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Old 08-11-2012, 08:59 PM   #4701 (permalink)
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^^ Im quite abrasive in my debates hence how my argument starts. Plus, I can't truly fathom some of the things people say considering the fact that I've never heard these opinions until now. And it's like 10 years after these matches took place. Hence my views.

When you say emotion..... I look at emotion like, how the story plays out, the emotion behind everything that was done in the match. I look at HHH vs HBK, and see HBK as a man who was unsure of himself leading up to Summerslam, once he got out there, he began to get his swagger back, and that happens as the match goes along. Once HBK finds that he still "has it", he begins to go into his quest for revenge and busting HHH open to make him pay for what was done to him. Logically, having a match where HHH just squashed HBK the whole time would be the only way to play up the whole "does Shawn still have it?" bit and that would've sucked IMO. I felt like HBK's match with HHH was the progression of him finding his swagger, regaining it, exacting revenge, and after winning, getting taken out, because he got caught up in the moment, thus falling victim to not being mentally sharp to the game, although being physically sharp.

I will agree with Cena losing due to his own "morals" in the Punk match though. It made an interesting story for the ending.
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:04 AM   #4702 (permalink)
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Add me to the list of people that hate the Austin/Hunter match as well. Shawn/Hunter is alright, pretty decent if you're okay with Michaels' (lack of) selling.
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Well, I'm a big Hunter fan so here's my top-20 for the man. My ratings have changed for so many matches, so here's the order:

1. Foley @ Rumble '00
2. Batista @ Vengeance '05
3. Undertaker @ 'Mania XXVI
4. Steve Austin @ No Way Out '01
5. Michaels @ SummerSlam '02
6. vs. Benoit vs. Michaels @ 'Mania XX
7. Rock @ Judgment Day '00
8. Jericho @ Fully Loaded '00
9. Undertaker @ 'Mania XXVIII

10. Flair @ Taboo Tuesday '05
11. Rock @ Backlash '00
12. Jeff @ No Mercy '08
13. Michaels @ Raw (Dec 29, 2003)
14. w/Austin vs. the Chris's @ Raw (May 21, 2001)
15. Orton @ No Mercy '08
16. Cena @ 'Mania 22
17. Foley @ No Way Out '00
18. Flair @ Survivor Series '05
19. vs. Michaels vs. Benoit @ Backlash '04
20. vs. Edge vs. Cena @ Backlash '06
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Initial review of the Top 50 Finishing Moves DVD Set:

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Read the past few pages and the argument and I feel meh arguing about the apparent greatness of a match or it's mediocrity. Somebody likes it; the other dislikes it. That pretty much sums it up.

Like for me, Michaels/Jericho from NM '08 is twice the match 'Mania X between Michaels and Ramon was. For the majority, it's the opposite...
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Finally got around to watching The Best of Clash of the Champions. Flair never gets old, Malenko v Ultimo Dragon is probably my sleeper match of the set!

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Like for me, Michaels/Jericho from NM '08 is twice the match 'Mania X between Michaels and Ramon was. For the majority, it's the opposite...
And IMO, Benoit/Jericho RR01 trumps them both. So it goes. I never really realised how much wrestling tastes differed when I realised Cal hates like 99% of my favourite matches, lol.
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HBK/Razor SS trumps their WM match and all over ladder matches .
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I fucking love HBK/Razor from SS '95.
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Well, I'm a big Hunter fan so here's my top-20 for the man. My ratings have changed for so many matches, so here's the order:

1. Foley @ Rumble '00
2. Batista @ Vengeance '05
3. Undertaker @ 'Mania XXVII
4. Steve Austin @ No Way Out '01
5. Michaels @ SummerSlam '02
6. vs. Benoit vs. Michaels @ 'Mania XX
7. Rock @ Judgment Day '00
8. Jericho @ Fully Loaded '00
9. Undertaker @ 'Mania XXVIII

10. Flair @ Taboo Tuesday '05
11. Rock @ Backlash '00
12. Jeff @ No Mercy '08
13. Michaels @ Raw (Dec 29, 2003)
14. w/Austin vs. the Chris's @ Raw (May 21, 2001)
15. Orton @ No Mercy '07
16. Cena @ 'Mania 22
17. Foley @ No Way Out '00
18. Flair @ Survivor Series '05
19. vs. Michaels vs. Benoit @ Backlash '04
20. vs. Edge vs. Cena @ Backlash '06
In bold are corrections for the couple of errors/typos I saw in the dates.

Overall a very nice list.

I did a top 5, but I'll go top 20:

(*****)
1) vs. Foley RR00 (MOTY 2000)
(****1/2)
2) vs. Rock BL00
3) vs. Batista Vengeance 05
4) vs. Jericho FL00
5) vs. HBK SS02
6) SVS 02 EC
7) vs. Benoit vs. HBK WM20 (MOTY 2004)
8) vs. Austin NWO01
(****1/4)
9) vs. Rock JD00
10) vs. Jeff Hardy NM08
11) NYR 05 EC
12) w/ Austin vs. Benoit/Jericho Raw 5/21/01
13) vs HBK 12/29/03
14) vs. Foley NWO 00
15) vs. Benoit vs. HBK BL04
(****)
16) vs. Flair TT05
17) vs. Cena NOC 08
18) vs. Rock SS98
19) vs. Taker WM28
20) vs. Taker WM17

That was tough. lol.

Got me in the mood for an UNDERTAKER Top 20 though :

(*****)
1) vs. HBK BB97 (3rd greatest Match of All-Time, MOTY 1997)
2) vs. HBK WM25 (MOTY 2009)
3) vs. Angle NWO06 (MOTY 2006)
(****3/4)
4) vs. Lesnar NM02 (MOTY 2003)
5) vs. Angle SD 03
6) vs. Edge SS08 (MOTY 2008)
(****1/2)
7) vs. Rock vs. Angle Vengeance 02
8) vs. Batista WM23 (MOTY 2007)
9) vs. HBK WM26 (MOTY 2010)
10) vs. Bret Hart SS97
(****1/4)
11) vs. Batista CS08
12) vs. Austin JD01
13) vs. Orton WM21
14) vs. Edge WM24
15) vs. Batista SVS07
16) vs. Orton Armageddon 05
17) vs. Austin FL99 (MOTY 1999)
18) vs. Angle SD06
19) vs. Big Show CS08
(****)
20) vs. Orton SS05

Now I kinda wanna do an HBK top 20... meh, maybe later.

Edit: Just for comparison between Taker/HHH/HBK...

Taker MOTY's:
-1997 (vs. HBK BB)
-1999 (vs. Austin FL)
-2002 (vs. Lesnar NM)
-2006 (vs. Angle NWO)
-2007 (vs. Batista WM23)
-2008 (vs. Edge SS)
-2009 (vs. HBK WM25)
-2010 (vs. HBK WM26)

HBK's MOTY's:
-1997 (vs. Taker BB)
-2004 (vs. Benoit vs. HHH WM20)
-2005 (vs. Angle WM21)
-2009 (vs. Taker WM25)
-2010 (vs. Taker WM26)

HHH's MOTY's:
-2000 (vs. Foley BB)
-2004 (vs. HBK vs. Benoit WM20)
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