Jesse won the title, except this time in went in Lugar's favor. Plus it set up another rematch for the two and kept the heat on Sexy Lexy. Old school, slower paced formula that may not be for some but damn if I didn't enjoy it.

- So idk what it was about or who put it up but apparently there was a $20,000 bounty out for whoever could put Wahoo out of wrestling. This match was 5 minutes. A bloody 5 minute brawl that looked to be the start of what could've been an awesome spectacle, and then Brody just leaves completely with his manager. I haven't seen a whole lot from Brody but I swear 90% of what I have seen ends in a walkout or a brawl nowhere close to the ring. Another shitty ending.

- The 6 man had a huge backstory and was billed as a really big grudge match, but it wasn't exactly a match. It was just another 5 minute brawl with blood and punching but I never heard any bell and it didn't resolve anything. Hey look, a shitty finish.

- Now let's get back to being positive. Flair vs. Windham, the original. What an awesome, awesome match. Flair's the man obviously and at this point in Barry's career, he's a giant babyface that doesn't quite have all that confidence he'd have a year later in their rematch so I felt like it was a lot easier to get behind him and hope for that huge upset win. His overzealousness and poor ring awareness get the best of him of several occasions as Flair moves out of the way of some sort of flying move many times and he got his foot on the bottom rope on three crucial pins. Just a tremendous back and forths match with (again) a lot of blood and (again) a shitty ending. Windham's body was clearly back in the ring, which should've stopped the count, AND, there was another time earlier in the match where both guys could've easily been counted out and it didn't happen. Plus why end a major show like this with a non-finish and why have them go 40 minutes for it? If you just ignore that stupid booking, there's an incredible match that you should try and get your hands on. I honestly would put this over their Worldwide match.

- Just wanna say this was a blast to watch despite the stupid ass booking on the finishes. Two quality matches you won't find on any WWE dvd.
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