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Disagree about the Flair/Steamboat matches not holding up over the years. It's been a while since I've seen them but the last time I did they still had the all-time classic feel.
Absolutely agree. Doesn't matter WHEN certain classic matches took place for me, they are still classics. Someone mentioned about Bret/Austin from WM 13 and how it was awesome at the time but we saw matches like that every week on Raw or whatever not too long after. True, we saw plenty more "hardcore" style matches on TV not too long after that, but NONE of them even came close to being as brilliantly executed as Bret/Austin which is what keeps it on such a high level after all these years. The style of Flair/Steamboat might be seen on a much more regular basis today or whatever, but do any of them really begin to compare? Nope. THAT is what keeps classic matches classics. They do what they do better than other matches that try to do the same.
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Yup, although I kind of agree with that guy about Bret/Austin. Not because matches got more hardcore over the years though, WM 13 just never struck me as one of the best matches in company history. I should probably watch it again but every time I've seen it I thought it was a fantastic match but short of true top 10 WWE matches like Taker/Michaels in the Cell, Bret/Owen at Mania, HHH/Foley at the Rumble.
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Yup, although I kind of agree with that guy about Bret/Austin. Not because matches got more hardcore over the years though, WM 13 just never struck me as one of the best matches in company history. I should probably watch it again but every time I've seen it I thought it was a fantastic match but short of true top 10 WWE matches like Taker/Michaels in the Cell, Bret/Owen at Mania, HHH/Foley at the Rumble.
I also agree that it isn't THE best match in the company's history (though I ranked it at '#12 and it ended up placing #1 overall in the poll some of us did ) but its still an incredible match with a great build up and feud attached to it and the ever memorable finish as both an image (blood pouring down Austin's face before he passes out) and a huge moment in the company (Austin becoming a babyface while Bret turns heel at the same time which began imo the boom period for the WWF).
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The top 100 WWF/E Poll results looked like this:

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#100: Finlay v Chris Benoit - Smackdown!, 5/5/06 (154 points)



#99: Shawn Michaels v Chris Benoit - RAW, 5/3/04 (159 points)



#98: Eddie Guerrero v Rey Mysterio - Judgment Day, 5/22/05 (167 points)



#97: Edge v Matt Hardy (Cage Match) - Unforgiven, 9/18/05 (170 points)



#96: Rockers v Orient Express - Royal Rumble, 1/19/91 (174 points)



#95: Royal Rumble Match - Royal Rumble, 1/19/92 (178 points)



#94: Shawn Michaels, Chris Benoit, Mick Foley & Shelton Benjamin v HHH, Ric Flair, Randy Orton & Batista - RAW, 4/12/04 (179 points)



#93: Shawn Michaels & Steve Austin v Owen Hart & Davey Boy Smith - RAW, 5/26/97 (180 points; one top 20 vote)



#92: Edge v Mick Foley (Hardcore Match) - Wrestlemania 22, 4/2/06 (187 points)



#91: Edge v Undertaker (Hell in a Cell) - Summerslam, 8/17/08 (190 points; one top 20 vote)



#90: Shelton Benjamin v Chris Benoit v Chris Jericho v Kane v Christian v Edge (Money in the Bank Ladder Match) - Wrestlemania 21, 4/3/05 (194 points)



#89: Edge & Christian v The Hardy Boys v The Dudley Boys (TLC Match) - Summerslam, 8/27/00 (196 points; one top 10 vote)



#88: Shawn Michaels v Kurt Angle - Vengeance, 6/26/05 (197 points)



#87: Ric Flair v Randy Savage - Wrestlemania 8, 4/5/92 (200 points)



#86: Bret Hart v 123 Kid - RAW, 7/11/94 (201 points; one top 20 vote)



#85: The Rock v Brock Lesnar - Summerslam, 8/25/02 (204 points; one top 20 vote)



#84: Undertaker v Mankind - In Your House 15: Revenge of the Taker, 4/20/97 (205 points; one top 20 vote)



#83: Shawn Michaels v Chris Jericho (Ladder Match) - No Mercy, 10/5/08 (208 points)



#82: HHH v Batista v Chris Benoit v Chris Jericho v Edge v Randy Orton (Elimination Chamber) - New Year's Revolution, 1/9/05 (212 points)



#81: Bret Hart v Roddy Piper - Wrestlemania 8, 4/5/92 (211 points)



#80: Rockers v Brainbusters - MSG, 1/23/89 (214 points; one top 20 vote)



#79: Christian v Jack Swagger - ECW, 2/24/09 (218 points; one top 20 vote)



#78: Chris Benoit v William Regal - Velocity, 7/16/05 (221 points)



#77: Bob Backlund v Ken Patera (Texas Death Match) - MSG, 5/19/80 (232 points; one top 10 vote)



#76: Undertaker v Batista - Wrestlemania, 4/1/07 (235 points)



#75: Shawn Michaels v Bret Hart (Ironman Match) - Wrestlemania 12, 3/31/96 (240 points; one top 5 vote)



#74: John Cena v Shawn Michaels - RAW, 4/23/07 (243 points)



#73: John Cena v John Bradshaw Layfield (I Quit Match) - Judgment Day, 5/22/05 (247 points)



#72: The Rock v HHH - Backlash, 4/30/00 (248 points)



#71: Shawn Michaels v HHH (Street Fight) - Summerslam, 8/25/02 (251 points; one top 5 vote)



=#70: Bret Hart v Diesel - Royal Rumble, 1/22/95 (252 points; one top 20 vote)



=#70: Shawn Michaels v HHH - RAW, 12/29/03 (252 points)



#68: Royal Rumble Match - Royal Rumble, 1/21/01 (256 points; one top 10 vote)



#67: Edge v Undertaker - Wrestlemania 24, 3/30/08 (262 points)



#66: Bob Backlund v Adrian Adonis - MSG, 1/18/82 (263 points; one top 10 vote)



=#65: The Rock v Hollywood Hogan - Wrestleania 18, 3/18/02 (267 points; one top 10 vote)

=#65: Rey Mysterio v Chris Jericho - The Bash, 6/28/09 (267 points)



#63: Bret Hart v Davey Boy Smith - Summerslam, 8/29/92 (273 points; one top 20 vote)



#62: Kurt Angle v Brock Lesnar - Summerslam, 8/24/03 (274 points)



=#61: Shawn Michaels v Diesel (No Holds Barred Match) - In Your House 7: Good Friends, Better Enemies, 4/28/96 (278 points; one top 20 vote)

=#61: Steve Austin v HHH (3 Stages of Hell) - No Way Out, 2/25/01 (278 points; one top 5 vote; one top 10 vote)



#59: Bret Hart v Undertaker - One Night Only, 9/20/97 (283 points)



#58: The Rock v Chris Jericho - No Mercy, 10/21/01 (288 points)



#57: Undertaker v Kurt Angle - Smackdown!, 9/4/03 (292 points; one #3 vote)



=#56: Undertaker v Mankind (Hell in a Cell) - King of the Ring, 6/28/98 (295 points)

=#56: Shawn Michaels v Jeff Jarrett - In Your House 2: Lumberjacks, 7/23/95 (295 points)



#54: Bret Hart v Owen Hart (Cage Match) - Summerslam, 8/29/94 (298 points; one top 20 vote)



#53: The Rock v Steve Austin - Wrestlemania 19, 3/30/03 (309 points)



#52: The Rock v Undertaker v Kurt Angle - Vengeance, 7/21/02 (312 points)



#51: Cactus Jack, The Rock, Rikishi, Brian Christopher & Scott Taylor v HHH, X-Pac, Chris Benoit, Perry Saturn & Dean Malenko - RAW, 2/7/00 (318 points; one top 20 vote)



#50: HHH v Batista (Hell in a Cell) - Vengeance, 6/26/05 (322 points)



#49: Hardy Boys v Dudley Boys v Edge & Christian v Chris Jericho & Chris Benoit (TLC III) - Smackdown!, 5/23/01 (326 points)



#48: Ric Flair v HHH (Cage Match) - Taboo Tuesday, 11/1/05 (334 points; one top 10 vote)



#47: Bret Hart v Mr. Perfect - Summerslam, 8/26/91 (351 points)



#46: Bob Backlund v Sgt. Slaughter (Cage Match) - Philly Spectrum, 3/21/81 (363 points; two top 10 votes)



#45: Kurt Angle v Brock Lesnar (Ironman Match) - Smackdown!, 9/18/03 (364 points; one top 20 vote)



#44: Bob Backlund v Sgt. Slaughter - MSG, 1/10/81 (367 points; one top 5 vote; two top 20 votes)



#43: Randy Orton v Mick Foley (Hardcore Match) - Backlash, 4/18/04 (370 points)



#42: The Rock v HHH (Ironman Match) - Judgment Day, 5/21/00 (374 points)



#41: Bret Hart, Owen Hart, Brian Pillman, Jim Neidhart & Davey Boy Smith v Steve Austin, Goldust, Ken Shamrock, Hawk & Animal - In Your House 16: Canadian Stampede, 7/6/97 (376 points; one top 20 vote)



=#40: John Cena v Shawn Michaels - Wrestlemania 23, 4/1/07 (388 points; one top 20 vote)

=#40: Chris Benoit v William Regal - No Mercy, 10/8/06 (388 points; one top 20 vote)



#38: Shawn Michaels v Ric Flair - Wrestlemania 24, 3/30/08 (415 points)



#37: Shawn Michaels v Chris Jericho - Wrestlemania 19, 3/30/03 (420 points; two top 20 votes)



#36: Shawn Michaels v Razor Ramon (Ladder Match) - Summerslam, 8/27/95 (431 points; one top 20 vote)



#35: Bret Hart v Davey Boy Smith - In Your House 5: Season's Beatings, 12/17/95 (435 points)



#34: Bret Hart v Vader v Steve Austin v Undertaker - In Your House 13: Final Four 2/16/97 (440 points; one top 5 vote)



#33: Chris Benoit v Chris Jericho (Ladder Match) - Royal Rumble, 1/21/01 (474 points; one top 20 vote)



#32: Steve Austin v Dude Love - Over The Edge, 5/31/98 (480 points; one top 20 vote)



#31: HHH v Chris Jericho (Last Man Standing Match) - Fully Loaded, 7/23/00 (487 points; one top 20 vote)



#30: Chris Benoit & Kurt Angle v Edge & Rey Mysterio - No Mercy, 10/20/02 (495 points; one top 20 vote)



#29: Sgt. Slaughter v Iron Sheik (Boot Camp Match) - MSG, 6/16/84 (512 points; one #3 vote; two top 20 vote)



#28: Undertaker v Brock Lesnar (Hell in a Cell) - No Mercy, 10/20/02 (525 points; one top 10 vote; one top 20 vote)



#27: Chris Benoit v Kurt Angle - Royal Rumble, 1/19/03 (530 points; two top 10 votes)



#26: Shawn Michaels v Kurt Angle - Wrestlemania 21, 4/3/05 (534 points; three top 20 votes)



#25: John Cena v Umaga (Last Man Standing Match) - Royal Rumble, 1/28/07 (542 points; four top 20 votes)



#24: Chris Jericho & Chris Benoit v Steve Austin & HHH - RAW, 5/21/01 (547 points; one #1 vote; two top 20 votes)



#23: Owen Hart v Davey Boy Smith - RAW, 3/1/97 (590 points; one top 20 vote)



=#22: Ultimate Warrior v Randy Savage (Retirement Match) - Wrestlemania 7, 3/24/91 (594 points; two top 20 votes)


=#22: Bob Backlund v Greg Valentine - MSG, 2/19/79 (594 points; one #3 vote; one top 10 vote; two top 20 votes)



#20: Eddie Guerrero v Brock Lesnar - No Way Out, 2/15/04 (613 points; three top 20 votes)



#19: Shawn Michaels v Undertaker (Streak v Career Match) - Wrestlemania 26, 3/28/10 (621 points; two #2 votes; one top 20 vote)



#18: Eddie Guerrero v JBL - Judgment Day, 5/16/04 (635 points; one top 10 vote; one top 20 vote)



#17: The Undertaker v Kurt Angle - No Way Out, 2/19/06 (645 points; three top 20 votes)



#16: Steve Austin v Chris Benoit - Smackdown!, 5/31/01 (658 points; two top 20 votes)



#15: Shawn Michaels v Chris Benoit v HHH - Wrestlemania 20, 3/14/04 (665 points; one #3 vote; two top 10 votes; one top 20 vote)



#14: Finlay v Chris Benoit - Judgment Day, 5/21/06 (672 points; one top 10 vote; three top 20 votes)



#13: Randy Savage v Ricky Steamboat - Wrestlemania 3, 3/29/87 (690 points; two top 5 votes)



#12: Eddie Guerrero v Rey Mysterio - Smackdown!, 6/23/05 (692 points; one top 10 vote; four top 20 votes)



#11: Shawn Michaels v Razor Ramon (Ladder Match) - Wrestlemania, 3/20/94 (804 points; one top 5 vote; three top 10 votes)



#10: Bret Hart v Mr. Perfect - King of the Ring, 6/13/93 (886 points; one top 5 vote; three top 10 votes; one top 20 vote)



#9: Bret Hart v Steve Austin - Survivor Series, 11/17/96 (895 points; one top 5 vote; three top 10 votes; two top 20 votes)



#8: Shawn Michaels v Undertaker - Wrestlemania 25, 4/5/09 (920 points; one #2 vote; one #3 vote; one top 10 vote; two top 20 votes)



#7: HHH v Cactus Jack (Street Fight) - Royal Rumble, 1/23/00 (924 points; one #1 vote; one top 5 vote; one top 10 vote; four top 20 votes)



=#6: Bret Hart v Owen Hart - Wrestlemania X, 3/20/94 (1014 points; one #2 vote; four top 5 votes; one top 10 vote; two top 20 votes)

=#6: Steve Austin v Kurt Angle - Summerslam, 8/19/01 (1014 points; one # 1 vote; five top 10 votes; two top 20 votes)



#4: Steve Austin v The Rock - Wrestlemania 17, 4/1/01 (1030 points; one #1 vote; one #2 vote; two top 10 votes; three top 20 votes)



#3: Shawn Michaels v Mankind - In Your House 10: Mind Games, 9/22/96 (1096 points; one #2 vote; two #3 votes; one top 5 vote; two top 10 votes; two top 20 votes)



#2: Shawn Michaels v Undertaker (Hell in a Cell) - In Your House 18: Bad Blood, 10/5/97 (1172 points; four #1 votes; one #2 vote; one top 5 vote; one top 10 vote; one top 20 vote)



#1: Bret Hart v Steve Austin (Submission Match) - Wrestlemania 13, 3/23/97 (1198 points; one #1 vote; two # 2 votes; two #3 votes; one top 5 vote; two top 10 votes; one top 20 vote)


And we just finished up a WCW one last week too, and have started on a top 100 matches of the decade: 2000-2009 today .
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Yo KC, what do I have to do to become a part of this list ? I could whip one of those lists up in a week TOPS. I won't even fill it with random HHH matches... I promise
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A week? We spent an entire YEAR putting together a list. And then another for WCW.
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No, I mean as in I have a HUGEEE backlog of reviews here, mostly from 2000-present. The only issue with that, is that they are mostly PPV reviews. I have a majority of PPV's from 00-09 covered, but this obviously dosen't cover the VAST amount of TV matches that are out there.

So what would it be? Watching every match from 2000-2009 on both TV/PPV, not including random house show matches, or would it be more of a big list of fantastic TV/House show matches that could be distributed as required watching for those who were interested in putting together a list. However long it takes, I'm down with making a top 100.

The only thing I ask KC, is a list(dosen't matter how long, if it takes a year it takes a year) of required matches to watch so that I CAN make an efficient list. I SO want in on this.
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Taker/Michaels HIAC 1997 is the best match in WWE for me. It's wither that or Taker/Michaels WM 25 (Didn't really dig their match at 26 though). But damn I loved that HIAC match so much to me, it remains the best HIAC match in the company. I never really found Foley vs Taker to be that great outside of those 2 bumps I have the match only at ***3/4, which is still a good rating but Taker vs HBK is no doubt *****.

Oh yeah and I know the brawling style of Austin/Bret soon became the norm and even the norm on it's best night couldn't hold a candle compare to Austin/Bret but personally, the match just never really had that moment. I know a lot of people will cite Austin's pool of blood in the sharpshooter but like I said, how many times have I seen Austin in a pool of blood before watching it. The match is without a doubt a classic and will forever be one but I don't know why after 3 viewings I've never seen anything worthy enough to increase my rating of ****1/2.

The funny thing is though the more that i think of the match as I type and picture it in my head is the more I wanna say "Aww to hell with it *****" but I'm pretty sure if I go and look at it now, I'll be thinking "Nah ****1/2" as I have done in the past lol

I'm down for a list of the top 100 TV matches as well. Man, this thread has become my favourite in the last few months (but jeez is it dead), why the heck was I never posting in here from the day I joined?

BTW is that Backlund vs Valentine match from 1979, the hour match?
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Unfortunately we don't really know you well enough to invite you to join in on a poll. Nothing personal, but the people I do this with are a group of guys I've spent a good few years getting to know (in terms of their wrestling opinions/knowledge etc and personal stuff... though sometimes I wish I could remove some of the person stuff... choking cripple girls during sex? Argh...), and while I don't always agree with them (HIAC 97 is the greatest WWF/E Match ever Mike... bastard) I respect their opinions more than the average forum member and that makes doing these polls so much fun. What was I saying? Oh yeah, uhhh, sorry, can't join in . Nothing stopping you from doing it yourself though lol. Just a case of watching as much wrestling from 00-09 in any promotion and seeing what you like the best. That's what we'll be doing for the most part. Sometimes some of the best matches might be ones we've never seen or even heard of before so there isn't a definitive list of matches to watch before we get started or anything, we just dive into what we have access to and go from there.
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