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post #4851 of 20566 (permalink) Old 08-16-2012, 02:27 AM
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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

That Angle/Hardy NS 2010 match was awesome ****1/2(Meltzer gave it ****1/4 at that time IIRC). They had another great match on Impact the week after that.
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Yes. Yes, they did.

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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

Angle/Hardy from this year's Victory Road is a MOTYC, I'm not afraid to express my opinions, it was an excellent match. ****

But Lockdown was crap.
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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

I actually really liked Angle/Jeff from No Surrender 2010, but I understand why most people here downright hate it. I need to give it another watch though to see if it holds up for me.
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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

I'm willing to go out on a limb and say Jeff Hardy hasn't had one "must see" or "required viewing" match since his return to TNA in 2010. He's been absolute bullshit, IMO. Which is a shame because 2008-2009 in the WWE he put on a fair few damn good matches against the likes of Umaga, Randy, Triple H and CM Punk. Hmm...

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I really enjoyed Hardy's match against Angle this past year at Victory Road as well.
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Yeah, that Raw/SD SurSer tag was really fun, and Orton shitting bricks afterward when Taker returned was hilarious.

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Randomly watched Hardy/Edge from Summerslam 2005 the other day, can't recall seeing it that many times since I watched it live back in 2005 and back then I hated it and thought it was god-awful.

Turns out its actually one of the better sub 10 minute matches in company history, both men throw some excellent punches and really get across the hatred in a chaotic brawl. Hardy's bump off of the spear was brutal as was the drop onto the ring post and subsequent beatdown by Edge. Hardy's selling was flat out astounding and really got the finish over tremendously, Matt's often overlooked in the grandscheme of things but in 05-07 he was a really good worker capable of some great matches when paired with the ideal partner on TV or PPV. He throws some really great punches here (something again he usually doesn't get enough credit for) and bumps big, two key aspects necessary for a hate filled brawl. Edge was also really good with his strikes, including a headbutt which was a totally unexpected move from him, especially with the issues I generally have with his offence.

I understand the dispute over the finish, but to me it was the right call. Firstly the feud was aimed at pushing Edge onto the next level as a heel, and seeing that sort of beatdown not only made him appear more vicious and credible, but also got him more heat given everyone back then wanted Matt to kick his arse. Secondly, the fact it was under 10 minutes meant the pace was far more chaotic and it really added to the feud that the match could end in that fashion, rather than a dragged out 15 minute match which wouldn't have served the same purpose. Thirdly, Matt's subsequent revenge in the Cage Match felt all the more earned on the back of this match, and his booking in the Ladder Match on Raw made him look as good as he could in defeat (what with it being a glorified Handicap match by the end).

I do however appreciate seeing Matt lose in such fashion could be argued as killing some of his momentum, but personally I found it a better finish considering how short and violent the match was, where a flash finish works much better to put over the feud and hatred in the story.
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That Angle/Hardy NS 2010 match was awesome ****1/2(Meltzer gave it ****1/4 at that time IIRC). They had another great match on Impact the week after that.
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Its not the first time I've said this on this forum, but why on earth do people feel the need to cite Meltzer's opinion on a match as proof of its quality? I have no issue if someone just feels the need to point out whether he rates a match highly/negatively, but the people who seem to try to use him liking a match as evidence it is 'good' have always dumbfounded me. His vast wrestling knowledge doesn't give him a more credible viewpoint as to what is good/bad, like any other wrestling fan he rates a match on the basis of whether it appeals to his personal stylistic preference.

Meltzer giving Angle/Hardy ****1/4 is no more evidence of it being good than Cal/Seabs citing it as a DUD (though I'm in full agreement with these two on the match), its all subjective at the end of the day and there isn't anyway around it.

I can see why some people may enjoy Angle/Hardy like I understand why a lot of people like Angle's 'EPIC' matches, though like many others who look for something beyond the moves being done in the ring there was next to nothing to appreciate about that match. And christ the follow up on IMPACT damn nearly topped the No Surrender match for shittyness, if only for Kurt's most famously stupid sequence I can ever recall seeing:

He has Hardy in the ankle lock, but Hardy manages to fight out before any real damage can be done due to it still being relatively early in the match, Kurt then proceeds to counter a Hardy counter and hits not one, but two Angle Slams in a row and Hardy kicks out of both with the collective enthusiasm of himself and the commentators like it was two bodyslams. Kurt, having now weakened Hardy considerably but not having won the match, now circles Hardy for what seems like an eternity and proceeds to lock on a sleeper hold, rather than go for the ankle lock like he attempted 90 seconds or so before.

I honestly nearly just turned the match off right there and then tbh, I was that shocked by just how non-sensical that whole setup and sequence was.
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