[hanshanshans911]

What do you guys think is the best ppv of 2001? Am going to watch some 01 ppv's. Watched Wrestlemania 17 again this weekend and I still think this show is pretty overrated, it is a fun show but match quality wise not the best Wrestlemania at all. Benoit/Angle was nothing special, did not really like Taker/HHH. Rock/Austin was a good mainevent and I personally liked the ending. The flow and athosphere of this show makes it good but there are defiantly better mania's

[Big Z]

Either RR or Backlash would be the best PPV of 01 for me.

[greendayedgehead]

HHH vs HBK - RAW Dec. 2003
Wow, probably one of my favourite matches. Although, I'm pretty sure you have to be covering your opponent for it to be a pinfall, Eric...

Also this match got me thinking, best friends usually have good chemistry so why wasn't it the same for Cena and Orton? Bit odd.

[hanshanshans911]

Originally Posted by KingCal

Either RR or Backlash would be the best PPV of 01 for me.

Cool, thanks getting Backlash/Judgement Day 01 and KOTR/Invasion 01 tomorrow. Looking forward to watching Backlash 01 because I really don't remember to much from the event except two man powertrip.

[Big Z]

Originally Posted by hanshanshans911

Cool, thanks getting Backlash/Judgement Day 01 and KOTR/Invasion 01 tomorrow. Looking forward to watching Backlash 01 because I really don't remember to much from the event except two man powertrip.

Its just a really fun event all around.

Opening 6 man is pure fun and a good basic tag match.

Rhyno Vs Raven is a crazy fun hardcore match. Spot with the GORE and a Shopping Cart is awesome.

Regal Vs Jericho... is alright. Don't remember it being anything that special unfortunately. Didn't really think Regal hit his stride in WWE until a couple of years later.

Benoit Vs Angle 30 minute ultimate submission match (aka submission iron man match lol) is probably my favourite match between them and up there as their absolute best too (not a big fan of some of their bouts).

Shane Vs Big Show LMS is just a crazy fun "lets kill Shane McMahon" match.

Matt Vs Eddie Vs Christian isn't that good, but its short. If this would have happened in 2005 it probably would have been epic tbh.

Power Trip Vs BOD is one of my all time favourite tag matches. Love how they work over Kane's injured arm and how Undertaker is reluctant to even tag him into the match despite the fact he knows he can't do it alone. Screw the hates of this match (ANDY. MIKE. Everyone else... you know who you are! ).

[hanshanshans911]

Originally Posted by KingCal

Its just a really fun event all around.

Opening 6 man is pure fun and a good basic tag match.

Rhyno Vs Raven is a crazy fun hardcore match. Spot with the GORE and a Shopping Cart is awesome.

Regal Vs Jericho... is alright. Don't remember it being anything that special unfortunately. Didn't really think Regal hit his stride in WWE until a couple of years later.

Benoit Vs Angle 30 minute ultimate submission match (aka submission iron man match lol) is probably my favourite match between them and up there as their absolute best too (not a big fan of some of their bouts).

Shane Vs Big Show LMS is just a crazy fun "lets kill Shane McMahon" match.

Matt Vs Eddie Vs Christian isn't that good, but its short. If this would have happened in 2005 it probably would have been epic tbh.

Power Trip Vs BOD is one of my all time favourite tag matches. Love how they work over Kane's injured arm and how Undertaker is reluctant to even tag him into the match despite the fact he knows he can't do it alone. Screw the hates of this match (ANDY. MIKE. Everyone else... you know who you are! ).

Thanks for your thoughts on the show! Also looking forward to rewatching KOTR 01, Shane/Angle was pretty good and I remember the triple threat main event being pretty good aswell. Invasion 2001 was a pretty bad show iirc?

[Big Z]

Originally Posted by hanshanshans911

Thanks for your thoughts on the show! Also looking forward to rewatching KOTR 01, Shane/Angle was pretty good and I remember the triple threat main event being pretty good aswell. Invasion 2001 was a pretty bad show iirc?

KOTR suffers like most KOTR PPV's with the tournament matches all having to be relatively short so they can get them all on the show AND stop the 2 guys going all the way from knackering themselves out. And with that, the matches for the most part never really get the chance to get going. Street fight with Shane and Angle is great though. Not a fan of the triple threat personally.

InVasion was fun to me:

E&C Vs Awesome & Storm is just a decent opener and not much else. Fun, but nothing special.

Earl Vs Patrick is what it is .

APA Vs Palumbo & O'Haire is pretty good imo. Always enjoyed the APA as a team and I liked O'Haire a lot.

Kidman Vs X-Pac is a decent little CW match.

Raven Vs Regal kinda sucks.

6 man tag is only about 4 minutes long and is a bunch of fun. Love the big power spot with all the WWF guys overhead pressing their opponents at the same time.

Tajiri Vs Tazz kinda sucks. Shame because I just watched a 5 minute TV match between them in ECW and it was super fun.

RVD Vs Jeff is great imo. One of the better hardcore title matches, and so much better than their utter shit train wreck of a ladder match they would go on to have at SummerSlam.

Trish & Lita Vs Stacy & Torrie. 4 super hot women trying to strip each other. Its worth a watch .

Main event tag is great. Plenty of star power, a great crowd, lots of action and shocking finish (took me by complete surprise at the time lol).

Overall the show isn't filled with great matches as such, but its the first WWF Vs WCW/ECW show and was really for the most part all about the main event anyway. Rest of the card suffers a little from time constraints and they put too many matches on the show. Take out Regal Vs Raven, Tazz Vs Tajiri, Earl Vs Patrick and give that time to the two two-on-two tag matches and the show would probably have been a hell of a lot better.

[The Beast Incarnate]

Originally Posted by KingCal

KOTR suffers like most KOTR PPV's with the tournament matches all having to be relatively short so they can get them all on the show AND stop the 2 guys going all the way from knackering themselves out. And with that, the matches for the most part never really get the chance to get going. Street fight with Shane and Angle is great though. Not a fan of the triple threat personally.

InVasion was fun to me:

E&C Vs Awesome & Storm is just a decent opener and not much else. Fun, but nothing special.

Earl Vs Patrick is what it is .

APA Vs Palumbo & O'Haire is pretty good imo. Always enjoyed the APA as a team and I liked O'Haire a lot.

Kidman Vs X-Pac is a decent little CW match.

Raven Vs Regal kinda sucks.

6 man tag is only about 4 minutes long and is a bunch of fun. Love the big power spot with all the WWF guys overhead pressing their opponents at the same time.

Tajiri Vs Tazz kinda sucks. Shame because I just watched a 5 minute TV match between them in ECW and it was super fun.

RVD Vs Jeff is great imo. One of the better hardcore title matches, and so much better than their utter shit train wreck of a ladder match they would go on to have at SummerSlam.

Trish & Lita Vs Stacy & Torrie. 4 super hot women trying to strip each other. Its worth a watch .

Main event tag is great. Plenty of star power, a great crowd, lots of action and shocking finish (took me by complete surprise at the time lol).

Overall the show isn't filled with great matches as such, but its the first WWF Vs WCW/ECW show and was really for the most part all about the main event anyway. Rest of the card suffers a little from time constraints and they put too many matches on the show. Take out Regal Vs Raven, Tazz Vs Tajiri, Earl Vs Patrick and give that time to the two two-on-two tag matches and the show would probably have been a hell of a lot better.

Is that the one from September 3rd, 1999 ? That match was short but sweet. LOVED ECW Tazz with a passion, so much raw intensity brought to his matches.

Speaking of ECW, I'm starting to watch the John Morrison DVD (yeah, I know...) and I absolutely adored his series with Punk. WWEECW was fucking awesome, I remember the first couple of years when we were treated to TV matches such as Show vs Flair, RVD vs Angle, RVD vs Holly (Violent), there was always an extreme rules match to satisfy the audience, and the young guns such as CM Punk got significant air time as well.

That begs the question... Was there ever a time that WWEECW was the best show in the company ? I mean, they used to have some EXTREMELY action packed shows that lasted only an hour, and alot of times left you wanting more and more. I know Smackdown was the undisputed leader in 06, but I'm unsure of the other 3 years. Hmmmm. Thoughts ?

[Saint Dick]

Re-watched HHH/Taker from WM 27 to get pumped for the rematch in a couple weeks. If they can get close to this level at 28 we'll be in for something special because this really was worthy of headlining Mania. Loved the opening stages. Triple H throws some of the best punches of anyone on the roster and that's evident in the early going. Liked how they set the tone for a physical war early with some gnarly bumps (omg @ the back drop Hunter took off the announce table) and big spots (spinebuster through the table was dope). The main criticism I've heard is that the bulk of the match was just finishers and down time but the punishment they dished out early made the slow pace realistic and in turn emphasized the story that this was Taker's toughest test at Mania and the biggest beating he's ever taken. The slow build also did a nice job of setting up HHH's Tombstone which after three viewings I maintain is the best nearfall I've ever seen. The finish is excellent too. At the time I would've preferred if HHH passed out instead of tapped out to go with the I'll end the streak or die trying schtick but what they did makes this year's rematch much more viable. Awesome heavyweight clash on the biggest stage, bring on Hell in a Cell.

****1/2

[Big Z]

Originally Posted by K1ngOfK1ngs

Is that the one from September 3rd, 1999 ? That match was short but sweet. LOVED ECW Tazz with a passion, so much raw intensity brought to his matches.

Speaking of ECW, I'm starting to watch the John Morrison DVD (yeah, I know...) and I absolutely adored his series with Punk. WWEECW was fucking awesome, I remember the first couple of years when we were treated to TV matches such as Show vs Flair, RVD vs Angle, RVD vs Holly (Violent), there was always an extreme rules match to satisfy the audience, and the young guns such as CM Punk got significant air time as well.

That begs the question... Was there ever a time that WWEECW was the best show in the company ? I mean, they used to have some EXTREMELY action packed shows that lasted only an hour, and alot of times left you wanting more and more. I know Smackdown was the undisputed leader in 06, but I'm unsure of the other 3 years. Hmmmm. Thoughts ?

Aye, was the Sep 3rd match I watched.

WWECW was awesome for a period of time. 06 was fun with Big Show as the unbeatable monster champion destroying the likes of RVD, Sabu, Kane, Undertaker and Flair in brutal extreme rules matches. Then he lost the belt to Bathturd Lashley and left the company and ECW went to fucking hell with Lashley as Champ, McMahon as champ, Morrison as champ, Chavo as champ... and for the most part in 07 and 08 I thought it was pretty shitty outside of a couple of guys. Then towards the end of 08 Henry was doing well as champ, Hardy was doing great when he won the belt, Jack Swagger appeared on the scene and quickly became champ going into 09 which brought about the return of Christian who would put on great matches with almost everyone he faced (thought the Ryder matches sucked though). We had Regal and Goldust as two old time veterans putting on great matches with the young talent and helping them improve and get over. Sheamus got his start there in a series with Goldust. Zeke actually looked really good in 2010 with the matches with Christian, just a shame they never really tried to do much else with him (and when they did try it didn't look like they were trying hard lol). But as good as it was in 09, I still think SD had them beat, especially with the Summer period they had (Punk, Jericho, Mysterio, Morrison who was actually doing well, Undertaker etc). Was better than Raw was in 09 though. Fuck was that show horrible.